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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:43 PM
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Carville: "I had lunch with Newt Gingrich today..."
Edited on Wed Nov-15-06 04:45 PM by Texas Explorer
What's the deal with this guy? Countless nights of pillow-talk with his wife got him brainwashed or something?

Carville was literally beaming as he described having lunch today with Gingrich saying "He's really in tune with American politics and what's going on out there."
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:44 PM
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1. Almost made me LOSE mine when he said that
Did he have Koolaid with his burger?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:46 PM
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2. That 's all I need to hear....
what's the deal on his ugly wife I quite sure she's involved in corruption somewhere down the line...
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:48 PM
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3. I lost all respect for Carville when he married...
...that useless twit Matalin. She's definitely warping his sense of reality.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:51 PM
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4. It's all a game to him. I doubt he has any closely held positions
or convictions... it's all about winning and beating the other guy.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:53 PM
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5. He attacks a real democrat like Dean and praises Gingrich
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:54 PM
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6. Another chance to post this!
http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/examples.newt.html">Propaganda Critic: Examples > How Newt Gingrich used these techniques

He may be more responsible than anyone for the divided country and dirty politics.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:57 PM
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7. I wonder if he quivered at Gingrich's feet like the good little puppy
he appears to be.

Carville praises the head Republican

and disses the head of the DNC

And the Democratic party pays that man's salary.

:shakeshead:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 04:58 PM
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8. hes gone to the other side and has been for a while I think
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:00 PM
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9. Donna Brazile claims that she and her "good friend" Rove have lunch
together every week.. :puke:

It;'s all just a grand game for these folks.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:01 PM
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10. Newtie's in tune?
Odd; I seem to recall that Mr. Gingrich thought the Republicans were going to take a hit on Election Day, but keep their majorities in both the House and Senate. If that's in tune, maybe he's in the wrong key?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:02 PM
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11. Carville went to the dark side long ago
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:02 PM
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12. GOD-DAMN that makes me mad!
And he presumes to tell us what's wrong with our party?!

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:03 PM
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13. Need we say more?
By the time all the DLCers have been done lying down with dogs--Carville/Newtie, Brazile/Rove, Hillary/Murdoch, Clinton/Poppy--they should be coated with fleas and have rabies too. This group will NOT get my support.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:49 PM
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20. Exactly - - the coverup wing of the Democratic party targeting the anti-corruption,
open government Democrats.

Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:07 PM
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And the Clintons lunch frequently with Rupert Murdoch.
n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:07 PM
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14. He be HYPMOTIZED by Beelzebubbah. nt
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:20 PM
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15. Carville needs to get himself to an MRI center for a brain-scan.
Seriously. There appears to be some major damage accumulating under his skull :(







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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:25 PM
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16. Star-struck, and still with a permanent-minority mindset.
Time to retire, Carville. And make sure you paid for your own lunch, or you'll get subpoenaed.
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MacGregor Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:30 PM
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17. Alright, Benedict Carville, that's more than enough from you...
Newt? In tune with what's going on out there? Sounds like someone's been taking Crazy Pills and it sure as shit hasn't been me.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:46 PM
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18. Maybe he'll end up as Newt's campaign manager.
:shrug:
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:49 PM
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19. I don't know what's up with him either...
...but I do have a suggestion.

We need to get Dems who are on shows with him to refer to him as "Mr. Matalin".

Should be fun watching him turn red, maybe even melting down or exploding on screen.

He deserves it IMO.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 05:50 PM
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21. James got mad at the troops for rejecting Joe LIEberman.
They want their party back...he and Newt!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 06:06 PM
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22. To quote Nigel of Spinal Tap:
"You can't fucking concentrate, because of your fucking
wife, simple as that, alright, it's your fucking wife! "
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:33 PM
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23. He acts like a conduit. Not a good thing, Rove is a conduit. Conduits
usually end up controlling everything, because they control the information between parties.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:35 PM
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24. Really in tune? Unlike Carville. And how in tune was Carville in Venezuela?
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 09:40 PM
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25. This is th eclearest indication yet that our populist revival (aka the 06 election)
needs to proceed post haste. We simply MUST bypass the powerbrokers and continue Dean's agenda of getting the grass roots educated, informed and involved - in all 50 states.

Carville and the rest of the DNC are so incestuously entwined, it is mandatory for average citizens to wrest power from these corrupt thugs.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-15-06 10:02 PM
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26. "He's really in tune with American politics and what's going on out there."
That certainly explains the bizarre comments against Dean and the DNC's success this election.

Wow. Just...wow.
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:41 AM
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27. People like Carville need to be purged from the Democratic party.
Edited on Thu Nov-16-06 02:44 AM by PinkyisBlue
He needs to go the way of Lieberman and Zell Miller. I would never trust a Democratic "strategist" married to a right-wing nut. What's that all about?

And any Democrat who extolls the virtues of Newt Gingrich is a traitor to the party.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:45 AM
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28. THEY snacked on cockroaches before eating raw human brains.
:D


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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 02:49 AM
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29. flip
flop
?

Is he going to the dark side? Brother James, come baaaaack...
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