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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:35 PM
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Why did New York vote for a self-imposed lame-duck Senator?
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 12:35 PM by Armstead
So it looks like Hillary is going to use her New York Senate seat as a stepping stone for a presidential run after all.

Living in Massachusetts -- where Mitt Romney merely used his one term as Governor to flesh out his resume for a presidential run -- I fail to understand why New Yorkers chose to vote for someone who will be spending most of her term campaigning for president. And if she wins that slot, they will have a new unknown commodity to replace her.

I know she is merely doing what all politicians do. And frankly, I am not happy about the prospect of her as the standard-bearer in 08 for a variety of reasons. I also think she would have made a really good career Senator.

But it bothers me that politicians are so cynical as to run for an office that they know they will be neglecting and abandoning. It seems as though if she were planning to run for Prez, she should have given someone else a shot.

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:37 PM
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1. Maybe she'll come toher senses and decide not to run
That seems unlikely though.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:42 PM
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2. How do you know? Would you NOT want a Prez candidate to come from your state????
Makes sense to me!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:44 PM
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Kerry came from my state
But the difference is that Kerry DID come from my state and was a long-running Senator before he decided to make the run.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:44 PM
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4. Yeah, but chances are we will win NY anyway.
Unless you are worried about Guilliani taking it.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:43 PM
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3. She's not lame duck if she loses.
She'll be two years into her second term. Don't know if the Romney comparison is apositive to her.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:45 PM
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6. Frankly the comparison is more favorable to Mitt
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 12:46 PM by Armstead
I don't like the guy, but at least he didn't run for another term as Governor knowing he would be spending all of his time campaigning for President if he had won.

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:13 PM
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21. Mitt would never have won re-election
and there really was no alternative to Hillary to answer your question.
She's a good senator.
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:44 PM
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5. Are you suggesting the voters should have voted for the repuke?
Or maybe the Green?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:47 PM
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9. No I'm suggesting that she should have made room for another Dem
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:47 PM
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10. the voters had a good alternative in the primary
Anti-war, progressive Democrat Jonathan Tasini. Had there been a level playing field he would have had a shot. Instead, he was shut out of the debates, shut out of media coverage, and blackballed by the Democratic establishment in the state.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:46 PM
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7. Excuse me, but she's not running for President (yet).
That makes your topic moot.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:50 PM
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13. Less moot every day
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/111406/clinton.html

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) is to step down soon from her position in the Democratic leadership, a move that clears the deck for her ambitions outside the Senate.

Clinton is also keeping her campaign offices in New York and Washington operational despite the fact that she does not face reelection for six years, and had scant opposition last Tuesda
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:31 PM
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25. "Hillary running for Pres" rumor # 12838837 ...
yet another "She's running for President!" "announcement" ... first heard in

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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:46 PM
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8. Two reasons:
The GOP had trouble even fielding a candidate. They are in total disarray so there was little opposition from them. Most people hardly knew his name.

There was opposition from the left in the primary and the media ignored him, he had no funding, there were no debates (the media decided that he had no chance because he lacked funds)



Since the media paid little attention to the opposition most people knew her for what the media said she was, the liberal candidate who got things for NY. She had a lot of help I guess since they like her corporate stances.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:49 PM
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11. why is it a surprise to some
that she is GOING to run? Is there really any doubt? She hasn't come out and said, "Yes, I am running." However, she has been running for the office since about 1992...

sP
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:51 PM
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14. Hence my original question....
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:51 PM
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15. The minute you say you aren't running, your fund-raising runs dry and the press ignores you.
What has she got to gain from saying she isn't running?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:49 PM
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12. HC's approval ratings for her job as senator are very high. She's even gotten some Reps...
to rate her highly.

Folks in NYS think she's been a good senator. Why shouldn't they vote for her?

Her fundraising has given the state a lot of influence in the Senate. She and Schumer are a good pair. Close enough to agree on things, but competitive enough to want to be better than the other.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:57 PM
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17. I said I think she'd be a great career Senator
I would much rather see Senate Majority Leader Hillary Clinton someday than to see her make a divisive run to perpetuate anotehr family dynasty in the White House.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:31 PM
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26. I think that's EXACTLY what she wants to do. Bingo! nt
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:56 PM
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16. Hedging her bets
And we aren't sure she is running yet anyway.

I am with you in that I think she isn't the best candidate for us, but I wouldn't be surprised if she holds off until 2012 or 2016.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:58 PM
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18. hillary will have been senator from ny for 8 years in 2008. how long do you
consider long enough?

ny reelected her overwhelmingly knowing she is a possible pres candidate in 08.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 12:59 PM
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19. She will be AWOL if she runs for President
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BIG Sean Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:11 PM
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20. She's been a great Senator!
That's why.

I am not sure how great a President she will be, but I am sure that she is a great Senator and New York is better for having her here.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:32 PM
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27. She goes to UTICA!!! for God's sake! The butt of jokes on "The Simpsons!" nt
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:15 PM
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22. maybe, maybe not. she wouldn't be the first to straddle the two
IF she runs.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:17 PM
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23. Voted for her because she was running for a second term
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 01:18 PM by WI_DEM
and because if she did run in '08 and lose she would still be Senator and if she wins the Dem governor could appoint her successor, and there is also the chance that she might not even run for president in 2008.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:21 PM
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24. Not my business why, not being a New York voter. nt
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