Party Unity? Not while this shit is going on

[jgraz]

Moderate House Republicans, Dems could form coalition

Moderate House Republicans and Democrats may form a coalition, according to a Capitol Hill newspaper.

"In an effort to boost their influence in the sharply divided chamber, members of the moderate Republican and Democratic House factions indicated Wednesday that the two groups may coordinate efforts in the 110th Congress and could move to create a formal bipartisan coalition in the new session," Jennifer Yachnin and Susan Davis report for Roll Call.

Don't kid yourselves. While we celebrate our great electoral victory, the corporate wing of the corporate party is making sure that they keep hold on their offices and keep the money flowing.

Our fight just started last Tuesday.

[Nite Owl]

1. I'm getting a

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[bryant69]

2. It's an obvious move

And a seductive one was well. I think people would like to believe that congress can step back from the partisan rancor and work together - but of course such a step might also be a simplistic cover for a sell out.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[dogday]

3. These divisive posts do nothing to help

our cause... The link is broken and so is this thread.....

[jgraz]

4. And what exactly is "our cause"? Please, enlighten us...

[dogday]

5. To do the people's bidding

to enact laws to help the people and to investigate and indict anyone for their criminal behavior in our government... That is what the people voted for.... That is what we should be doing...

And who is us? I will enlighten you since you don't know....

[jgraz]

7. Keep track of this "centrist" coalition

And see if they do anything to further what you so vaguely define as "our cause". How can you indict the criminals if you ally yourself with the criminals' party??

And helping the people? Any bets on how these guys are gonna vote on universal healthcare, fixing NAFTA, closing corporate tax loopholes, repealing the bankruptcy bill, fixing medicare part D? No bet is necessary, cuz with these jokers in power the bills won't even make it to the floor.

[dogday]

8. Party is not even in power

and yet you bring up issues not yet created... Let them vote down the bills first before you attack.. .... :shrug:

[jgraz]

9. Good strategy -- let's attack *after* we lose

You should head up the Kerry 2008 campaign.

[dogday]

10. What makes you think we are going to lose?

Maybe you do with your doom and gloom attitude... Nobody wins according to you....

If i did head up the Kerry campaign, I would tell him to take a proactive stance on the issues and stick to it...


Not worry about being a loser like you think....

[jgraz]

13. If you think corporate lobbyists are "waiting for issues to be created" you're smoking crack

And if you think that waiting for the bills to be defeated is a winning strategy, you should really switch back to the crack.

[dogday]

14. Ah a personal put-down

always love it when people resort to the personal attacks. Try not to get too upset, just cuz I don't agree with you.... And I must get under your skin, thus the personal attack....

[jgraz]

17. bored now

I characterized your position as one that may be ill-advised, using a commonly-applied drug use metaphor. You thought that was a personal put-down? Puhlease -- you're doing fine on your own there.

(See, that last was a personal put-down, just in case you're still unclear on the concept)

[dogday]

22. I only feel pity when I see someone like

you who has the knowledge yet likes to spread it like shit.... You will make your point more by using honey than by using shit.... Try it next time....

I am very clear on the concept of your type of discussion, make no mistake about it... I do not have over 11,000 posts because I am not... I just grow tired of those who can't make their points without having to use negative condemnation upon a person when you get exasperated....

[GymGeekAus]

6. Party Unity not what Democrats are about.

We're about the debate, the dialogue, and the process. You know, the Democratic process.

If you all have your minds made up before those things occur, then you're a part of the problem.

Republicans march in lock-step. And wish they had on jack-boots. That's a consequence of their authoritarian psychologies, along with their refusal to examine the conservative ideology.

Democrats are supposed to have internal fights. And open minds. That's a consequence of pluralism. You know, the "big tent" philosophy.

When Republican unity starts to splinter, watch out! Like with this Trent Lott vote, where 25 of the Senators decided having an avowed racist in a leadership position was a good thing.

When Democratic disunity never presents, watch out! If the Democrats aren't debating and discussing something, either something is so terribly wrong that they all have to act immediately, or the media is withholding something from you. Democratic partisan unity usually points to an existing coup. ;)

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Oh...you'll just LOVE this article.

Have your blood pressure medicine handy.:(


http://www.comcast.net/news/politics/index.jsp?cat=POLITICS&fn=/2006/11/15/521461.html

[jgraz]

12. I'm much more interested in House Intelligence Committee Chair

Alcee Hastings will be a huge mistake, especially after Dems won - at least in part - on an anti-corruption landslide.

[Zhade]

15. anyone who thought just having a majority was all we needed...

...hasn't been paying attention to the problems still present in the party.

[GymGeekAus]

16. Lack of hegemony is not a problem.

It's a strength.

Blind obedience, that's a problem. It's even got a name. Authoritarianism.

Google that one, and have a nice night. :)

[Zhade]

18. I don't have a problem whatsoever with dissent.

Clearly, you didn't understand my point, or I expressed it poorly.

[GymGeekAus]

21. Feel free to express your concerns then.

I'll read them.

[madmusic]

19. Excerpts from article:

According to Matheson, the moderate coalitions are most likely to work together on pro-growth and fiscal legislation, while Kirk cited issues such as expanding stem-cell research and portions of the “Suburban Agenda,” an effort spearheaded by Kirk that includes legislation to stop online sexual predators and improve access to health care.

“At this point, we’re starting a dialogue,” Kirk said in an interview Wednesday, adding that the recent influx of new moderate Democrats elected last Tuesday will bolster opportunities to govern “from the political center.”

Kirk said the two groups will hold a luncheon to swap legislative agendas when Congress returns the week of Dec. 4. There they will discuss the possible creation of a new bipartisan caucus that Kirk dubbed the “Tuesday Dogs.”

Could the "Suburban Agenda" be Internet policing? Maybe a keylogger on every computer dialing home to Homeland Security.

Politicians are so predictable.

[Ignacio Upton]

20. Well Lieberman is still available

So bipartisan could mean work between Republicans and members of the Connecticut for Lieberman Party.