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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:23 AM
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Senate Dems threaten to go nuclear today.
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 12:43 AM by longship
It didn't happen on one of those Constitution-shattering bills. It happened on a rather innocuous emergency funding amendment for drought suffering farmers. It wasn't Edward Kennedy or Barbara Boxer threatening to pull the trigger. It was Kent Conrad.

What happened in the well of the Senate this afternoon should leave no doubt about the extent to which these newly revived Democrats will fight for everybody in this country, even before they have the power to do so. The fact is that Democrats have always had the power, but the prospects of being a "permanent minority" undoubtedly stayed their hands. No longer. Not this afternoon.

Daniel Akaka and Kent Conrad spoke eloquently about the need to assist farmers who have suffered untold losses from drought. The amendment was to be attached to the currently being debated reauthorization of oversight for Iraqi reconstruction. The Republican response was inevitable. Judd Gregg (R-NH) stood in opposition along with Kay Bailey Hutchison. Gregg threatened to invoke Rule 16, governing appropriations bills, to crush the amendment. That's when Kent Conrad had had enough.

Conrad let the Republicans have it. He explained in all too unambiguous terms just how far the Democrats were willing to go to preserve their right to vote on the amendment. He responded to the Rule 16 threat with one of his own. If Gregg crushed the amendment, Democrats would go all the way. The proceedings of the Senate would grind to a halt as Democrats would deny support for unanimous assent motions. This is the same threat Democrats talked about using in response to the Republican's own nuclear option so many months ago. Then, it was the killing of the judicial nominee filibuster which threatened the Democrats. This time it was a funding bill for farmers. How times have changed. It's amazing what an election can accomplish.

The Republicans were notably stunned. Kay Bailey Hutchison, who controlled time on the other side, went white in the face. Nearly speechless, her sole action was to delay further proceedings by setting aside further debate on the amendment and calling for a quorum. The last one saw of her occurred seconds later as C-SPAN turned off microphones and cued the ominous sounding Prokofiev Symphony #5. At the side of the TV frame one saw Kent Conrad poking his finger in Kay Bailey's face, explaining to her the meaning of high dudgeon.

It was a pleasant sight. God, I'm proud of these people.

I posted a post earlier today about this. I thought a more full report would be appropriate for evening DUers.
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:26 AM
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1. is there a site where we can see a video?
good report
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qnr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:27 AM
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2. About time n/t
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:27 AM
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3. Thanks for the report. Thats great news!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:33 AM
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8. I have a feeling that some Dems are going to no longer
take crap from Rethugs. The days of Rethug bullying are going to change.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:29 AM
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4. Those upper-midwest Dems are real firecrackers
Dorgan's always had my respect, and maybe I should take a closer look at Conrad, too.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:03 AM
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43. Conrad once worked for Dorgan...
In fact Conrad career has followed and mirrored Byron Dorgan's career very closely.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:30 AM
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5. Thanks! News I don't seem to find on MSM.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:30 AM
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6. Thanks for the recap. I am sorry I missed that crook Hutchison
being stunned. Got video?
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:32 AM
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7. K & R, longship
Thanks for posting this.

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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:34 AM
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9. K & R!
:kick:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:34 AM
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10. Sweet, but did they get to vote on the amendment?
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:35 AM
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11. What a breath of fresh air! Oh my gosh, it feels SO GOOD!
I guess the Dems don't know that we'd have had their backs if they'd done this before. Absolutely. This is what we've been waiting for for 12 years!
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:36 AM
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12. Maybe someone can explain why they didn't do this sooner
But it's good to hear and I hope more Dems follow Conrad's example.
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California Griz Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:47 AM
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23. They had to let it hit bottom
After the 2004 election was over I came to believe that Kerry losing was a good thing long term. I think that's why he didn't put up a fight about Ohio. I'm not sure how bad he wanted to inherit the mess Bush had made. With Republicans still in charge of Congress his veto pen would have been very busy. Iraq was at a point where it was only going to get worse. Bush's idiotic war would have brought Kerry down and diminished our chances of retaking Congress. Democrats gave them enough rope and they hung themselves. If the Democrats play it right they will be in control for at least the next 2 decades.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:02 AM
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24. Why Kerry Caved - Palast says...

from Armed Madhouse...

Why Kerry Caved

Add up the spoiled and provisional ballots lost in Ohio, New Mexico and Iowa, and John Kerry would have overtaken George Bush's teeny lead - if all the votes were counted.
But Kerry conceded, and not without reason. Ohio was the key, and, let's face it, just as Katherine Harris stopped the count of spoiled punch cards in Florida in 2000, Ohio's Blackwell would likely have done the same in 2004.
Still, the Democrats could have stood before the Supreme Court and argued, as Martin Luther King said, "Until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." Kerry's attorney could have told the Justices, and the world, that this election brought back the methods of the White Citizens Councils and the hoodless Klan tactics of Operation Eagle Eye, outlawed 40 years ago. But before justice could get flowing, any well-read civil rights attorney would know that the man identified as "Bill" who directed the (black voter) harassment teams of Operation Eagle Eye back in the 1960's was, by 2004, none other than William "Bill" Rehnquist, Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court. Case dismissed.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:46 AM
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36. Wow, I didn't know that about Rehnquist
He was practically a member of the '60s version of the Minutemen. I found this article about it on Common Dreams:
http://www.commondreams.org/views/120200-101.htm
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:48 AM
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38. I say Wow too. I only had time to read one chapter in Greg's book
Looks like some more holiday reading for me.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 06:00 PM
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47. Kerry Losing Was NOT A Good Thing
In any way, shape or form. I would rather have the Reps with the majority in Congress and the Senate if it meant that Alito and Roberts weren't on the Supreme Court.

I would have rather had fast action taken after Katrina rather than our leaders goofing off while people drowned and died of heat exhaustion.

And Iraq only got worse while Republican leadership kept saying we'd turned a corner.


Better in the long run that Kerry lost? BAH!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:36 AM
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13. better than sex
well almost, but there are no words worthy of the lift this has given me.
thanks for this, thanks for watching these guys.

I love C-SPAN!:toast:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:38 AM
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14. CSPAN is gonna be good tv from now on
I can't wait.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:03 AM
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25. I'm hating being gainfully employed...
well, not really... but I do miss my daytime CSPAN TV. :)
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:40 AM
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15. I read your earlier post on this, but thanks for additional details.
I think some of these Dems are going to really start kicking ass, not to get revenge, but to get the people's business done.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:42 AM
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16. thank you. I think we're going to see some real ass kicking by
the Democrats. Yes, it's sad they didn't do it before, but let's move forward, pass the popcorn and enjoy this new Oscar winning show!!!

:bounce:

:woohoo: :dem: :kick:

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:44 AM
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17. Thanks, longship. Wish I had seen that.
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datadiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:47 AM
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18. I do hope this gets on the internet
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 12:57 AM by datadiva
I couldn't watch today, too much work to get done. I would love to see this.

Edited to fix spelling
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:49 AM
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19. We have power again. I'm glad they're using it. - n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 12:54 AM
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20. KICK ASS Kent Conrad!!!
:kick:

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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:23 AM
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21. I'd feel better about this if I could be SURE...
...that this bill would benefit only those farmers who farm their own land, who are not under contract to some agrimegabusiness monocropping arrangement, and who are not millionaire owners of multiple farms in multiple states as cogs in the industrial food machine.

Don't get me wrong, I think we should be doing WAY more to help farmers-- help them reclaim their land from the twin poisons of monocropping and chemicals, help them diversify and integrate their crops and livestock, help them farm sustainably, help them bank soil as a form of price supports rather than pure subsidies, help them build farmer-controlled distribution and processing networks in cooperation with grocers and restaurants, etc.

I think the less we do to continue subsidizing the wealth of the Cargill family and the top executives of ADM, the better.

worriedly,
Bright
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 01:33 AM
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22. The issue here is not the specifics of the amendment
It's the extent to which the Dems went to defend it.

They went to the wall on it and the Republicans were utterly shocked.
You should have seen Kay Bailey Hutchison's face when she got the floor back. She was stunned dumb. Then, to see Conrad giving her the LBJ treatment after the mikes went off was the frosting on the cake.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:05 AM
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26. mega agri-business is death to the family farmer...
we agree there, Bright!

looking up the bill now... will let you know what I find...
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:14 AM
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27. I'm having trouble finding it... do you have a bill #?
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 02:32 AM by Viva_La_Revolution
or the time of day this happened?

:hi:

edit: S.3991 maybe?
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:39 AM
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31. Let's see.
My orginal post on this is time stamped at 12:53 PST, so it would have had to been just before that time. They were just finishing up on the Feingold-Collins amendment and Daniel Akaka spoke for this bill, then Conrad. Then, all hell broke loose when Gregg and Hutchison stepped into it.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:52 AM
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32. 9:30 or so Eastern...
None of the Senate schedule pages update very fast... I'm not finding anything for today, so far. I'll try again tomorrow.

Thanks! :)
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:21 AM
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28. Thamks for this...
These kind of "honest" tactics are a win for America. I hope there'll be many more of these moments, so that America will see these pigs for what they really are ! PIGS !
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:24 AM
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29. Senator Conrad is Da Man!
:yourock:
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:31 AM
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30. This is gonna be fun. Thanks. NT
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 02:52 AM
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33. ha! that's great. (sorry i missed it) thanks for posting a p.m. edition n/t
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 03:03 AM
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34. I'll slip DU a Donation for a video link!
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:43 AM
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35. High dudgeon - A definition ---- (I had to look it up)
dudgeon \DUH-juhn\, noun:
A state or fit of intense indignation; resentment; ill humor -- often used in the phrase "in high dudgeon."
http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2003/01/11.html


Kudos, Longship, for a most excellent new phrase of the day.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:51 AM
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39. Kinda like "Reading the Riot Act"
:)
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 11:47 PM
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50. I had to look that one up too... lol
I love language... even if I don't grasp most of it. I swear, without the internet, I'd be an idiot. It's so wonderful to be able to read something and just copy and paste your way to enlightenment.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 08:49 AM
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37. the drought aid bill/admendment
has been brought up multiple times by the DEMS, and has been shot down by the REPUBS...

remember bush/cheney signs/bumper stickers proclaiming FARM & RANCH? When are these farmers and ranchers going to realize that when repubs talk about farm and ranch it doesn't apply to regular american's farm and ranch
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:19 AM
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40. bwahahahahahahaha hahaha
is all i can say. i fear i am about to become addicted to cspan.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:37 AM
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41. Hutchison is such a tool of big business. I loath and hate that woman...
It amazes me how she still maintains her job. She is a bain on Texas.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:57 AM
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42. WHY are they appropriating MORE Iraq recon. funds when the already-
approved funds are PARKED IN THE STOCK MARKET? Hello?

4/05

Of the $18.4 billion that Congess appropriated 16 months ago for postwar reconstruction in Iraq, only $3.6 billion has been spent to date. There has been much head-scratching over this uncharacteristic failure of the Pentagon to spend money promptly.

A recently unearthed portion of a Defense Department memo sheds some light on the issue, suggesting that more than $14 billion earmarked for reconstruction was actually invested on Wall Street. The memo’s author and date are unknown. This portion of the apparently classified document — marked “page 3” — was mistakenly sent to Mid-America Seed Savers, a nonprofit organization in Lawrence, Kansas whose members had filed a Freedom of Information Act request for documents related to the Army’s alleged distribution of genetically engineered wheat seed to farmers in Iraq. The memo fragment is reproduced here in full:

Reconstruction fund enhancement - p. 3

<…> that among these, the scenario with greatest potential was investment in a medium-risk portfolio of U.S.-based securities. To accomplish this without incurring excessive and unwarranted scrutiny, the Secretary issued a classified order creating the Office of Special Brokerage Services (OSBS), to which management of the reconstruction funds was assigned. The OSBS, quietly through third parties, purchased approximately $5 billion in stock in February, 2004. Another $9.2 billion was invested the following month. As of December 31, 2004, the fund had shown a net growth of approximately -1.7%.

http://www.discourse.net/archives/2005/04/iraq_billions_secretly_invested_in_us_stock_market.html
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 03:30 PM
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44. It's happening now
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:30 PM
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45. Anytime Kay B. Hutchison is upset
is a good day for me... My Senator... She never votes for the people's interest, never....
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:56 PM
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46. Huzzah! Huzzah! Fight, Dems, FIGHT!!!
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 06:27 PM by tom_paine
A good old fashioned Colonial HUZZAH! for the Dems.

It looks as if victory HAS poured a quart of fresh guts into Democratic Congressional gullets!

Just what I'd hoped!

Let see these folks get tougher (sensibly so, though...no need for revenge for it's own sake). God DAMN! have I been waiting for this moment.

I know it's unlikely, but how I'd love to see that CSPAN spot of Conrad verbally standing up to and crushing Hutchinson on YouTube or something.

Huzzah!

I am so proud to be an American at this moment...
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 06:44 PM
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48. That's awesome!!!
Let see if the Rethugs like that one. They will learn.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:12 PM
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49. Holy crap! I wish I could have watched! Will it be replayed?
Thanks for posting!
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 12:03 AM
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51. you know what you didn't need another vote but it felt good K&R for the good guys
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:57 AM
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52. Quatloos for Conrad Vid!
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HappyWeasel Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:29 PM
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53. Well, looks like our congress will not disappoint!!!
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:34 PM
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54. Just an early taste of what's coming, fascists
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 03:34 PM
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55. OUR COUNTRY FIRST
I know that, per bush, our country is responsible for the mess and destruction in Iraq. But is about damn time that our country is taken care of also. To appease bush's war machine they republicans are constantly and everlastingly promoting Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. Our farmers along with the rest of the country pay their taxes and deserve help when in need. Our money should go to help OUR NEEDY.

But you know what...Nothing absolute nothing is being replayed on network, or cable news. All they are showing is a fight within a courtroom and Emmitt Kelly winning the celebrity dance program. Again they are ignoring information concerning this country, if the democrats are involved.
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