You Might Think That Carville's Frothing Attacks Are Too Obvious To Be Hillary's Handiwork...

[MannyGoldstein]

But remember how obvious NAFTA and "free" trade with China were? They were obvious attacks on the Middle Class at the behest of the Predator Class - no other explanation made any sense at all, but it didn't stop the Clintons then - in fact, most people actually believed it was to help the workin' stiff! (Heck, even NOW some people think they were to help the workin' stiff :banghead:).

Hillary's proxy attacks on Dean may well end up working - let's work to make sure they don't. Make sure to raise the topic with friends and family, and point out that the attacks are only coming from the DLC, which LOST every Congressional election for the Dems in the 12 years they were in charge of the DNC. And that Carville thinks that Harold Ford, who couldn't even win his OWN election, should take over for Dean :crazy:.

Facts are to the DLC, as light is to vampires - make sure to use the facts liberally to give Ms. Clinton and the DLC the spanking they deserve.

[GreenTea]

1. Agreed. How do the masses of Dem liberals & progressives go about supporting Howard Dean?

[rinsd]

2. And so the smearing of Hillary begins

Hillary is now behind attacks via Carville on Howard Dean?

What a steaming load

[obnoxiousdrunk]

5. What you said ....

[LaPera]

6. It's the DLC, Carville who support Hillary...pay attention, and WHO supports the the DLC

Carville, Emmanuel = Hillary Clinton. She certainly does NOT support Howard Dean! You hear her speaking up in Dean's behalf...NEVER...She'll stay silent and let the boys do the dirty work.

[rinsd]

11. No, I don't see Hillary as supportive of Dean

But I also don't see this as Carville acting at her behest or on her behalf.

I see it as Carville being an ass and a poor sport.

"She'll stay slient and let the boys do the dirty work."

How is that any different from Dean loyalists attacking Hillary?

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Go Burn A Flag

Ooops! Hillary wants to put you in jail for that.

Nevermind.

[rinsd]

12. So does Murtha, who has anti-DLCers here swooning

He even has the bonus of being a Handmaid's Tale kind of guy!

So can we put put away our sharp objects now?

[VelmaD]

17. thank you...

for pointing out yet another reason why the Murtha hero-worship around here is misplaced at best.

[William769]

9. Smearing begins?

:rofl: They began awhile ago! As usual she will come out smelling like a rose (and good for her!) but all he people so deep in their own bullshit still smell.

[rinsd]

14. Well this specific smear anyway

;-)

Basically I saw this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2969828&mesg_id=2969828

And after making my comment, I see this thread we are commenting on.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. What goes around comes around. Why should you expect people to

defend her? She didn't feel any loyalty to defend Kerry. She smeared him, But nobody should smear her?

As ye sow...

Hey, she a good Senator and has a good voting record. Yeah I know, and I'm glad she's there. But she's a big girl and she should know better. She ain't Presidential material, that's for sure.

[KittyWampus]

20. This Carville/Clinton crap is the stupidest shit on DU in a long time. At this point

I wonder if it's orchestrated with someone who knows how to manipulate the rapid "DLCDLCDLC" people TRYING to get them to waste time with this irrelevant, meaningless crapola.

[MannyGoldstein]

22. It's VERY Relevant!

Look, Dean is the head of the DNC. The DLC is trying to eviscerate him.

What could be MORE relevant?

[John Q. Citizen]

3. After Hillary attacked Kerry I won't give her the benefit of the doubt. She

seized on the Repos talking points and cynically attacked a fellow Democrat.

This wasn't in a primary debate. This was right before the mid terms.

With friends like her....

[rsmith6621]

4. Its Time To Dismiss Hilary As A Viable Candidate

Lets just move on....let move past Clinton....Kerry.....anyone with a connection to the DLC..

But Let first move on past Carville.

[rodeodance]

8. I think what you are saying is pure speculation with nothing to back it up.

[sandnsea]

13. Connect the dots

Carville set Dean up on the money a month ago by dropping the million dollar loan into the media. He was already planning to scapegoat him. The list of how many of the wins actually came from Rahm is out there. We wouldn't have had so many wins without money across the country, not to mention so many close races that caused the RNC to fight where they didn't think they'd have to.

Then there was the HeyJohn attack and Hillary joining in on the 'joke' attack.

Immediately after the election, Carville starts in on Dean. Vilsack announces for President to help get the centrist 'heartland' DLC message out, not the populist message that won. Hoyer starts in on Murtha. The DLC endorses Hoyer.

The Democrats have a terrible time getting anything into the media, unless it's the centrist DC Democratic point of view. Or attacks on other Democrats from 'anonymous' sources.

It's as clear as it can be without Hillary releasing a statement.

[EFerrari]

24. What "centrist heartland" DLC? Is that their figleaf? I thought

they are the Wall Street, multinational DLC?

[sandnsea]

25. Figleaf, seems to me

Wouldn't you want somebody from Iowa covering your butt when you start blathering about free trade and the benefits of outsourcing?? I know I would. The Big Dog could sell the proverbial ice to eskimos, but Hillary ain't that good.

[wiley]

15. Completely disagree with yet another of your Hillary attacks.

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. Has Bill Clinton ever admitted that NAFTA was a mistake?

[rinsd]

18. Has Gore for that matter made any comment?

I figured that would be the final piece of his new populist image.

[Rainscents]

23. Gore didn't sign the bill... Bill did.

[rinsd]

28. Are you unaware of the Gore-Perot debate?

[creeksneakers2]

19. I don't see any evidence at all that the Clintons

have anything at all to do with Carville's attacks on Dean. A black and white view of NAFTA still does not connect to inter party politics a decade later.

[Geek_Girl]

21. I'm not a huge Hillary fan but

I just don't think the Clintons are that dumb to try and boot out Dean. If that happened Hillary would be to blame and it would be all over the MSM.

Hillary would loose major support among the party base and would have a very slim chance of getting the nomination.

[cali]

27. Then how come neither of the Clintons

have repudiated Carville's attacks on Dean? Don't you find that rather interesting?

[populistdriven]

26. Populist power put the Dems back in power and now corporatists are taking it away