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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:46 AM Original message |
Poll question: Is is sexist/racist to keep electing white men as President - or is it just "normal"? |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. LoL |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. If you want to give a nuanced response - you are welcome to do that. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. According to the Tradesports odds... |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Those are pretty good odds. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Bullshit. The last election CLEARLY illustrates the difference between... |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Thank you for those insights (nt) |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. Hell you wore this topic out over the weekend. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. That's your opinion. It looked like from that thread.... |
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Don_1967 (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
6. What would you suggest not to let white men |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I've never said anything about not "letting" white men run. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
36. It's not the voters. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. That's a good post. |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
68. Bingo. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
7. It's not sexist and racist as such that white male presidents keep getting elected |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
10. "Normal"? What is that? |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. As a "battle that must be waged" we ought to be waging it. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. All such battles must be waged with information |
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bling bling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
78. Other countries have women leaders, for example. Why can't we? n/t |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Those countries have different histories with different populations |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I actually think that if we are going to do it - we better hurry up |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I'm not selling us short -- and I'm not arguing against it -- I'm stating facts |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
92. oh, yay, ev psych. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. If you're going to dispute the argument, please do so n/t |
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Kelly Rupert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
11. I think it's pretty obvious that's going to happen |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I don't think that there has to be a "cabal, caste, or code" |
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bling bling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
81. I think you're right. |
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RethugAssKicker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
13. It is accepted Racism which is Normal here in America. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Some people accept it as accepted and some people don't. nt |
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RethugAssKicker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #20 |
33. My point !.. of which I don't. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
14. It's a reflection of folk's confidence in white males |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Remember they always used MEN as announcers for BRA commercials... |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. Yes to both answers. |
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johnnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
16. I've also noticed that they haven't elected a short person either |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. GWB is the first shorter candidate elected in decades. nt |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
18. It is an extension of racism and sexism |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. "white men are the people who always get put in that position" |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
19. I'll vote for the person I think is best |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
22. I think it's just a coincidence that white males are the most qualified |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. And I would like for more people to be more conscious. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Now that they're not "allowed" to be racist/sexist anymore, white men... |
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bling bling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #26 |
83. I don't know about that. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. LOL! "turn off white males" - gee, that would be soooo different from status quo. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. The complicating factor is this - I don't want Hilary to run for President |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Well, into the 70s many "elite" schools excluded women. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Well exactly. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. It's our cultural default. We need to work on changing that. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
31. The system is racist and sexist (and classist). It's institutionalized. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. but, isn't that what's been happening for centuries? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Yes, how is intentionally doing it wrong again any better? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. well...why not? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Is electing a woman, say, who isn't the best for the job better... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. i think that perfectly explains the status quo |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Yeah, I have a problem with most qualified not being most electable. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. At this point, I would vote for a lack of "qualifications" |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Right, I make a distinction between electability and being qualified. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. The reason local government is so much better, in general, |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
34. it is a reflections of society's racism and sexism and homophobia |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
38. it is a norm |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:33 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Natural? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. no, it's is perceived and accepted as a natural state |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
41. It's a sexist, racist norm. |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
44. My response isn't there |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. But is the driving force behind it being normal sexist or racist? |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. For some it's a sexist and/or racist decision |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
47. Its not normal |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
51. Why do you assume race and gender of voters is supposed to |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. I didn't say I assumed that. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Why do you assume women would vote for a female candidate just |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. That's not what I wrote. |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
52. 24% accept this??!! un-freaking-believable. nt |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #52 |
80. down to 20% but STILL! JEEBUS!!! |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. It would be interesting to know |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
53. Neither - it's a result of secondary discrimination, so it's not something to accept, but not |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
58. Good Lord, of course it's racist/sexist |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. "I will NOT vote for a Repuke woman or minority" |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
60. It's what works? |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It's so sad |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
61. Looking at how I worded the OP... |
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union_maid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
63. It's the winner take all system |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. "that one person has to have the kind of across the board appeal" |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
69. Wasn't one thread about this topic enough? |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
76. This topic does seem to make some people uncomfortable. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Yes, it does. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
71. It's a sad reflection of our society. |
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Moloch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
72. Obama '08! |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
73. As a white man, I'd have to say that it is. |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
74. No, its sexist/racist not to vote for a person because of their race/sex |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-13-06 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
75. White men are just naturally capable of doing a better job, that's all. |
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mesobob (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
77. Would it be sexist racist to BAN white men from running for president? |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. For those with any doubts... |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
86. It's only racist if you scream racial slurs as you vote. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
90. If I had my way, |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-14-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I'd vote that ticket...! |
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