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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 01:56 PM
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"Quiverfull." - religiously insane women producing as many children

as possible.


http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20061127&s=joyce

'Arrows for the War'


When the Gospel Community Church in Coxsackie, New York, breaks midservice to excuse children for Sunday school, nearly half of the 225-strong congregation patters toward the back of the worship hall: the five youngest children of Pastor Stan Slager's eight, assistant pastor Bartly Heneghan's eleven and the Dufkin family's thirteen, among many others. "The Missionettes," a team of young girls who perform ribbon dances during the praise music, put down their "glory hoops" to join their classmates; the pews empty out. It's the un-ignorable difference between the families at Gospel Community and those in the rest of the town that's led some to wonder if the church isn't a cult that forces its disciples to keep pushing out children.

-snip-

Lives such as these: Janet Wolfson is a 44-year-old mother of eight in Canton, Georgia. Tracie Moore, a 39-year-old midwife who lives in southern Kentucky, is mother to fourteen. Wendy Dufkin in Coxsackie has her thirteen. And while Jamie Stoltzfus, a 27-year-old Illinois mom, has only four children so far, she plans on bearing enough to populate "two teams." All four mothers are devoted to a way of life New York Times columnist David Brooks has praised as a new spiritual movement taking hold among exurban and Sunbelt families. Brooks called these parents "natalists" and described their progeny as a new wave of "Red-Diaper Babies"--as in "red state."

But Wolfson, Moore and thousands of mothers like them call themselves and their belief system "Quiverfull." They borrow their name from Psalm 127: "Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are sons born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their enemies in the gate." Quiverfull mothers think of their children as no mere movement but as an army they're building for God.

Quiverfull parents try to have upwards of six children. They home-school their families, attend fundamentalist churches and follow biblical guidelines of male headship--"Father knows best"--and female submissiveness. They refuse any attempt to regulate pregnancy. Quiverfull began with the publication of Rick and Jan Hess's 1989 book, A Full Quiver: Family Planning and the Lordship of Christ, which argues that God, as the "Great Physician" and sole "Birth Controller," opens and closes the womb on a case-by-case basis. Women's attempts to control their own bodies--the Lord's temple--are a seizure of divine power.

-snip-

"Our bodies are meant to be a living sacrifice," write the Hesses. Or, as Mary Pride, in another of the movement's founding texts, The Way Home: Beyond Feminism, Back to Reality, puts it, "My body is not my own." This rebuttal of the feminist health text Our Bodies, Ourselves is deliberate. Quiverfull women are more than mothers. They're domestic warriors in the battle against what they see as forty years of destruction wrought by women's liberation: contraception, women's careers, abortion, divorce, homosexuality and child abuse, in that order.

-snip-

Angel Mays, a 31-year-old mother to three in West Virginia, spoke with me just before she was to have her tubal ligation reversed in order to make her body "God's home" again. Mays suspects a divine purpose to her change of heart and believes the Quiverfull and home-schooling movements are signs of a revival. "It seems the Lord is preparing for something, and I'm wondering if He's doing something big. There's so much selfishness, with people thinking they need to make their lives easier. But we're to seek the Kingdom of God first. The further the nation gets away from God, the starker the Christian contrast grows. The darker the world gets, the more we stand out."

(personally, I don't want any god residing in my womb)

-snip-

But while home-schoolers may be more receptive to the idea of unplanned families, most prospectives actually learn about the Quiverfull conviction through the movement's literature: Pride's and the Hesses' books, Nancy Campbell's Be Fruitful and Multiply, Rachel Scott's Birthing God's Mighty Warriors or Sam and Bethany Torode's Open Embrace. And most people find these books after hearing the theory that birth-control pills are an abortifacient (that hormonal contraception such as the pill can cause the "chemical abortion" of accidentally fertilized eggs). This belief is something the Quiverfull conviction has in common with the larger Christian right, which has recently embraced a radically expanded "prolife" agenda that encompasses not just abortion but birth control and sexual abstinence. Taking a page from the antiabortion movement, anticontraception activists have gradually broadened their aims, moving from defending individual "conscientiously objecting" pharmacists who refuse to dispense contraceptives on moral grounds to extending the same "right of refusal" to corporate entities such as insurers, to an out-and-out offensive against birth control as the murder-through-prevention of 3,000 lives a day and also as the future undoing of Western civilization.

-snip-

She recounts the "seven stages of decline of the Roman Empire" as illustration: from men failing to lead their families to God, through adultery, divorce, homosexuality, barrenness, atheism and then, in the end, an invasion of barbarians from abroad.
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ignorance is a dangerous thing

I feel sorry for the children of these religiously insane women
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:00 PM
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1. Two words.
Andrea Yates.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:12 PM
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31. Two more words:
Child neglect.
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mindfulNJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:00 PM
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2. They may be sorry some day
If their little armies rebel against them...:P
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:07 PM
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11. Could happen, indeed
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:01 PM
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3. There is a rather obnoxious couple here in Iowa
very anti public education too and they have 11 kids. One hopes the children are nicer people than the parents. Maybe just by the LAW of AVERAGES!!! (Ha)
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:01 PM
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4. damn.
"Feminism is a totally self-consistent system aimed at rejecting God's role for women"

scary.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:02 PM
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5. kids play the opposites
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 02:02 PM by bigtree
they should play hell with their fundamentalism
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:04 PM
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7. I know- I told my kids that one day I am sure one will lead a tent revival
and the other will bring many home to Jesus with the story of the "Godless" home in which they were raised.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:28 PM
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35. No........
these fundaMENTAList parents will beat the rebellion out of them. It's just sound doctrine, you know? :eyes:
I feel for these kids because that's just what will happen if they start veering away from the path of righteousness. These people are creating their own little army of psychopaths.
You have to pass a test to get a driver's license.........
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:02 PM
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6. Pastor Ted
Isn't Ted Haggart from Coxsackie? I've heard he's a Coxsacker, at any rate.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:04 PM
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8. How do they make a living?
Do these children grow to be, say, engineers, teachers, librarians? Do they enter the family business - whatever it is? Or do they just live in poverty supported by the community?

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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:15 PM
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16. That's a good question
>Or do they just live in poverty supported by the community?<

I can't imagine how a one income family could support 6+ children, let alone send them to college. Then again, I'm sure the Bible is the only textbook they need. :sarcasm:

I also wonder how many of those kids grow up and have NO children of their own. As a childfree adult, I'm always surprised to learn how many who grew up in a large family decide to forgo having kids of their own.

IMHO, YMMV,
Julie
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:28 PM
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34. forgo having kids of their own
Probably grateful for all the new space and privacy.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:37 PM
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39. Not unlikely
Years ago, I saw a news report on a Catholic family that had 22 children. At the end of the news report, they mentioned that the two oldest girls had become nuns. :-)
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:04 PM
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9. Instead of 'Arrows for the War' say rather
'Cannon Fodder'

Hallelujah!
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:06 PM
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10. can you say "Prolapsed Uterus"
ouch.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:17 PM
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17. Not funny, alas. But it doesn't take
having scads of kids to cause it. It hit me. Very distressing, and toxic to one's quality of life. I've only had two babies. How awful to be trapped into constant pregnancy by an ideology like that.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:45 PM
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23. That happened to my great granny
She had 11.

And they were poorer than poor have a right to be. That was in the early part of the century-- I could only imagine what it would be like now!

Her wise words of advice to my mother:

"Never marry a Frenchman. That's all they want to do is drink and make babies!" :D
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:09 PM
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12. holy FUCK!
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:11 PM
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13. "My body is not my own"?.."Natalists".. sounds like 'The Handmaid's Tale'
Raising little girls to believe that their bodies are 'not their own'... is horrifying.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:12 PM
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14. Those are exactly the type of children who rebel
big time when they get to be teens and young adults. Believe me. Seen it happen lots of times.
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:38 PM
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19. When kids like this rebel
they usually take other people down with them. Imagine being raised by someone who is INSANE, RELIGIOUSLY!
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:15 PM
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15. ... and what are the odds in that big of a family ...
... that at least one of their children is going to be gay - that which they proseletyze so violently against? :shrug:

Then what will the "Jebus-loving" :eyes: "family" gonna do?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:34 PM
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37. No, they're being home schooled........
and watched very closely so they won't be "recruited" by other gays. There won't be any chance of them coming in contact with a gay person so there's no chance of any of them being gay. That's how the gays do it you know! :sarcasm:
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:30 PM
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41. Oh, that's right ...
I must have been reading from one of those liberal commie gay manifesto pseudo-scientific medical journals when I originally posted.

Sorry ... :rofl:
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:33 PM
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18. Religiously insane families, even.
The women seem to come down with a case of Stockholm syndrome - they've come to love the cages that they're kept within.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:40 PM
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20. Janet Wolfson is a 44-year-old mother of eight in Canton, Georgia.
Canton is just up the road from me. Real redneck area.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:44 PM
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21. Onward, Christian Soldiers.... marching
back to the dark ages..

There is nothing wrong with large families, BUT if they are popping out babies as a "political statement". how is that any different than "wearing an African baby" as an accessory?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:59 PM
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27. overpopulation is fucking up the planet, large famillies = BAD!
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 03:59 PM by Odin2005
I think everyone should have no more then a single child.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:09 PM
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30. Personally, I think we do have "enough" people, but
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 04:10 PM by SoCalDem
individuals who WANT lots of kids, and who can afford to support them, are not any of "my" business.

China tried to limit population, and it's not turned out all that well..

Poor people who have many children and a bigger problem for us to solve.

As soon as they become "less poor", they start having smaller families..
:)
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:35 PM
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38. Overpopulation is everyone's business.
An individual "right" that causes the rest of society to suffer is a right that shouldn't exist.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:23 PM
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43. Not to mention the suffering of the planet as a whole
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:13 PM
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46. Exactly.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:21 PM
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42. I agree
But when I stated my support for the Chinese policy of one per family, my very liberal girlfriend (a mother of two) practically shouted at me: "Keep your hands off my uterus!"

This from the same woman that had previously decried overpopulation by saying that women were going to keep having babies until there was no more room to drop them. Go figure.

On a planet dying due to the human scourge, why should anyone have the right to have as many children as they possibly can?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:12 PM
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45. She's probably naive enough to think everyone will quit popping out babies volentarily.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:44 PM
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22. That was disturbing
Ick

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:46 PM
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24. How will these kids spend their summers now that Jesus Camp is closed?
Dang, this is some scary shit.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:51 PM
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25. skeet, skeet, skeet
sorry I couldn't help it. }(
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:57 PM
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26. I think someone needs to keep his quiver in his pants.
And that's all I have to say.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:41 PM
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40. LOL
:thumbsup:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:06 PM
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28. What happens when these children join the real world?
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 04:07 PM by sparosnare
They can only be home-schooled and sheltered for so long. Does a quiverfull mom and domineering dad actually believe they can control what these children become as adults? If they do, they're in for a rude awakening. Ignorant people.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:07 PM
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29. Some truly sick fucks.
:grr:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:17 PM
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32. I know of a family with 13 children ranging in age from 21 to a few months.
Don't know whether they are Quiverfull, but they are very religious, and do home-school their kids. I saw them at a public charity event recently, and all the girls wore their hair the same way. They all had very long, straight hair. The older girls had it pulled back off their faces and the younger girls wore braids. There was no individuality to any of them. None of the older girls wore any make up, and they seemed to try and hide their femininity. They gave me the creeps.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:24 PM
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33. I trust these mega families are self supporting.
Nothing makes me happier than a dingbat deciding to be a brood mare, then applying for food stamps.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:32 PM
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36. Time to amp up the cultural war
And bring back the lions. They're hungry for some christ-insane flesh!
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Crandor Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 06:56 PM
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44. People like these ought to be forcibly sterilized
Seriously, allowing these kinds of imbeciles to breed is going to turn America into a third world country if it isn't stopped.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 07:14 PM
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47. I agree. (grabs flame-repellant jacket)
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