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DemPower Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:55 PM
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Wiretapping program ruled unconstitutional
A U.S. federal judge has ruled that the National Security Agency's program to wiretap the international communications of some Americans without a court warrant violated the Constitution, and has ordered it shut down....

Taylor ruled that the program violated both the Fourth Amendment and a 1978 law that requires warrants from a secret court for intelligence wiretaps involving people in the United States.

The Fourth Amendment protects Americans against "unreasonable searches and seizures."

Taylor rejected the administration's repeated assertions that a 2001 congressional authorization and the president's constitutional authority allowed the program. "The public interest is clear in this matter," she wrote. "It is the upholding of our Constitution."

In bypassing court warrants, the judge said, the government has sought the unilateral power to decide when surveillance is required.

"It was never the intent of the framers to give the president such unfettered control, particularly when his actions blatantly disregard the parameters clearly enumerated in the Bill of Rights," she wrote.

"The three separate branches of government were developed as a check and balance for one another."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/18/news/wiretap.php
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:59 PM
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1. Thank you, Judge!
That's what we've been saying all along.
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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 04:59 PM
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2. Is this old or new?
The link goes to an August '06 ruling.

Wiretapping program ruled unconstitutional
By Adam Liptak and Eric Lichtblau The New York Times
Published: August 18, 2006


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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:00 PM
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3. All this good news. Am I dreaming?
:woohoo: :patriot:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:00 PM
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4. Woot. Take that Chimperor! n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:00 PM
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5. kick and nom n/t
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:01 PM
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6. This is several months old - happened in August.
No more news since.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:03 PM
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9. Actually
I heard that the Judges injunction against the program was overuled by a higher court.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:04 PM
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10. thanks - I hadn't heard that.
:hi:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:09 PM
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16. no, but what happened it that WH is allowed to continue during the
appeal.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 03:53 PM
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26. really, where did you hear that? if you want people to trust you give sources...
and create a reasonable journal and profile. Also your link is a bit outdated and in a sense promotes some very bad propaganda that was an abject failure. Now far be it from me to call ANYONE a troll but your image could certainly use a bit of touching up.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:01 PM
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7. from August 18th
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:03 PM
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8. old article, currently still on appeal
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yellowdogmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:04 PM
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11. I believe this is old. and has been either
overturned upon appeal to the appellate court in Cincinnati or is up for review there.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:06 PM
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Thanks for posting....but,
isn't this old news? Don't you remember she was villified by the right as being one of those nasty "activist" judges?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:00 PM
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27. I'D CALL THIS CURRENT NEWS, UNTIL THE APPEAL ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE...
If ANY judge is stupid enough to commit political suicide by over-turning a ruling so closely supported by the most basic precepts of Constitutional law, I'd say it will remain "current" as it moves into ever-higher courts.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:06 PM
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12. OLD -- AUGUST 18, 2006 n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:07 PM
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13. this is the Detroit judge (a few months old)---The case in now in the 6th
district courst (Fed)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:08 PM
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:49 PM
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22. An easy mistake to make!
Welcome to DU!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:09 PM
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15. welcome to our forum!
:hi:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:09 PM
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17. BOTH the AUMFs need to be re-examined.
Both the Sept 2001 ('War on Terror AUMF) and Oct 2002 (Iraq War AUMF) need to be re-examined to delete the "...as he (Bush) determines..." language.

Sen Warner has said the Oct 2002 AUMF may need to be revisited...and now the 9-11 Commission report's errors and omissions require a new investigation.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:11 PM
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18. hmm.
Edited on Tue Nov-14-06 05:11 PM by Tiggeroshii
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:12 PM
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19. damn right it's unconstitutional
as most of the legislation put forth by BushCo. :grr:

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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:14 PM
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20. Now, will they actually follow the order, though?
The NSA is listening to and reading everything we say and write anyway. A Judge can tell them, no, but the NSA doesn't operate under anyone's rules. Who oversees the NSA? No one. Oh, I'm sure there's some sham Congressional oversight committee in place, but does anyone REALLY oversee the NSA? They're the NSA and invasion of privacy means absolutely nothing to them. I mean, it's great that the Judge reached this decision and all, but does anyone seriously think the NSA is going to change in any significant way because of it? :shrug;
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:34 PM
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21. Again, you are posting OLD articles.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 05:52 PM
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23. YAY! Now, off to the SCOTUS in an appeal, right?
We know how they ruled on Hamdan. I wonder which way they will go on this one?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-14-06 11:40 PM
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24. K&R! ALL RIGHT! here's a picture for the moment...
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:46 AM
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25. kickin for view-ability
:kick:
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:16 PM
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28. hey dempower welcome to DU...
have you been around long enough to learn to watch your Private Messages. It's called "INBOX" and you will see the yellow envelope icon ten positions to the right, by the big words at the top, saying, DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.
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