Pat Buchanan says we will lose the war and it will be a "national calamity"

[Keseys Ghost]

Unless we put in another 150,000 troops, we lose.

Losing will be a bad thing...


My, oh, my....

(Just now on Scarborough Country )

[roamer65]

1. Draft Jenna Bush!!!

[City Lights]

8. Barbara Jr. too!

:bounce:

[MannyGoldstein]

11. Why Not Chelsea?

'nuff said.

[Patchuli]

15. You're kidding, right?

Chelsea's poppa didn't start a stupid war.

[MannyGoldstein]

31. She Backed It

And still does.

[Patchuli]

51. Link? nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. her father did not start a war that causes other peoples children to die

nuff said

[City Lights]

29. Whatev...

:eyes:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Memo to Pat: The war is already lost and is already a calamity.

Especially for the Iraqis.

[SharonAnn]

36. Yes, already lost, already a tragedy, already a calamity.

[nytemare]

3. Uhm, it isn't already a calamity??

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Hey Pat, it was lost the day Rummy and Chimpy pushed the button.

It was a war of choice, courtesy of George W. Bush and Co.

[LynnTheDem]

4. Too late. Lost the same day it started.

Illegally invading natins that hadn't been doing a damn thing to anyone are always lost the day they start.

Stupid rightwingnut MFing idiot.

[MrSlayer]

5. He's such a tool.

It was a calamity from it's conception and it was never going to be a victory. Winning was never an option.

[roamer65]

12. I really am starting to like Wes Clark a lot more.

He makes a lot of sense and has the military experience necessary to handle the job.

[RiverStone]

34. Clark has always been my #2 choice. Gore #1.

Would be thrilled with either!

Obama for V.P.!

[mdmc]

6. i agree

but i think that we won the war, and lost the occupation.

if we want to win the occupation, we need more troops.

i am sure the dlc and gop will come on board...

[Patchuli]

13. What would "winning" involve?

I don't think you can win an occupation. The Iraqis want us the hell out and you can't blame them. The last thing we need to do is put more troops in.

Screw the DLC and the GOP. They're responsible for this mess.

[mdmc]

27. once we admit that this pre-emptive war was a wrong use of our resources

we can correct our mistakes.

As long as all of the 2008 frontrunners think that we just need to "adjust" the "course" that we "stay" on, all is failure.

As someone that thought all along that invading Iraq would make us less safe, I now want to hear this from the gop and dlc.

[LittleClarkie]

9. What the hell happened to him wanting us out of there?

When did he change his mind?

[arewenotdemo]

35. I was wondering the same thing

He sounded almost sane with his previous criticisms. Now this.

:wtf:

[Patchuli]

10. We "lost" the minute we invaded Iraq

and this is not a "war." It's an occupation.

Note to Pat: SHUT UP!

[gordianot]

23. That is correct.

The United States lost day one in Iraq, there was really no mission to win. Problem is this mess will end while Democrats have control of Congress and possibly the White-house. Like the good fascists they are the GOP will take a page out of another politician's book (middle twentieth Century) and blame the opposition (Democrats) for the loss. Demagoguery never goes away.

[Patchuli]

52. I know they will try

but maybe it's up to us to make sure that the history books correctly reflect that this was a huge GOP mistake!

[jimshoes]

14. We will start winning over there

the minute we give up on the idea that we are somehow going to turn Iraq into our 51st state and make oodles of money off the ignorant inhabitants. (I don't mean to say the Iraqi's are ignorant, but that seems to be the mindset of this administration) When we leave, we win, and so do the Iraqi's. Funny how that works. The only losers are the industrialists who thought they would make billions over there. Tough shit for the industrialists.

[TheBaldyMan]

42. The industrialists have already made billions - tough shit for the US taxpayer

[Poiuyt]

16. Just like the "national calamity" that occured when we left Viet Nam

[David Zephyr]

17. Bush already LOST it.

It was his war.

[bigtree]

18. We already 'lost' because the entire aggression is a sham

there's nothing for the U.S. to 'win' in Iraq.

[ldf]

19. anyone with an ounce of intelligence should see

that this type of conflict is unwinnable.

the real calamity is staying and continuing to beat our national psyche to a pulp, while destroying the morale of our soldiers, and creating yet more lifelong enemies.

pattie should have been trying to convince halliburton and kr&b to give the people of iraq drinkable water, electricity, some hospitals and schools.

THAT would have helped out.

but that is not what cheney, bush, and the republicans, wanted.

they wanted $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

and they got it.

[sendero]

20. We lose...

... if we put in another 250,000 troops. Buchanan is only marginally more savvy than Rumsfailed.

There is NOTHING WE CAN DO to stop the chain reaction we have started, save partition the country, and that is no sure thing. Americans might as well start getting used to it.

[Imagevision]

21. 57,000 dead US. troops in Viet Nam -- How many will die in Iraq before peace with honor

or some other facimilie thereof

[laureloak]

22. Sounds like a ploy to get Dems to call for a Draft. n/t

[partylessinOhio]

24. Flip Flop Pat get your butt over there first before you ask 149,999 to follow YOU!

You and Bush are lost in a fog.

This nation will survive the both of you.

[roamer65]

25. I know what people like Pat are really scared of...

They're scared this will now spill over into Saudi Arabia. Why else are the Saudis building a wall along the Iraqi border? Imagine the Islamic Republic of Southern Iraq, a Turkish-occupied Kurdistan and an Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabia. There goes the oil exports to the USA. We will rue the day we started this damn war, to quote Col. Hackworth.

Get ready for a large scale draft.

[Generator]

28. Pat Buchanan is a loon

He hates the war, hates Bush but BLAMES the Democrats for starting it. Now that there is a chance of Bush pulling away due to the fact the Democrats retook Congress and the Senate he wants to put more troops in? He is never consistent. Either his job is to pundit fuck with the Democrats-(we know that's true) or he is an utter loon. (I'm banking on both I think)

[Fridays Child]

30. We've already lost it. Now, Democrats have the thankless task of...

...staunching the bleeding.

[dubykc]

32. In my mind it begs ONE question.......

How the F*** would he know????

[leesa]

33. I wish we could already decide that we have lost the war. WTF difference would

150,000 troops make except more magnificent war memorials in the future?

Let's get the hell out of there tomorrow. Fly in the helicopters, load em the hell up.

[txindy]

37. Way too late.

But Pat is always the last one with an idea. He waits until someone else voices it out loud and then he 'thinks' it up, himself. :eyes:

[Jacobin]

38. Um, we already tried that in Nam. 550,000 troops

Pat, you ignorant fool. You are old enough to remember that and you know your idea is stupid.

Yes it is and will be a calamity....started by your party

[Golden Raisin]

39. Uh, we already lost

and it's already a colossal calamity.

[MGD]

45. We have lost the initiative and our offensive momentum but the mission is still salvageable

The situation is such that we can not conquer our enemy; therefore, victory lies in making ourselves unconquerable now. We must make ourselves unconquerable and wait for victory to become obtainable. We must dig in and wait out the civil war. Otherwise, we may as well leave ASAP IMO.


"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."
Sun Tzu

[SoCalDem]

40. Poor Pat.. He's so out of touch. His solution to everything

somehow involves soldiers & fencing material..

Maybe we should just get the soldiers to build a giant fence around Iraq.

[MGD]

46. Not a bad idea. Narrow it down to the green zone and the Baghdad airport though.

edit: on second thought, I think you're right on the money.

[TheBaldyMan]

41. Pat Buchanan knows nothing about military affairs and it shows.

The war is already lost, Buchanan makes two errors:

first - he is suggesting that if we just try harder we can win the war (By we I mean the poor bloody troops, drawn as usual from the poor and disadvantaged demographics)

second - he is miles out on the number of troops needed, his paltry 150,000 wouldn't even stabilise the situation in Iraq, let alone 'win it' .

More RW nonsense spouted by another know-nothing chicken-hawk.

[Major Hogwash]

49. Well, he was Nixon's speechwriter, after all. "Peace With Honor" didn't work then either.

When I found out Kissinger was giving them advice in the White House, I fell over.

They don't have a clue what to do next.
None.
They're tapped out already.

Now that symbolman has pointed out that Bush's daddy is trying to run things from the back rooms via James Baker, the "fixer" for the Bush family, I think it is evident they haven't figured out yet why Vietnam was such a colossal mistake.

And since Bush never went to Vietnam, he has no political compass with which to guide him in time of war.

Bush is just a "tin soldier".

[B Calm]

43. We lost this war the minute we invaded this sovereign nation!

[lamp_shade]

44. WE DIDN'T LOSE THIS WAR....

Because "WE" didn't start this war. It's Bush's war. Bush lost it.

[MGD]

47. We would ensure a generation of Democratic party rule if we won it though. eom

[and-justice-for-all]

48. We lost the "war" 4 years ago....

Catch up Pat, moron.

[Hubert Flottz]

50. "Losing will be a bad thing"

Bush is headed for Hanoi right now to Kiss Some Commie Asses. And he likes it!

[Imagevision]

53. Iraq wasn't a war until Bush made it one with "faulty intel" bullshit...