Is anyone else here angry and disgusted that Howard Dean hasn't

[caledesi]

been given more credit for our win?

I am watching Tweety and the discussion is Murtha or Hoyer as Majority leader...

Hello? When Dean ran for president, he was the ONLY one who said Iraq was a mistake and predicted this outcome. And I went to many house parties for him and actually heard him on the phone talking to our "party" then (2004) about the 50-state strategy.

Well, how come he isn't mentioned? They talked on Tweety about Rahm and ____ winning the election. There was not one mention of Howard Dean. Oh, and on Bill Maher, when he was interviewing Rahm E, Rahm tepidly thanked Dean. Hey, I know there were differences between them, but comeon, we won bec of the emphasis on Iraq, but it was the 50-state strategy that got us to where we are. The point was to overwhelm the rethugs so they could not STEAL the election. When you have elections on all levels (thanks to Dean again), there were 345 places the rethugs would have to try to steal; they couldn't. Personally, I think the 50-state strategy should be on everyone's lips.

I can understand Murtha for Majority Leader as a Marine vet and speaking out against the war in the beginning, but again HD mentioned this BEFORE him. I realize Murtha has more clout than Dean and already a Congressman, but at least HD could be mentioned.

I love HD.

[survivor999]

1. Well, according to the Kerry fans....

Kerry said it first. BWAHAHAHAHAAH!

>>
When Dean ran for president, he was the ONLY one who said Iraq was a mistake and predicted this outcome.

[lcordero2]

2. ????????

Kucinich knew when he voted and that's why he voted NAY.

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[Mass]

3. Kucinich said it first. Sorry.

And your attacks on Kerry are just ludicrous.

[caledesi]

6. I stand corrected. Now I do remember Kucinich and how he didn't

voted for the war. Did Kerry? I think he did vote for the war. Anyone?

[Mass]

8. He voted for the IWR, yes.

This part of my answer was directed to survivor999.

As for Dean, he clearly got cheated by the media, but this does not surprise me, unfortunately. They have decided this is a victory of the Conservative Democrats) and are busy painting people like Dean as out of the mainstream.

[survivor999]

21. Of course he did.... Before he didn't. Or something like that.

[Mass]

23. Well, I can see you care about Dean. No, you are just here to provoke a flamewar.

You are the only one talking about Kerry here. This thread is about DEAN.

[survivor999]

24. I care about Dean.

And I'm against revisionist history.

[Mass]

25. YOU BROUGHT THE SUBJECT HERE. WHY DO YOU WANT TO DISRUPT THIS THREAD

(Go back support Mihos, or whoever it was you were supporting in the MA race).

[zreosumgame]

28. yada yada, now tell us how Gore 'invented the Internet' too

[caledesi]

27. OMG! You don't mean me do you M? You wouldn't treat a

native Rhode Islander that way, would you? LOL!

I hate flamewars.

[Mass]

29. I did not start the flamewar, sorry.

and I will stop now.

[blm]

26. Can you stick to the subject and STOP attacking Kerry and his supporters who

you are misquoting to make your unfunny comment?

[LiberalEsto]

4. The MSM is afraid of him

because they know Dr. Dean is effective

[ChiciB1]

9. BINGO! And He's Weathered The Storm Quite Well... He Just Keeps

on keeping ON! He's still here, he's still affective and he's a thorn in someone's side!

This man has determination and strength and far too many have been unable to actually see it. He's not a TV whore, they ask him he responds, but other than that.... he's INTERNET!!

Howard Dean seems to feel comfortable in his own skin!! Far too many others DON'T!

[Mass]

5. Dean did not get the recognition he deserved, I agree.

[Guaranteed]

7. In fact, Dean is responsible for our win far past his 50-state plan.

It was Dean's leadership that put our party back in the realm of viability. It was his spine implant that finally pushed our leaders to stand up to the Republicans, which is ultimately what brought them down this election.

Dean opposed them from the beginning. Without his opposition, without him pointing out how they were messing things up so badly, I don't think our party would have won this time around.

[caledesi]

13. Great points! Now I understand why the UK and, oh can't remember

the country, want him to be a consultant in their political races. Yea!

[Demoiselle]

10. I'm angry but not completely surprised..

The Washington establishment doesn't take kindly to smart outsiders...even when they
share a party affiliation. Howard Dean scares them, because they know he won't put
up with the insider garbage. They savaged Jimmy Carter, remember? They were taken off guard by
Clinton since they were convinced early on he could never beat Bush. I'm not sure we'll see a good Democratic governor
become president again until some miracle castrates/muzzles the Beltway talking heads. Hey, y'all remember how
they pissed on Gore in 2000, tut tutting and shaking their heads because he was running as something of a populist,
Washington insider though he was? "Populism BAD" they all said in unison. And hey, look, we have a lot of
basic populist Truman/Roosevelt Dems in Congress now. YEA!!

[blm]

11. Dean proved how CRUCIAL a strong party infrastructure is in EVERY STATE - crucial

to the entire election process.

The beltway guys all love Terry McAuliffe and his smarmy, DC-centric schmoozing and fundraising, while he left the red and swing state party infrastructures collapse and wouldn't lift a finger to strengthen them for the four years he was charged to do exactly that - especially after the stealing of 2000.

Of course they want to attack Dean now, and get the smarmy, coverup wing of the Democratic party back in to the DNC chair.

[caledesi]

15. Agree. HD worked his ass off and is still doing it. HD even went

to Alaska. to ask for their votes. Isn't he the first Dem who did
He is such a pragmatist. But, you guys are all right, he is not an "insider"....oh, I hate the Inside-the-Beltway people.

[silverweb]

14. Dean can handle it.

He knows we appreciate him, and he knows all about the DLC, and he knows the press are corporate whores.

If we make a point of congratulating and thanking him ourselves, as a multitude of individuals, he'll get the real message and appreciate it.

Dean is a strong and gloriously persistent bulldog. The lack of "official" adulation won't phase him or slow him down in the least.

Dean will have the last laugh!



:loveya:

[Guaranteed]

17. He always does.

Have the last laugh, that is. :)

[caledesi]

18. Thanks. That made me feel good. He CAN handle it. He

knows what he is dealing with.

[silverweb]

22. Good.

I'm glad that made you feel better!

:hi:

[KharmaTrain]

16. Credit? It Goes To Each Candidate...Not Dean Or Emmanuel

While Dean's 50-state strategy helped get more Democrats on the ballots this year than in recent memory...and had candidates in races that were avoided in the past and turned into victories last Tuesday, Dean's work was done after the primaries. He oversaw a party-wide operation during the campaign with little direct control of any of the campaigns. As we saw with all the big money Repugnicans who went down, all the money and organization wasn't enough to battle the millions of RNCC, RNC and 527 money that were pumped into those campaigns.

I do credit the Netroots for making a bigger difference than Dean or anyone else. It was our donations to many of these candidates that helped them survive the primaries and were critical in GOTV operations.

Dean has done a great job in re-focusing the DNC from the inside-the-beltway country club McAuliffe ran and he's now facing a bigger challenge in expanding that 50 state strategy for '08.

Dean never has served in the House...Emanuel is in his 4th term, Murtha has served for over 20 years. These people have a lot more experience with the machinery of the House than Dean. While Murtha is not our ideal as a Progressive, he's one of the few credible voices on the Iraq debacle and brings this important card to the table as a broker to get our troops out of that mess, and to do it as safely and quickly as possible. I applaud Speaker-To-Be Pelosi for this move.

'08 can be a banner year for Democrats...consolidating our recent gains and retaking the White House and driving the Repugnican scourage from the body politic. This will again require a full team effort...no one part is bigger than the whole.

[caledesi]

19. Great post. No problems with Murtha as Majority Leader, and

the delicious thought of winning in '08...

[goddess40]

20. Damn straight

It was Howard that pushed for and did the grass roots every state plan, he is one of many reasons we did so well.

[zeemike]

30. They know Dean was right

I saw Mark Shields on PBS the day after say it emphatically that Deans 50 state strategy made the difference between victory and failure.
And the rest know it too they just have too big egos to admit it.