GOP IMPLOSION - Blogosphere rage, Malkin, FR, LGF, Hot Air: All-Out-Civil-War

[Grebrook]

Has anyone been reading the right-wing blogs? Over at Hot Air, Free Republic, Little Green Footballs there is pure rage over the fact that the RNC is now going to be chaired by a Hispanic, Mel Martinez of Florida, who is ok with comprehensive immigration reform.

I think this is the end for the GOP. If Bush signs on to the comprehensive immigration reform, which they consider amnesty, they'll stay home in droves in 2008 and jump parties to the Constitution and Libertarian parties. I've read dozens of posts saying that they're already done with the GOP.

This is fantastic. Let's make sure we don't do the same thing and eat each other alive over the debate about impeaching Bush, ok? We've got the GOP on the ropes. If we start a civil war the way they have, it'll rob us of a permanent victory.

2008 is the key to everything. They've got 21 senators up for re-election, we only have 12. If we go in strong while they're in a state of disarray, we can wipe them out for an entire generation, capture a half dozen seats in the Senate, either cement or expand our majority in the House, and put a Dem in the White House.

Let's 'stay the course', shall we?

Blog roundup:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1737909/posts
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006360.htm
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/11/13/breaking-mel-martinez-to-replace-ken-mehlman-as-rnc-chairman/http://www.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/republicans/oh_joyous_day

Quotes:

"I’m scared and disoriented."
"It really is time for a 3rd, conservative party. F— the RNC."
"Ugh. The RNC has lost touch with its conservative base. So much for 2008."
"That’s it. I’m starting my own party."
"Screw the RNC. I’m goin’ home."
"Now I know how Zell Miller felt. The Republican Party has left me."
"Fortunately, there’s the Constitution Party a waitin’! Join me in starting grassroots branches of it all across the country. Please. Let’s send a message."
"The GOP does not like real conservatives. They are not party elite and are to be shunned."
"This news brings vision of a 3rd party closer to reality."
"I agree. Sometimes there's just that one little straw that breaks the back. I've had it."
"And now the Republicans pour gasoline on their train wreck..."
"This is a disaster."
"'08 disaster is guaranteed with this choice."
"I am SO ready for a new party..."
"The Republican party is a bunch of idiots."

Circular firing squads all the way in 2008. Divide and conquer.

[nashville_brook]

1. no more circular firing squads! we're sticking together!

:grouphug:

[jefferson_dem]

2. I just posted a thread on this. RedState too. Not happy...

http://www.redstate.com/stories/the_parties/republicans/oh_joyous_day

[RiverStone]

33. Agreed!!!! Now, who's gonna NOT talk about Leiberman first?

[ovidsen]

57. I'm not worried about Joe

He's not being promoted.

[mcg]

56. and closing ranks!

:grouphug:

[rockymountaindem]

3. Thanks for keeping things clear

This deserves a kick and a recommendation.

[AlinPA]

4. Martinez is R's way of trying to get a lot of the Hispanic vote in '08. It will help.

[lapfog_1]

7. Then let's put Richardson on the national ticket.

but as the VEEP.

I wouldn't have a problem with Gore/Richardson, or Clark/Richardson... and only a mild heartburn at Clinton/Richardson.

That would totally negate the Hispanic vote, with the exception of Florida.

[Alexander]

11. Latinos don't vote monolithically.

Martinez is a right-wing Cuban American, and won votes in South Florida from the pro-Batista, anti-Castro crowd.

That doesn't say anything about how Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, or any other subdivision of Latinos would vote.

You make a mistake in assuming that people vote for a candidate just because they are some kind of minority.

If so, why didn't all women vote for Mondale/Ferraro? Why didn't all black people vote for Michael Steele or Kenneth Blackwell?

May the best candidate win - not the best token.

[Canuckistanian]

24. pro-Batista? Really?

Are the anti-Castroites really pro-Batista? The man was one of the most corrupt dictators the Caribbean has ever seen.

Friend of robber-baron conservatives and gangsters?

[Squeech]

27. Yup

Many of the Miami Cubans were on the take from Batista's Mafia enablers, and what they most resent is the loss of their sinecures.

[nashville_brook]

40. the first wave of Cuban immigrants WERE the Batista-istas

[Alexander]

41. While there are valid reasons to not like Castro....

Most of the Cuban-Americans in south Florida who do were either Batista supporters or are their progeny.

[Flirtus]

61. Thanks for saying this!

I'm in Chattanooga, where "Cubans" are overwhelmingly (R - arrogant), our largest bloc of Latinos are Guatemalans and I can't determine how they vote, and lots of (my family) people make the mistake of lumping them all together as "Mexicans" and think all Latinos have the same interests and political identity. I do think Latinos, admittedly I'm stereotyping, have strong personal beliefs, and I like to hear them speak up. I look forward to the day when candidates all have personal beliefs, not just responses to big contributors.

[tenshi816]

69. Wow - Chattanooga sure has changed!

I went to college at UTC in the early '80s and never saw a Latino in the entire city in those days. Wonder how the monied Lookout Mountain society crowd feel about immigration, legal or otherwise?

[Flirtus]

71. Go Mocs!

The mountains are best viewed from a distance, don't you agree?

And did you not hear of the campaign scuttlebutt that Corker had undocumented employees? That he fired them when they were discovered?

The parts of Main Street you never went to are now largely hispanic, due to the nearby latino workers at the chicken plant. We've got really good cheap Mexican restaurants now, and quite a number of stores with signs in Spanish - as in, no English.

Cubans have been here a long time, one was my teacher in the '70's, and I still see her. She is part of the Riverview crowd.

The great numbers of especially Guatemalans are more recent. And we have a lot of refugees, I know some Czechs and Slavs, and Liberians. I like it; I went to college in Memphis where there was more of an international presence to appreciate.

Chattanooga has changed a lot from the early 80's, and continues to change, but it's like the weather, whatever we have today, we'll have something else tomorrow.

[tenshi816]

74. Is that the Tyson chicken plant

you're referring to? God, what soul-destroying work that must be, and how desperate people have to be to do it.

I used to lament the lack of Mexican restaurants in Chattanooga when I lived there. I'd get so desperate that I'd drive back home to Atlanta for a burrito and a decent Margarita.

Seriously, though, it's good to know that Chattanooga has become a more diversified place. When I was a UTC student there, I also worked part-time for one of the bigger law firms in town as a paralegal. All of the attorneys were stuffy, white and Republican - and Lookout Mountain residents - and the only reason they tolerated me for as long as they did (2 years) was that I spent most of my time in the law library. I used to feel like I was suffocating.

[Flirtus]

73. and,

I just looked at your info, I was at Univ, Oxford in the early 80's. oh, to be back there again!

[tenshi816]

75. That's quite a bit of synchronicity we've got going on! n/t

[ProgressiveEconomist]

17. Maybe not. Maybe, the same way Mehlman's elevation coincided

with Republicans' making gay couples the official scapegoats for national campaigns, Martinez's appointment signals all-out attack on "illegal aliens" in 2008. Such scapegoating would be a natural accompaniment for their top 2008 priority, "Voter ID", which would disfranchise more than 11 million disproportionately Democratic, non-Hispanic voters in the name of "ballot security".

If these are their 2008 priorities, then attracting Hispanic voters may not be the motive for appointing Martinez. It well may be assuring non-Hispanic Independents that Republicans "are not racist", the same way Mehlman's elevation may have assured some independents that the RNC "is not anti-gay". Gays and Hispanics aren't where the votes are; Hispanics accounted for only 8 percent of the elctorate this time.

[robinlynne]

20. 8%? Where did you get that statistic from?

[Grebrook]

25. When he says electorate, he means who actually votes, Hispanics are less likely to vote

than whites. I've seen 8% and 9% bandied around as to the percentage of voters in this country who are Hispanics. They seem to have the lowest turnout of any ethnic group.

[AnnInLa]

45. This was interesting....from Josh Marshall today:

www.talkingpointsmemo.com

Here's a topic I haven't seen sufficiently discussed yet: How many years did the GOP put itself back with the rising population of hispanic voters in this country by running pretty much their whole campaign on immigrant bashing?

The answer, I think, is a lot. And exit poll data suggests a big drop off for Republicans among hispanic voters. According to the CNN exit polls, the 2004 spread as 40% for Republicans, 53% for Democrats. This year it was 26% for the GOP and 73% for Democrats.

From a distance, it might not seem like the Republicans ran this race on immgration. And on the national level, they didn't. But if you watched how the campaign played out in competitive races across the country, it was huge. One of the big campaign gambits from Republican candidates was Democratic Candidate X is going to ruin Social Security by giving away money to illegal aliens (pan to pictures of Mexicans).

It's a pretty sad but also really familiar story. GOP spends years 'reaching out' to until they find themselves losing an election and go hog wild with race-bating or whatever other nastiness looks like it will yield short-term political benefits.

[AnnInLa]

44. Yes, this will help the GOP with the Latino vote, but

as many Latinos as will be gained as voters, that same number of hard-core repukes will be lost. Those hard-cores are even more fired up about immigration than they are over Iraq. NO guest worker program, NO path to citizenship, NO amnesty....if Martinez starts spouting bush's moderate talking points, those hard-cores will stay home. (where they belong)

bush....the gift that keeps on giving.

[KurtNYC]

5. Well said! 'Stay the course' indeed.

Get thee to the "Greatest"! (I see 6 votes already)

[KharmaTrain]

6. We're Too Busy Creating Our Own Circular Firing Squads...

One would think the Democrats lost last week with all the fighting and the Repugnicans came out unscathed. The opposite happened and we're just starting to see the fall-out on the GOOP side.

While we're going in circles about who to "credit" for winning the elections last week, The GOOP is about to start their own blood-letting and it will rip that party apart. The far right is non-plussed...they feel they didn't lose, the party did and will be out with their knives on any moderate...blaming them for the losses and "selling out".

The House & Senate will be different animals next year. Many of the big names on the GOOP radar are gone. DeLay & Santorum's K-Street project, that pumped millions into the party is gone. The party won't be able to control the agenda in either body to create wedge votes to divide the Democrats while I expect Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid to work in isolating Repugnicans on key votes that are sure to stir up the right wing hornets.

I firmly agree we "stay the course"...and expand on it. Iraq will still be an issue in '08 as I'm sure will many others that voters rejected Repugnicans on. The game for the Democrats is to be positive...use this new power judiciously in passing legislation that our candidates can take to the voters in '08 and show progress, not divisiveness.

Let's leave the infighting to the GOOP...it's far more :popcorn: entertaining to watch. In the meantime, the goal now is to cement the party's majority and show a contrast to the politics of personal destruction and inclusion that was the hallmark of the past 12 years.

A great post. Thank you.

[Bake]

8. Halt a DU/Dem circular firing squad?

Scotty: "We cannot change the laws of nature!"

Bake

[Make7]

9. Maybe they are still upset about that whole Schiavo memo thing. ( n/t )

[treestar]

10. The Libertarian Party would not be with them on immigration

That's too much regluation for Libertarians.

They will have to form their own brand new "Know-Nothing" Party.

[Sapere aude]

16. I think I heard that Libertarians are for open borders. Let all who want to work, work driving the

market rate for labor down where the Libertarians can have slaves to work for them.

[Autonomy]

12. I disagree

Just kidding. Check out my earlier post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2706107&mesg_id=2706107

And check out these two random posts from the FR thread:

To: ShawTaylor
Apparently the Rep leadership has chosen to go for the so called "moderate middle"...?

IMHO conservatives need to consider forming a whole new political party

15 posted on 11/13/2006 12:13:12 PM PST by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies >

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To: VRWCTexan
Say Hello to President Hillary.

16 posted on 11/13/2006 12:13:52 PM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
---------------------------------------------

:hi: Hello, Madam President! :toast:

[yellowdogmi]

13. We could halt the circular firing squads if

the leadership would put out the message that we are going to investigate the administration and hold them accountable to the people like the constitution mandates them to. I am not saying impeach. I am saying impeach if that is what the investigation leads us to. Our leaders would be wise to say something along the lines of we will investigate. Instead we hear impeachment is off the table. Who are they to decide what is on the table and off?

[txindy]

26. But they have said that via Waxman.

According to Waxman, there "are so many areas of possible wrongdoing, his biggest problem will be deciding which ones to pursue....There's the response to Hurricane Katrina, government contracting in Iraq and on homeland security, political interference in regulatory decisions by the Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration, and allegations of war profiteering..."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-11-10-waxman_x.htm?csp=34

I find it impossible to believe that all of that investigating will take place without there being a plan in place should (when) the results show criminal conduct.

[donco6]

14. I think we should run a Constitution party candidate.

Pick someone with a big enough head to actually do it.

[Sapere aude]

15. We don't need no stinking xenophobes in the repub party.

I'll tell you. The more days that pass the closer to becoming dinosaurs the xenophobes are. The illegals are not going to go back to Mexico, they won't speak English until they are ready, they will take jobs offered to them.

[NorthernSpy]

23. first, people who want the illegals gone are not necessarily "xenophobes"...

Second, these so-called "xenophobes" have the momentum on their side. Look at the elections in Arizona: Republicans lost, and the four anti-illegal crackdown proposals passed by enormous margins (with over 70% in favor). In other words, the voters who just put our party in power don't agree with you when you say that:

The illegals are not going to go back to Mexico, they won't speak English until they are ready, they will take jobs offered to them.

Anyone who immigrates to the United States must do so only with our permission, and they must learn our language if they want to stay. Also, no American should ever have to compete for a job with someone who is trespassing in our country.

Finally, the insufferable arrogance of your attitude makes ICE enforcement actions like the Stillmore raid go down even sweeter, as far as most Americans are concerned.

[smoogatz]

36. You're living in a fantasy world.

"Anyone who immigrates to the United States must do so only with our permission, and they must learn our language if they want to stay."

You're kidding, right? As long as the corporate low-wage vacuum-cleaner keeps sucking them over the border, they'll keep coming. Short of building a Berlin Wall style fence along all 1951 miles of the Mexican border and picking them off with high-powered rifles when they try to climb over, what's your plan for keeping them out?

As for language, "our language," if we live in SoCal or the Southwest (especially SoCal, where Anglos are no longer the majority and Latinos are the dominant minority), is rapidly becoming Spanglish. If you use words like "taco" or "bodega," does that make you a language traitor? There is not now, nor has there ever been, an official American language. Besides, Spanish is so musical--maybe if you learned to speak it a little, you'd appreciate its beauty and expressiveness more.

Finally, statewide issues in Arizona don't necessarily reflect the national scene. I'll bet you didn't know that Latino population growth in the US since 1967 has outstripped, in real numbers, that of all other ethnic groups--including whites (36 million latinos added to the population vs 34 million whites, 16 million blacks and 13 million Asians). That trend will only accelerate over the next 40 years. Latinos are here to stay, illegal or not--and that seems like a great thing to me.

http://pewhispanic.org/factsheets/factsheet.php?FactsheetID=25

[NorthernSpy]

63. yeah, yeah: we hear the same line on outsourcing, and every other shitty thing...

... that's being rammed down the throats of American workers:

You can't do anything about it, so you have to learn to live with it.

Thatcher's TINA all over again.

Thing is, we can do something about it, and our opponents know this. There is an alternative to just rolling over: we can start enforcing our immigration laws. And we can concentrate on the enforcement actions with the biggest payoff: arresting employers who use illegal labor. That is what happened at the pallet manufacturer, IFCO, when an ICE raid shocked the business community with perp walks of the bosses in addition to the usual round-ups of illegals.

As for language, "our language," if we live in SoCal or the Southwest (especially SoCal, where Anglos are no longer the majority and Latinos are the dominant minority), is rapidly becoming Spanglish. If you use words like "taco" or "bodega," does that make you a language traitor? There is not now, nor has there ever been, an official American language. Besides, Spanish is so musical--maybe if you learned to speak it a little, you'd appreciate its beauty and expressiveness more.

Could you possibly get any sillier?

Who the hell said that Spanish wasn't a nice language? And where did you get the idea that merely using the word "taco" constitutes speaking Spanish -- as if the whole point of maintaining a common language were the enforcement of some bizarre notion of vocabulary purity.

And what's any of that got to do whether the United States should enforce its immigration laws?

Finally, statewide issues in Arizona don't necessarily reflect the national scene. I'll bet you didn't know that Latino population growth in the US since 1967 has outstripped, in real numbers, that of all other ethnic groups--including whites (36 million latinos added to the population vs 34 million whites, 16 million blacks and 13 million Asians). That trend will only accelerate over the next 40 years. Latinos are here to stay, illegal or not--and that seems like a great thing to me.

This isn't about Latinos. It isn't about Mexican culture. It isn't about race. Nice try, though...

[smoogatz]

66. I agree that we should enforce immigration laws with the emphasis on those

who hire illegals. Unfortunately, the big agra and food-processing corporations currently have too much juice for that to happen in earnest anytime soon. The construction industry in the SW is also driving the current boom in illegals, but without it the whole region would be in recession and nobody wants that. Like to try again?

As for your other "arguments," such as they are--

"Who the hell said that Spanish wasn't a nice language? And where did you get the idea that merely using the word "taco" constitutes speaking Spanish -- as if the whole point of maintaining a common language were the enforcement of some bizarre notion of vocabulary purity."

Isn't it? What IS the point, then, if not to impose an "official" language on non-native English speakers? You and Michelle Malkin see eye to eye on this one, which ought to give you pause.

"This isn't about Latinos. It isn't about Mexican culture. It isn't about race. Nice try, though..."

Sure it is. You think we'd be fighting this battle over and over in this country if nice, white Canadians were flooding over the border and taking low wage jobs? Of course not--Limbaugh and the rest would be applauding their work ethic and complaining about Americans sitting on their asses collecting welfare. And that should give you pause, too.

On edit: it's worth noting also that 55% of our population increase since the late 60's (around 55 million new people) is the result of immigration--much of it illegal. They're here, they're brown, get used to it!

[marmar]

18. Crash and burn.....

:nuke:

[Mr_Spock]

19. Sounds familiar

The rhetoric of a big loss is pretty much the same - still fresh in my mind from 2 years ago.

The "end to the GOP" talk is titillating but they will regroup and we have to NOT underestimate them EVER again.

[alfredo]

68. I agree. They will gravitate back to the authoritarian party

and dutifully vote for the strongman of their choice.

We came back, but we rebuilt the party. If they don't rebuild and reform then they will lose again.

[Pierzin]

21. There is a God!!!! Wow, who knew they would actually IMPLODE!?

that is really great! Wow! I am so laughing right now!!! Can't wait for congressional investigations and profiteering charges!!! hahahaha!
wooooooooooooo baaaaaby!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie:

[opihimoimoi]

29. Truth, Sanity, Logic, Reason, Odds, Benevolence, and True Patriotism

Commands a presence in our affairs.....

Oddballs like the GOP and Bush are but a blip on the screen....for they promote everything opposite to the above list. The GOP has had 6 Years of control and what have they done but cause our Nation anguish and in many instances...Misery and Depression.

[PATRICK]

22. Tied to the Bush dynasty

all the OLD Nixon holdovers, the same select corporate cronies, the handcuffed foreign entanglements. And especially they control the GOP. As long as they cannot break free totally from that dominance it will just get worse- even if the Dems LET Bush I's Old Guard get away with the takeover consolidation.

Unfortunately I think this means the Dems WILL let Team Bush I have all the wiggle room needed to rein in junior, an impossible rehabilitation task, and get out of town with no convictions close to home. I think this situation calls for a lot of wisdom and calculation which I don't want to speculate about. Junior WILL pardon a lot of his lackeys, even pro-actively before indictments like Bush I and the Kentucky Governor did with complete impunity. The MSM WILL give the power group, their liferaft on this lake of fire, complete legitimacy and support. The Reagan Conservatives and any GOP so inclined to shake loose from the despised dynasty under the George I they hated and merely put up with, will make our tiff with the thick headed DLC look like a love affair between consenting adults.

The poison of course is the denial of reality and the dependency of power.

[jen4clark]

28. One big problem for us

and that's the corporate controlled media. I hope the new Democratic majority in the House and Senate will bring back the Fairness Doctrine and get us back on the road to having a free press.

Our republic and its press will rise and fall together.
--Joseph Pulitzer

[SalmonChantedEvening]

30. The Bull Mouse Party perhaps??

Squeaking lil rodents, wailing over getting JUST what they paid for.

And these suckers GOT an even break for 12 years.

:rofl:

[Squeech]

31. I don't disagree

but I think their coalition was unstable anyway-- certainly at the dysfunctional and corrupt point they were at by now.

Rove stitched together three groups that didn't really have much to do with each other, or with the classic country club Republican brand, who we could think of as the Nixon Republicans, the Reagan Republicans, and of course the religious right. The Nixonians were all about power projection and neocolonialism. The Reaganauts were the less savory businesspeople, the ones who would rather buy their legislators (in bulk) than actually work for a living. And we all know about the theocrats. Their interests don't actually coincide: the PNAC types, although they don't mind stomping all over diplomatic niceties, now find that, tied as they are to the liars in the other camps, nobody will believe them (observe how the British are rejecting Tony Blair). And the businesspeople now realize that if the millennialists get their way, that'll adversely impact the bottom line. So the whole coalition is falling apart.

[elehhhhna]

32. LOL! QUITTERS! Con Media CUTS & RUNS!

[wicket]

34. kick

:kick:

[jazzjunkysue]

35. Stupider people lead by stupid, greedy people. They get what they

deserve.

No brain, no pain.

[lisainmilo]

37. Comments are too Funny!

Yet you are right about 2008....We need to keep up the good work!

[civildisoBDence]

38. Oh God, PLEASE keep DUHbya alive and in office for two more years!

If he screws up the GOP half as badly as he's screwed up everything else he's touched, the future is ours.

Newsprism

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Yes. It would be ideal if shrub bush resigns in disgrace July/August 2008.

[mtnHov]

60. Ilike the way you think, civil

instead of impeaching the moron, lets put Cheney on the stand for the 9-11 job

[newyawker99]

70. Hi mtnHov!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[JudyM]

72. Though then that'd give them a chance to slide in someone who could run in '08.

Much as I'd love to get rid of the whole lot of 'em, the best strategic move might just be to sit it out for 2 years, just doing investigations into the wrongdoing.

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Tom Joad]

39. I think there will be a very strong push for a third Rightist, anti-immigrant party...

it is NOT a good thing. even presuming they do not win, they will contaminate the body politic. Both Dems and rEpukes will go after their base, with increasing racist rhetoric. this is not a good thing.

We must demand the Dems do not succumb to anti-immigrant racist garbage.

[Irreverend IX]

59. Are you kidding? That would be fantastic!

A modern version of the Know-Nothing Party would destroy the GOP and fracture the conservative vote forever. They just need to find some spokespeople who weigh less than 500 pounds.

[porphyrian]

42. Eat yourselves, right-wing fucks. - n/t

[AnnInLa]

43. If you go to RedState, there is a fairly intelligent

discussion about the same subject. All in all, they don't like the appointment (just another Harriet Myers), but they are able to rationally discuss it, argue about it....without sounding like the mouth-breathers at those other sites. Alot of talk about GWB wanting a new immigration policy to be his legacy now that Iraq can't be his legacy, lol. And, supposedly, Martinez parrots GWB on immigration.

Curious about this: One poster there said this is only a temporary appointment....so, MM's appointment is over when GWB leaves office? If there is a Dem president, who appoints the new RNC head?

[LynnTheDem]

46. And even WORSE! Martinez is a ... *gasp*

TRIAL LAWYER!

And the personal hand-picked buddy of George w. bUsh, so suck it up, freeps.

Stupid MFers.

:rofl:

[yellowcanine]

48. And.........an IMMIGRANT! Is being an immigrant bad now?

Surname, it's more than that...he's an immigrant. He's Cuban, immigrated here when he was 16.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

47. I wonder what a Giuliani candidacy would do to the remaining

right wing extremist base. The RNC finds itself in quite a dilemma: they can't nominate another extremist freak like Bush because they'll lose the independent voters and they can't bring out the complete base on election day if they nominate a social liberal like Giuliani.

[Hekate]

49. Subliminal message: "Stay hooome little Freepers. Nooobody loooves you. Politics is baaad."

More subliminal messages for the Talibornagains: "Politics is diiiirty. Stay awaaay from Washington. You'll only be corruuuuuupted. Staaaay hooome."

:rofl: :popcorn: :rofl: :popcorn: :rofl: :popcorn: :rofl: :popcorn:

Hekate

[Bernardo de La Paz]

50. The Republican Big Tent was always a Marriage of Convenience. No power ==> sue for divorce.

The Repugnant Party's "Big Tent" idea was always a marriage of convenience, a play for gaining and retaining power. Now that they are out of power, they are suing each other for divorce.

This is the inherent problem with a duopoly that is enforced by an unspoken conspiracy of the two big parties to shut out all other parties from ballots and funding and debate time, etc. Both parties have to pretend to be big tents and so policy and ideology tends to blur and become less well-defined.

The Repugnants have always focused on power and the Democratics focused on Truth. Don't lose sight of the truth, but augment it with power consciousness.

[Zhade]

52. The criminals will not be allowed to get away with their crimes.

I'm all for unity, but it has to include support for the rule of law and our Constitution as part of the deal.

We are calling for investigations and, with the evidence of the crimes those will bring, impeachment and as far as we can take it.

We're not going to give up. Sorry.

But good news about the fascists, at any rate!

[Roland99]

53. It's a lot of "hot air". These morans will end up followingi in lock-step.

Either that or they should all form the Moran Party.

[w4rma]

54. This is good for them. They need to sweep out the corruption from their Party.

I think that they are morons, however, and won't be able to do it. Heck, I don't think most of them even understand what corruption is. Or else I'm mistaken and they have been willfully ignoring it in exchange for their belief that they had power.

[intaglio]

55. Therev was one frightening suggestion on FR

That Martinez would resign and Jeb would appoint .....

Kathleen Harris

and the twins :silly: :tinfoilhat: :hide:

[Sancho]

58. As far as I'm concerned, Martinez was a stolen election anyway...

Betty Castor won that election, but hacking the machines was the only reason he won in Pinellas, Broward, and other selected counties. Now the GOP can have him. He's not the sharpest pencil in the box, and won't stay in office next time he runs. Betty Castor's daughter just won a local state senate election and you can see that Jenkins really won the seat in Sarasota. Matinez would lose to any competent opposition if we can ever get a fair election down here.

[Burma Jones]

62. We have the Greens and they have the Libertarians and Perot

The Corporations have the middle.......................

[gully]

65. The libertarians are not conservative socially.

And Perot is not an issue today. The Constitution Party is more in line with the RW fundies.

[gully]

64. Time to "support" a third party conservative candidate in election 08?

[question everything]

67. Thank you for posting, so that I don't have to visit those sites

increase the clicks so they think that they are oh so popular..

[Marr]

76. But- but- I thought this was a "victory for conservatism"! I thought this vote

was a ringing endorsement of... George Bush Sr.!

Why are they so upset?

[Generic Other]

77. Big difference: No one going to jump ship in defense of Bush here

We will either impeach or not. It won't change how we feel about Bush.