Did JD Hayworth ever concede?

[Skidmore]

Just lost track of that one.

[rsmith6621]

1. Who Is.....

......JD Hayworth :sarcasm:

[Fridays Child]

2. ...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1112B1-talker1112.html

:hi:

[dorktv]

3. No, JD is not going to concede. And the difference is growing rather then

shrinking.

I called it at 1% up for Mitchell, looks like I will be wrong. :D

[kestrel91316]

4. Who knows? There's no LAW says anybody has to concede.

It's just a courteous signal about one's intentions and carries no legal weight in and of itself, IIRC.

[Coventina]

5. NO! And the AZ Republican party is trying to steal the election!!

Hayworth has been slowly gaining on Mitchell since election night, not enough to catch up, but there are serious issues here.

This issue is not about counting votes or not counting votes. The votes are being counted as we speak. Each day brings an updated tally.

The issues are:

Does Hayworth have a chance in hell of winning fairly?

Answer: NO!

He has been behind CONSISTENTLY by about 5700-6000 votes.

What is happening is that Maricopa county (one of the largest in the country) had about 250,000 early and provisional ballots dumped on them on election day. They all have to be hand-verified. (Once verified they are scanned optically).

Only about 25,000 votes can be hand-verified per day. This is why it is dragging on so long.

BUT! Only a SMALL proportion of those 250,000 ballots are from CD 5!!!

This means that Hayworth has to carry the remaining votes to be counted by AT LEAST a 2:1 margin. A NEAR STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY!!!!!!!

But the longer this race is held in "suspense" (which it isn't really) it builds plausibility for stealing it.

I DO NOT TRUST THE AZ SOS OR THE COUNTY RECORDER!!!!!!!! They are both Republicans who have CONSTANTLY said "it's too early to call" and "we can't know a winner yet"

This means one of TWO THINGS: either they are STUPID or they are trying to steal it for Hayworth!!!!!!!!!!

[dorktv]

6. Calm down, I just checked the county recorder's website, Harry's

lead is growing again.

[Coventina]

7. No it isn't!!!! Harry had a lead of 6000 it is now down to 5526!

5526 is LESS than 6000!

The lead has shrunk every day. I have been watching this LIKE A HAWK!

They are building plausibility for a "sudden" comeback!

The count is being done by Republican party operatives!!!!!!!!!

[dorktv]

9. *hands you some prozac*

I have been checking MY numbers everyday on there, and Harry is holding steady at over 5,000 votes up.

We knew this was going to be close so calm down. Panic on Wednesday instead.

[Coventina]

10. Why are you lying about this? And thanks for belittling my concern.

The race is not "close". The media and Republican operatives are the ones saying that.

Hayworth should not be able to catch up, but the longer this drags out, under Republican operatives...they are giving themselves room to cheat.

If you think they are playing fair, you need the mind-altering drugs, not me.

[dorktv]

11. The race was ALWAYS going to be close. Why? Because the district

was going to go for Harry but it was not going to go all out with everyone voting for Harry. WE may dislike JD Hayworth but none of the polls showed Harry up by more then a few points. 3 points up was the most I saw and the campaign ever saw. You can ask Kelly Ward if you do not believe me.

I am NOT lying about anything. Why would you call me a liar? Harry HAS been up for more then 5,000 since Election night. 6,000 is more then 5,000 right? Yes it is as you pointed out. So my statement was in fact accurate.

Saturday's lead was: 5,657. Today's lead is 5,526. So JD apparently gained 131 votes with the number of votes counted today. The day before? 23 votes.

Unless there is concrete proof that there is tampering going on, I would not throw that around.

[Coventina]

12. You said that Harry's lead was increasing.

Each day since election night it has DECREASED.

Do not try to tell me otherwise, I have checked the totals each day.

Granted, the increases have NOT been at the rate Hayworth needs to catch up, but that is not my primary concern.

READ MY INITIAL POST CAREFULLY.

If you know Arizona and Maricopa county well you know it is run by Republican party insiders.

They said from the start that the race couldn't be called for Mitchell.

Why would they say that? Statistically, Mitchell's lead should have given him a sure win.

But with all these delays, and by constant trumpeting of Hayworth's gains, which are played up by constantly by the local media, they are buying plausibility to steal it.

I am not afraid to accuse them of this, we KNOW the Republican party is only too happy to steal elections, this website was founded because of it!

on edit: punctuation

[Alexander]

13. Settle down, even the RNC has given up on Hayworthless.

It would be virtually impossible for him to come back at this point. Every major media outlet, nationally and locally, has now called it for Mitchell. Harry's even working on a transition now, and an RNC operative said the other day that they considered this race lost.

Yes, they steal elections, if and when they can. But Diebold isn't used in Maricopa County, and the ballots in question are provisional and early ballots - Hayworthless just hopes he'll get some miracle out of the 200,000 votes in total (not all of which are in Maricopa County, and even fewer in CD-05).

Besides, think of the PR aspect. It's been nearly a week now, and after a week or more of everyone and their mother calling the race for Harry, don't you think the voters here might get just a little suspicious if all of a sudden it's a Hayworthless win?

If Hayworth pulls ahead I will be the first to eat crow and give you a well-deserved round of applause, in addition to protesting, petitioning and otherwise raising concerns about the vote count. But unless and until that increasingly unlikely scenario happens (still a 5,000+ difference, last I checked), take a chill pill.

[Coventina]

15. Wow. So you think Jan Brewer and Helen Purcell can be trusted?

Okay. I am silenced.

[Alexander]

16. No. Nice straw man argument.

What I do think is that Hayworthless, after about half or more of the outstanding votes counted, hasn't even whittled down Harry's lead to less than 5,500 votes. He'd have a lot of catching up to do and frankly the numbers are less in his favor with each passing day.

That is, if you actually care about what I have to say. You seem to be enjoying the straw man arguments at the moment.

[Coventina]

17. How is that a straw man? That has been my point all along!

I DO NOT TRUST THE PEOPLE COUNTING THESE BALLOTS!

[Alexander]

18. Just because you don't trust them doesn't mean they'll rig it.

1) Kenneth Blackwell is an infinitely shadier dude, trying every trick in the book to rig elections up and down, yet he didn't even rig his own election for Governor. I think most of the Republican powers-that-be realize that the jig is up, and everyday people are focusing on transparent and honest elections this year.

2) Races in Maricopa County which almost always go Republican have gone Democratic this year, like Kyrene Constable, and we did win a few seats in the state legislature. If Purcell and Brewer's intent is to rig elections, they certainly did a poor job with all the other races.

3) Even if their intent is to rig it, it is botched at best. For the better part of a week the race has been called for Harry by the AP, and an official from the NRCC has already conceded this race.

GOP Spokesman: Hayworth Lost Race

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1110az-5thdistrict10-ON.html

"NRCC Communications Director Carl Forti told Republicans in an e-mail that Hayworth and several other GOP incumbents wouldn’t be returning to Congress."

It would, IMHO, be mighty suspicious if the results showed a stunning turnaround, after a week of counting these votes with only a very tiny change in the results.

4) If you provide good solid evidence of vote stealing instead of TYPING IN ALL CAPS and hysterics, maybe people would be more likely to listen to what you have to say.

[Coventina]

19. Believe me, I sincerely hope that you are right and I am wrong.

I went to bed Tuesday night assured of a Mitchell win, only to wake up and find that Hayworth and the SOS & county recorder constantly were repeating: "It's too early", "The race shouldn't be called yet", etc.

These people are slime & I cannot rest easily while this thing is still allegedly "up in the air".

It's why I'm awake & on DU at 2:30 am!!!

[dorktv]

21. Can you cite a case where Helen Purcell's office ever threw an

election?

[dorktv]

20. I made a mistake. He lead was not increasing and I thought so because

I suck at adding/subtracting in my head.

That STILL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF ARIZONA IS GOING TO BE STEALING THIS ELECTION.

If that was the case then Meg, Ed, David would have lost to Rose, Laura and Dale.

[KittyWampus]

8. somehow your thread title has me laughing...

[Shakespeare]

14. He's starting to remind me of one of those WWII Japanese war vets...

...who went into hiding during the war and never realized it ended. They were finding those guys fairly regularly for decades after the end of the war.

[dorktv]

22. Just checked the updated results: 5817 by my calculator.

Which means his lead is increasing or maybe my calculator sucks.

[Coventina]

23. Yes, today Harry's lead increased for the first time. Thank God/dess.

And, for the first time I feel a little more confidence that maybe the count will be done honestly.

But after Florida 2000 I will NEVER have implicit faith in ANY Republican-counted election.

[dorktv]

24. eh, that is Florida, from what I understand things are nutty out there

regardless of who is in charge.

[AZBlue]

25. Of course not.

He's such an ass.