Freepers finally discussing "fake anthrax" mailer arrest...

[Rosalind]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1737859/posts

Some responses:

Very confused and hope this is wrong. Of course this IS the musings of DU and Kos.

3 posted on 11/13/2006 10:22:50 AM PST by Southerngl
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This should put to the test the theory that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

23 posted on 11/13/2006 11:49:46 AM PST by babble-on
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Folks can be 'convinced' about a lot of things that are not necessarily true. Where's the proof?
27 posted on 11/13/2006 11:53:43 AM PST by SuziQ
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Well, the passages they cite are pretty damning.

Whether he's a Freeper or not, let's hope he's prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
28 posted on 11/13/2006 11:53:45 AM PST by NittanyLion
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I don't believe a freeper would do this.

38 posted on 11/13/2006 12:06:45 PM PST by MontanaBeth (Never forget)
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[ThomCat]

1. You just know they're going to deny, deny, deny

and when that doesn't work they'll concoct a fake story and stick with it unto death. :eyes:

Somehow, when all is said and done (much said, very little done) they'll be convinced that DUers are setting up a conspiracy to smear Freeperville.

[yellowdogmi]

57. As evidence

To: mucho muchacho

So what? It's a free site with open registration (open as long as you don't post anything contrary to the prevailing dogma). They want us to believe that DU and other lefty sites don't have any nutbag posters?

104 posted on 11/13/2006 1:49:21 PM PST by Scutter



Open as long as you don't post anything contrary to the prevailing dogma.
:wtf:

Oh yeah we have nutbag posters.. most of them are freep trolls. but yeah we have nutbag posters.

[Beetwasher]

2. "I don't believe a freeper would do this."

:rofl:

[Hugin]

5. Double.

:rofl:

[Marr]

7. Who ELSE would do this? I swear-

the first time I heard this story I thought, "he's a loser, probably a 40-50 year old Rush Limbaugh/Fox News/Freeper sort". I think that's what we all thought.

"I don't believe a freeper would do this"... Hahaha!

[symbolman]

56. Their proper term for this would be

"he's probably a LOOSER.." :)

THey are SCREWN on this, and it's going to get worse before it gets better..

I think all of the DU'rs who ever had their Lives THREATENED (and I have) by them needs to send the FBI any PDF's or Screen Shots of the Occurance, to let the FBI KNOW what that group is Capable of.

Maybe Rimjob may end up spending a little time with the Brain Trusts in Prison.. :)

[movonne]

41. It must have been a liberal to get sympathy

[tlsmith1963]

49. Oh, They *Would* Do This

Remember the militias in the '90s? They would do it in a heartbeat. There are some real nutcases on the far-Right.

[Hugin]

3. "I don't believe a freeper would do this."

And yet you believe in Karl Rove's Innocence, WMD in Iraq, and the Tooth Fairy?!?!?!

:rofl:

[Arkana]

4. ...

Folks can be 'convinced' about a lot of things that are not necessarily true. Where's the proof?

:rofl:

What in HELL do you think your whole neocon bubble-boy world is all about, dipshit?

[Marnieworld]

12. I wish they applied this logic during the runup to the war

Where was the proof indeed?

[annabanana]

6. (pleased to see that NittanyLion, at least

is willing to see him prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law)

[Mythsaje]

8. Well, of course a Freeper would do that...

I mean, wasn't Tim McVeigh pure Freeper in his heart of hearts?

Hatred is a poison, and they have more than their fair share.

[clichemoth]

55. I have seen RW militia types claim...

that Tim McVeigh was "some kind of Communist or something". This is the same sort of logic that says Richard Armitage was a "Clinton Democrat" and a "Bush hater" and that CNN is "pro-terrorist".

[Hav]

9. .

It's funny how they try to say that it could be a DUer or a dem operative...yeah that makes so much sense! A Dem would mail these letters to Democrats to scare them, right? Fking idiots..

[Bark Bark Bark]

10. "It Was A Prank! No, Really!"

The "prank" excuse is flying about at Freeptardia, from what I'm hearing. Good luck with that, fellas!

[bullwinkle428]

32. They learn that "prank" crap quite well from their demigod, El Drugbo!

"Abu Ghraib was nothing more than a mere fraternity prank...haw-haw-haw!" :puke:

[radfringe]

11. if anyone has a freeper account

and copies of the postings indicating it is the one and the same freeper
-- now would be the time to post it over there

[yellowdogmi]

35. Done

:popcorn:

Just sit back and watch the melt down. I have an account over there to wreak havoc. Barely used it. now it is coming in handy. If you want to share in this fun here you go.

Thank you for registering with Free Republic.

Your screen name is: blueslover

Your password is: esheph

[survivor999]

13. Fascism is OK, only if OTHERS go to jail....

That's the Freeper mentality.

[slaveplanet]

14. classic

To: mucho muchacho

Wow. This was quick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freerepublic

48 posted on 11/13/2006 12:18:25 PM PST by Pest (Attorneys are the larval form of politicians!)
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on Wiki:

Death Threat Poster Controversy

Controversy erupted on November 13, 2006 when it was revealed that a member of the Free Republic forums had been sending death threats to Jon Stewart, Nancy Pelosi, David Letterman and Chuck Schumer. The site administrator subsequently shut down the forums for a period of a half hour and erased all postings made by the poster and deleted several threads discussing the topic.

* Original complaint against Andy Stephenson
* The Stalking of Andy Stephenson by Beth Ferrari
* Seattle Weekly: "A Fight To The End"
* Seattle Weekly: "Internet Martyr - The life and cruel death of Andy Stephenson."

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Seems they don't appreciate Mucho Muchacho's bang up reporting over there:

To: mucho muchacho

mucho muchacho aka good god, Lee_Marvin, h8in08, HoleInTen, BigInJapan, glossolalia, et al banned.

47 posted on 11/13/2006 12:17:57 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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[slaveplanet]

58. OMG, is the Wiki page

a thing of beauty or what?

The Freeps are not amused:
To: All

I don't know if the FR article over a Wikipedia is locked or if I am blocked, because I can't seem to edit the article and remove the garbage that's up there now.

133 posted on 11/13/2006 2:35:47 PM PST by RWR8189 (Mike Pence for Minority Leader)
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Death Threat Poster Allegations

Controversy erupted on November 13, 2006 when it was alleged that a member of the Free Republic forums had been sending death threats to Jon Stewart, Nancy Pelosi, David Letterman and Chuck Schumer. The site administrator allegedly shut down the forums for a period of a half hour to erase all postings made by the poster and to delete several threads discussing the topic.

* Original complaint against Andy Stephenson
* The Stalking of Andy Stephenson by Beth Ferrari
* Seattle Weekly: "A Fight To The End"
* Seattle Weekly: "Internet Martyr - The life and cruel death of Andy Stephenson."

Free Republic Contributor Linked to Keith Olbermann Fake Anthrax Letter

FBI investigators identified Chad Castagana, 39, of Woodland Hills, California, as having sent as having sent more than a dozen threatening letters to media outlets, newscasters, and public figures such as Jon Stewart, David Letterman, Rep. Nancy Pelosi future House Speaker, Chuck Schumer of New York, one of which contained a white powder substance to MSNBC's Keith Olbermann.<1><2><3>

Castagana, has reputedly been linked to "Marc Costanzo<4>", user of Free Republic, whose bio states:

Free Republic
I am a lifelong Conservative Republican .

I have an Associates Degree in the Science of Electronics .

Ann Coulter is a Goddess and I worship Laura Ingraham and Michele Malkin .

English is the langauge of the United States of America- - our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution are written in the langauge that expresses our civilized freedoms .

Spanish is the language of Banana Republics, beyond that it belongs in a European country.


Free Republic

Just weeks before the Olbermann letter, Costanzo wrote:

"This partisan loudmouth Olbermann is a demagogue! Someone should find out where he lives and mail him a Ted Kazcinski letter."<5>

After the Keith Olbermann letter, Costanzo wrote: "Not to make light of the situation, but drama queen Olbermann put on quite a production even after he'd been told the powder was harmless and checked out by doctors and told he was fine. He demanded that he be rushed to the hospital for more tests. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he mailed it to himself. I've never seen someone more desperate for attention and approval. I heard from a liberal blog that Olbermann was a prima donna at the hospital, giving the medical staff and the cops a hard time. Keith is a whiny little b@tch! Accepting that, I do not believe he sent it to himself. But that is just guess work."<6>

A letter which was posted on the Science Fiction Weekly web site, their August 26, 2002 issue, Costagana wrote: "The future is not the current events of our world thrown into outer space. The future is not with the Liberals, not with the Multiculturalists (both hate America), and it is certainly not to be found in Canada! The future is not written, the future is unformed."<7>

Four years later Marc Costanzo wrote on Free Republic:

"Let us create a future of infinite possibilities devoid of the agenda of the social engineers who work their corruption on us thru the one way world of television. A world where anything is possible, but not everything is possible. Anything can happen, but not all things can happen at once. That is what 'Time' is for, to keep all things from happening at the same moment. That shall be the only rule of our new fantasy world. That an event happens only once. What has been done, cannot be undone. There is no turning back the sands of time. You can review the past but you cannot change the past. That a vision of a possible future - to the present, must be taken in the context of the present. A Cosmos not governed by compassion or tolerance or equality, but common sense and merit. A Universe of strange and totally new lifeforms and not distorted reflections of human characters, just to make some social allegory ---- THAT is the insipid barren road of Political Correctness that Sci-fi entertainment has been a slave to for so many years. The future is not the current events of our world thrown into Outer Space. The future is not with the Liberals, not with the Multiculturalists (both hate America), and it is certainly not to be found in some cheapo TV production made in Canada! The future is not written, the future is unformed."

In a Free Republic posting, "Costanzo" reveals that he hails from Woodland Hills, California, the same site as the future arrest of Chad Castagana.<8>

After the Chuck Schumer letter, Costanzo wrote: "Hold it here now, what are the facts? The links provide few details. This info is very sketchy!"<9>

When the Washington Post recieved it's letter, Costanzo responded: "I heard recently that The Washington Post got interrupted beifly the other day becaue of a 'suspicious letter'. I read about this at Wonkette.com They said that this letter only contained harmless powder of Boric Acid."<10>

Many have linked "Costanzo's" "I have an Associate's Degree in the Science of Electronics" and Castagana's web history<11> <12> <13> indicating a strong interest in the subject.

Liberal blogs, including Daily Kos, have now uncovered numerous aliases.<33>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freerepublic

[stop the bleeding]

15. logical statement here:

Whether he's a Freeper or not, let's hope he's prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I can not believe it but there is at least one thing we can agree on

[madmusic]

16. Filling the prisons is always great.

Even if they have to eat their own to do it.

[morgan2]

18. eh I disagree

while what he did should be a crime, I'm sure he's gonna be getting like 20 years in jail. 20 years in jail for mailing people letters filled with non harmful substances? Seems kinda ridiculous to me. I find it hilarious its happening to such a hateful person, but he really didnt do anything that bad. Maybe on par with calling in a fake bomb threat, which should be a crime but I'm sure the punishment is gonna be excessive.

[stop the bleeding]

25. I disagree - whether the outcome was harmful or not the law has a

sticky little problem with something called intent.

as if you buy crack and find out that it is actually soap - you will still get charged with intent to possess/buy/deliver said crack. Just like the person who sold you the soap will get charged with the same crime - maybe worded slightly different depending if you are giving or receiving.


INTENT is a pretty big part of our legal system in the grand ole US of A

[morgan2]

29. ya but he didnt have the intent to harm anyone

just to scare them. Its like the difference between shooting a bullet at someone or shooting a blank. One is intended to scare, the other kill. Now shooting a blank at someone may be wreckless and stupid, but it shouldnt be the same penalty as trying to kill someone.

[Minnesota_Lib]

33. Yup, he wanted to terrorize them regardless of intent to harm...

..which makes him a terrorist.

[morgan2]

37. so a schoolyard bully means to terrorize people

that doesn't mean he should be locked up for life. Sorry the guys actions were idiotic and childish, but going to jail for his life cause he ruined a couple famous peoples day is a bit of an over kill.

[Minnesota_Lib]

60. I was pointing out a bit of irony. Sorry I was not clearer. Now, can you...

..show me where I said he should go to jail for life.

Waiting on pins and needles.

[Lance_Boyle]

36. intent to scare,

intent to sow terror... what's the difference?

[blondeatlast]

38. Suppose that mysterious powder were mailed to you? the Feds EXPECT

to be notified and absolutely should be.

The feds have made it clear they expect such things to be reported. The local police, the FBI, the Postal Service, the ATF, all must investigate at taxpayer expense.

Such a harmless little prank? BULLSHIT.

BTW, I work in a government office and remember well post 9/11 and anthrax precautions regarding mail. Yes, we did have to call about one incidence even though it turned out to be nothing of substance, there was a threat attached.

[morgan2]

43. so charge the guy for the tax payer expense

I'm not saying its not a crime, I'm saying its not on par with being a member of al qaida or plotting to blow up a building.

[blondeatlast]

46. Read up on criminal intent and get back to me in a week or so.

It's absolutley on a par with those--the intent is the same.

[morgan2]

47. Im not arguing what the law is

I'm arguing what I think it should be.

[blondeatlast]

51. But it isn't--and besides; the law is only concerned with the outcome

regardless whether a "harmless prank" or intent to terrorize. The results are exactly the same.

[stop the bleeding]

40. that is why we have prosecutors, jurors and judges to decide

what was intended and what actually did harm to the victims.

Intent can and is prosecuted on a daily basis- the penalty will not be a stiff as a harming someone will/would be, but intent still carries a penalty no less, even when people are not harmed.

[pauliedangerously]

34. I agree with your disagreement...

As far as I'm concerned, that kind of crime is on par with first degree murder because both are meant to hurt. One of the greatest benefits of living in a civilized nation is to be able to live without intimidation. Mean people suck and they should be punished severely.

[txindy]

39. He sent death threats and included a substance that made people fear for their lives.

This is much worse than calling in a bomb threat (and that, itself, is heinous and unforgivable). And he used the US mail to do it - that's a federal crime. It's the act of a terrorist and has been recognized as such, which is why the agency informed is one that deals with terrorism.

[Old and In the Way]

48. If you get a letter with some powdery substance in it and maybe your

kid opens it and gets it all over him/her....let us know how you feel then. Or maybe someone will pull a gun on you and shoot you...with a blank. Or torch off a cross on your lawn. No one's been harmed, it's all a harmless prank.

I can't believe you could rationalize an act of terror as not 'doing anything that bad'.

[blondeatlast]

52. "Intent" is lost on morgan2, it appears. nt

[morgan2]

53. I never said harmless

my point is sending fake anthrax is not as bad as sending real anthrax.

[Marr]

54. As if he's got anything better to do.

To quote the morons themselves, "rule of law- rule of law".

[slaveplanet]

17. They still buying Radar's

mistake that he was a du poster.


To: Petronski

I tried looking - but am not a member of DU, so don't have access to search (?) I can't figure out to search there... The ONLY thing I saw was that article (Radar?) that I posted - over at DU, they're so stupid, they are saying FR is down, yet I've been posting/reading here for last few hours...

69 posted on 11/13/2006 12:47:44 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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A frequent commentor on Democratic Underground, Castagna was also a regular on the right-wing message board Free Republic under the nom de rant, Marc Costanzo.

Provocature, playing both ends against the middle?

Pretty easy to do given the climate.
70 posted on 11/13/2006 12:49:15 PM PST by metesky (My investment portfolio is holding steady @ .05? a can.)
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Hey Freeps, EarlG is on the case....no soup for you! :rofl:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2705763#2706348

[madmusic]

24. So a Freeptard posted that HERE?

The ONLY thing I saw was that article (Radar?) that I posted - over at DU

Isn't that what he's saying?

[blogslut]

19. Here's an interesting post

To: PghBaldy

I've sometimes read Daily Kos & DU, and have called/emailed authorities (Secret Service) on some DU posts.

36 posted on 11/13/2006 12:03:12 PM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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[madmusic]

21. And he talks to himself, so was ignored. n/t

[blogslut]

27. lol, yeah

Gad I hate flatboards like that POS site. My head hurts from reading it.

[NorthernSpy]

20. Calling foul! They're misquoting the article at radaronline (about DU!)...

Freeper version (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1737859/posts -- post #14, by PghBaldy):

A frequent commentor on Democratic Underground, Castagna was also a regular on the right-wing message board Free Republic under the nom de rant, Marc Costanzo.

What the article actually says:

More about Castagna came out via a commentor on Democratic Underground, who pointed out Castagna was also a regular on the right-wing message board Free Republic under the nom de rant, Marc Costanzo.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2006/11/even-more-on-pelosis-powder-stalker.php


Gee... how's THAT for creative editing?


:eyes:

[morgan2]

22. the article was incorrect at first

reflecting what was posted at freerepublic, it seems radar has corrected the sentence.

[NorthernSpy]

30. have the freepers acknowledged the correction yet, I hope?

When I read the thread, they were busy making much of this tidbit of possibly unintentional disinfo.

'Cause that guy was NOT one of us! If he ever came here, it was as a troll.


:grr:



(edit: supplied missing word)

[underpants]

28. Thanks. I had noticed that and was wondering if I had misread it

I went searching through the link above that only to find nothing. Seems that they just completely changed the actual facts (wonder where they go that from).

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

23. "I don't believe a freeper would do this."

I don't believe anyone other than a freeper would do that.

Morans.

[madmusic]

26. There are evil people in the world,

like Freepers.

[RadiDem]

63. I remember when they debated what kind of rifle would be best to shoot Martin Sheen with

Freepers = Terrorists

[yellowdogmi]

31. They are painting it differently.

To: mucho muchacho; Jim Robinson

Radar comes right and SAYS they are they same person (with no proof besides the rantings of the lefties at Wonkette via DU & Kos): http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2006/11/even-more-on-pelosis-powder-stalker.php

"A frequent commentor on Democratic Underground, Castagna was also a regular on the right-wing message board Free Republic under the nom de rant, Marc Costanzo."

14 posted on 11/13/2006 11:38:30 AM PST by PghBaldy (Reporter: Are you surprised? Nancy Pelosi: No. My eyes always look like this.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1737859/posts

[Minnesota_Lib]

42. LOL..I was checking out some of the terrorist's posts. Look at his sig...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1729021/posts?page=15#15

15 posted on 10/31/2006 5:09:56 AM PST by marc costanzo (Name your poison :-))


"Name your poison." He was sending a hint, it seems.

[Rosalind]

44. Well, I think it's official that Chad was a Freeper...

http://www.freerepublic.com/~marccostanzo/

"This account has been banned or suspended."

[morgan2]

45. JimRob denounces Chad

To: trisham

Turns out marc costanzo was also a retread troll.

108 posted on 11/13/2006 1:53:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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[Bluebear]

59. Mmm-hmm JimRob

:eyes:

[blondeatlast]

64. I noticed that too. Interesting. nt

[leftofthedial]

50. "I don't believe a freeper would do this."

I don't believe ANYONE BUT a freeper would do this.

[Geek_Girl]

61. It seems Freeper ville Brews Home grown terrorist

nt

[ContraBass Black]

62. "This should put to the test the theory that there is no such thing as bad publicity."

:wtf: