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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 11:04 AM
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Poll question: POLL: Will the Dems peg minimum wage increases to inflation or congressional salary raises or none?
Honestly, if this had been done decades ago, say, in 1968 when the minimum wage, adjusted for inflation, was over 8 dollars/hour, the highest it ever was before inflation started eating it away, we wouldn't be pressed with such a fundamental issue of how much the least among us should be paid.

There are, in my mind, two competing standards which we could peg the minimum wage to. The first being to peg it to inflation so that it floats upward with inflation. This has the effect of essentially ensuring that the value of an hour's work for the poorest workers does not decrease but remains constant in value. I am operating on the assumption that inflation drives wages, and if we look at the last 9 years, it really has (wages have not kept up with inflation, so the argument that wages drive inflation doesn't strike me as true, especially in the last six years), and I operate on the assumption that the yearly decrease in the value of each individual dollar is due 90 percent to fractional reserve banking, not the wages of workers.

The other standard, of course, is to peg it to salary increases that Congress loves to give itself. The logic being that if the highest representatives and the most powerful senators in the land should get a raise, then so too should the humblest of workers among us. This can cut both ways. If Congress gets a little too greedy, they will give themselves raises at a rate higher than the rate of inflation. This would actually have the effect of increasing the wages of the lowest workers above and beyond the rate of inflation. This might end up being good for the economy, as it translates into increased purchasing power, increased consumer confidence, which would lead to increased sales, which means firms would need to hire more workers to deal with increased demand for goods and services, which means lower unemployment.

However, if, for example, the Repubs gain control in the future (it's a statistical liklihood the longer the timeframe), they are likely not to give themselves any raises at all if it means they can spite the workers. Afterall, if you're making 150,000+ in yearly salary for being a Congressman, it's not going to hurt if you don't give yourself a raise for 10 years or even longer (but it most certainly hurts the lowest paid workers), especially since most Congressmen derive most of their income outside of office anyway (like with stocks and dividends). That might end up doing the exact opposite to the economy as inflation automatically eats up the purchasing power of workers as a result, which translates into a more stagnant economy when one looks at it, like what we have now where only a few are really benefitting while those in the middle barely hold ground and the poorest slip further behind.

So what will the Dems do when they assume power in both chambers of Congress?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 11:07 AM
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1. I posted that I would like it indexed to Congressional raises...
IMHO if the economy is SOOOOO bad that Congress feels that a min. wage increase that year would really hurt the economy then they should be willing to give up their raise for that year
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 11:07 AM
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2. i dont know what they will, but they should peg both congressional salaries
and the min wage to the inflation rate as well as increase the minimum wage significantly.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 11:44 AM
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3. Either way it will not matter. The elderly can tell you that the nice
little raise we get tied to inflation is gone before we get to use it. For many the raise is eliminated by the raise in the medicare premium and in the rent for subsidized housing. For the working poor the raise in the minimum wage will push many over the limits for food stamps, health care, housing subsidies and free lunches at school for their children.

Example: You are eligible for health care because you make less than $700 a month. When wages are raised you are making $715 a month and you lose health care that pays for you epilepsy medication and visits to you neurologist to monitor these drugs in you system. You are not better off - you will not be able to pay for your drugs so you may even lose your job.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 11:48 AM
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4. So we should not raise the minimum wage until we address all that first?
Should we attempt to pass something such as Medicare For All Act and reform health care, food stamp program, housing subsidies, and the free lunch program first before tackling minimum wage?
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 12:07 PM
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5. No, but we could ask for the ceiling in those programs to be raised.
Edited on Mon Nov-13-06 12:09 PM by jwirr
That would be a real help to the working poor. I know because without some kind of action they are not going to see this as "help". It could easily backfire on the Dems when it appears that things are just getting worse. If you have a chance listen to seniors talk about their great cola raise. We all know that we are not getting a raise and believe me we do not thank any party for the fact that we get this "raise" only because it is attached to government workers getting a raise. I wonder if they take the SCOTUS raises to pay for housing, food and health care? No, they get real raises.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 12:11 PM
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6. How about a minimum wage equal to 20 first class postage stamps??
:evilgrin:
After all, should anyone have to work more than an hour to just to pay the postage for 20 monthly bill payments??






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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 12:14 PM
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7. Option #1, They will pass a meaningless increase spread out over
such a period of time that it will have zero net effect on those it claims to help. They certainly will not tie it to anything as it is the fig leaf they will use to hide their naked supplication to our corporate masters.

Out here in the world, burger joints are already paying $2 an hour more than the highest proposed increase, and that is to take two years or more to kick in. Big help.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 08:50 PM
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8. kick n/t
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-13-06 08:52 PM
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9. It's going to be pegged to nothing. It's going to be straight increase.
No way the Democrats give up this issue.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 10:07 AM
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10. Gonna kick this again for more votes
So far, the results don't seem to show much optimism about pegging the minimum wage to any reliable barometer.
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