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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:09 PM
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Demand Action From Congress: 500,000 Impeachment Letters to Pelosi by Jan. 3
found this on WRH- looks like word is spreading...

Activists at the Democratic Underground are calling for a letter writing campaign much like the one that resulted in the pursuit of impeachment and resignation of Nixon
http://benfrank.net/blog/2006/11/12/demandactionfromcongress

I think she and the many of the Democrats want to do this, but to overcome the reluctance of the DC etablishment and big money interests who are afraid their ox will be gored along with Bush & Cheney, she needs constant overwhelming evidence of public DEMAND not just support for impeachment.

email sf.nancy@mail.house.gov
FAX: 202-225-8259

Nancy Pelosi
2371 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

District Office:
450 Golden Gate Ave.
14th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94102

Write Your Congressperson
http://www.house.gov/writerep


or Better Yet,
Fax This to their inbox!
Let’s get a few hundred (thousand) of these to every Critter’s Fax machine


http://www.benfrank.net/blog/f/faxCongress-impeachNow.pdf
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:13 PM
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1. Impeach For Peace has the legal forms for citizen-initiated IMPEACHMENT...
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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:30 PM
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2. original link
The blog has a link to the original DU thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2697215
with all thanks to yurbud!

I hope everyone is passing this idea around-keep it alive!

Momentum is everything. They know if they can squash it now, we will all just forget about it like the DSM, the illegal wiretapping etc. They are counting on it which is why the idea we should just wait and trust Pelosi is being pushed on us. Pelosi clearly stated she wasn't interested at all- and she needs to be told it aint about her and what she wants.

"We the people are setting the table now"
I LOVE this quote- Thanks Cindy!
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:54 PM
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3. Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!
:)
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 02:54 PM
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4. Pshaw! Wrong target? Wrong tactic?
Don't you think it would be more productive to lobby the Committee chairs?

We need investigations and hearings. That's where this is going to get started, and not in the Speaker's office. Speaker Pelosi is not going to stop hearings, nor will she stop impeachment if the public and committees are calling for it.

We need to use leverage here. It's no good to try to convince Pelosi if there are not already things in motion below her. I guarantee that the committee chairs will be more likely to act than the leadership at this time. That's where we should focus our efforts.

Get the ball rolling and Nancy will be with us. We won't need to convince her at all. She's not the enemy here. Making threats won't help either.

Positive engagement. Force the issue.

We need a public education project.

LTTE's supporting investigations and impeachment.
Lobbying Congress critters to support investigations and impeachment.
Any and all other tactics, but framed positively with *facts*.
Keep beating the drum until Congress can no longer keep it off the table.
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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:02 PM
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5. You are right, we should lobby Conyers as well
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 03:06 PM by DemPower
He already has incriminating evidence for impeachment.

Conyers’ Fax #
202-225-0072
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:08 PM
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6. Damn right.
Don't forget the other committee chairs, either.

Don't forget that many of them are progressive caucus members and will be predisposed to agree with sentiments for investigations and impeachment.

And PLEASE stop threatening them.
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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:13 PM
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7. I don't think asking nicely has been working
US asking nicely works about as well as Dems asking Repubs nicely....
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:22 PM
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8. No thanks.
I think this is majorly counterproductive, and before anyone starts attacking me for being DLC, I suggest you check out Skinner's thread.
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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:47 PM
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9. counterproductive is leaving Bush in office
The argument that we cannot impeach Bush-we must do other things instead makes no sense.

We can't accomplish anything with Bush in office.

The idea that we need investigations is a stalling tactic. Investigations are a part of impeachment proceedings. When we have the evidence we do for impeachment, there is no reason for anyone to be saying 'oh we're not sure' investigate first.

Have you seen the Downing Street Memo?
Have you heard Bush admit to warrantless wiretapping? He also has stated 'wiretapping requires a court order,nothing has changed' therefore he knows he behavior was/is illegal and he is still doing it.

Conyers and Pelosi know that warrantless wiretapping is illegal. FISA was created to prevent another president from this behavior, after Nixon. Remember Nixon? Why doesn't Conyers and Pelosi?

We don't need to wait for investigations. This is a stalling tactic to hold us over until the momentum is lost, just like on the DSM 'Conyer's will do something when the Dems get in power' and illegal wiretapping 'conyers is writing up articles of impeachment- just wait for Dem control of congress....well now we have that power and he's saying 'oh nevermind' Then after they stall enough...oh we don't have enough time to impeach...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 03:56 PM
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10. Baloney.
Investigations are the ONLY way to go. Impeachment is pointless unless you have far more evidence than we have now, and I'm talking about very specific stuff. As it stands now, I bet half the dems in the House would vote against it. I'm not big on pyrrhic victories.
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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:20 PM
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12. very specific evidence
Have you read the Downing Street Memo?

How is this for specific....Bush admitted to warrantless wiretapping. In order for Bush to legally wiretap he must go through the FISA court and ask for a warrant up to three days afterward. Bush ignored the FISA court and has been breaking the law repeatedly. He has admitted this on national TV.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:00 PM
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14. Yes. I've read it.
Sorry, you're wrong. It's apparently slipped your mind that critical members of Congress went along with the warrentless wiretapping. And let me tell you, there aren't a whole lot of constitutional experts or savvy politicians who would agree with you.

Investigate and present the evidence. And that's how it's gonna be whether you like it or not.
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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:24 PM
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15. 14 Constitutional Scholars agree Bush Broke the Law
Dear Members of Congress:

We are scholars of constitutional law and former government officials. We write in our individual capacities as citizens concerned by the Bush Administration's National Security Agency domestic spying program, as reported in the New York Times, and in particular to respond to the Justice Department's December 22, 2005 letter to the majority and minority leaders of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees setting forth the administration's defense of the program. Although the program's secrecy prevents us from being privy to all of its details, the Justice Department's defense of what it concedes was secret and warrantless electronic surveillance of persons within the United States fails to identify any plausible legal authority for such surveillance. Accordingly the program appears on its face to violate existing law.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/why-the-nsa-surveillance-_b_13522.html
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:04 PM
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11. Great idea.
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 04:04 PM by H2O Man
I think this is a great idea.

I'd also note that some of the anti-impeachment folks are saying that we need to have investigations first. I think it's fair to say that everyone realizes this. There has not been a single case in US history of an impeachment that did not result from an investigation.
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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:23 PM
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13. Investigations are part of impeachment proceedings-we don't need them first
We pursue impeachment based on the case that Conyers has already put together. If the evidence proves inconclusive, he will not be impeached.

But it makes no sense for DUers who know what has been happening to say that we don't know if we have enough evidence to impeach- of course we do! We just need someone to get the ball rolling...
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