I think Gore/Clark would be unbeatable in 2008.

[Elwood P Dowd]

How in hell are they going to swiftboat those two? A former senator and VP that served in Vietnam running with a retired and highly decorated Army General. Those two have been under the microscope for years. They would probably flip a couple of southern states along with Ohio. Who do the repubs have that could compete with those two? Hell, they might even take Texas and Florida and turn the election into a rout. What do you think?

[Art_from_Ark]

1. I'd have no problems whatsoever with that ticket

Gore/Clark 2008-- Because America needs to be brought back from the brink

[Horse with no Name]

2. Sadly they won't take Texas

We were one of the only states that sent all of our crooks back to Washington.
But I agree. That is the strongest ticket we could offer.

[sweetladybug]

6. I think Gore/Clark will be the winning ticket in 2008

I live in TN and people are telling me (that have never been interested in politics) that they will campaign for Gore IF he runs in 2008.

[Clark2008]

24. I live in Tennessee and I hear that about Clark. eom

[Elwood P Dowd]

8. I live in Alabama

and at this point in time I think a Gore/Clark ticket would have an outside chance at making it close. If it were not for the brainwashed Southern Baptists, Gore/Clark could win this state. In the past few months I've heard nothing but negative talk about the current repub leadership.

[BamaGirl]

42. I do too

and I agree. I'd love to see this ticket. They might have a chance in hell here in Alabama, and I don't see anyone else that does.

[gauguin57]

53. Isn't it amazing ... "brainwashed Southern Baptists" ... and Gore IS one!

They're brainwashed against one of their own!

Well, he's a baptist, at least (I think he and Tipper left the "southern" convention after attending for decades cuz it had just gotten too radical-right).

[Arkana]

66. Not all of them--you put Lampson in Delay's seat.

Isn't that an accomplishment?

[elehhhhna]

67. Baloney, Horse. WE SENT NICK.

TX BLUE 22 will send him again in '08. Bank on it.

[Old and In the Way]

3. Sounds good to me. I can support that.

We'll need Clark's skills to finesse us out of this mess in Iraq. Too bad we have to wait two friggen' years before it could happen.

[zulchzulu]

4. "How in hell are they going to swiftboat those two?"

How little you know.

They are ruthless cut throats. If you think they couldn't "swift boat" either of them, you have a LOT to learn. I ain't gonna give away any ammo, but I sure know what they would do...and it ain't pretty.

It's just a matter on who strikes back the hardest with the best lies that stick on the wall. Welcome to Politics 101, 2008 style.

[rocktivity]

5. Gore will be typecast like Kerry--an inconsistent overgrown hippie

who can't stand up for himself. Gore would really have to project a tougher, more agressive image.

:headbang:
rocknation

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. And those who do decide to vote for Gore that didn't before,

will say that Gore finally changed and matured enough to be presidential.

So, what was their excuse for voting for dimwit son?

[wiggs]

7. I'm down with that. The pendulum will swing.... public will crave a

potus with intelligence and integrity and an administration that will not treat our country like a leather slave

(analogy by his Rudeness)

[OffWithTheirHeads]

9. My dream team! nt.

[mdmc]

10. not tx or fl, but I hear ya

:kick:

[Shakespeare]

11. Uh-uh. Gore/Obama.

Clark as Secretary of State.

[Dawgs]

37. Absolutely!!

If we can find a way to present Clark as part of the ticket (SOS), then Gore/Obama/Clark would be unstoppable.

[ripple]

49. Not bad, but I like Obama at the head of the ticket

and either Clark or Gore as VP. Both Gore and Clark have excellent vision for the country, but Obama simply has more charisma to sell the message.

[arewenotdemo]

12. Absolutely! Let it be so (my prayer to the Universe).

[politicasista]

13. You think the media will go easy on them?

If you think they or any other candidate is above the swiftboating smears of the GOP and media, then you are in for a rude awakening.

It's the corporate media stupid.

JMHO from a Gore/Clark person.

[dysfunctional press]

14. still waaay too early to think about an '08 ticket.

talk to me in a year or so.

[davidwparker]

15. Me too. It would shut up the GOP about Dems and defense in the

same way that Allen could not use defense to beat over the head of Webb.

[sweetheart]

16. r

[Tatiana]

17. I think we could take TN and VA with that ticket.

At this point in time, Texas is hopeless. But I bet we'd definitely be competitive in southern states like Oklahoma, North Carolina, Arkansas, Louisiana, the Carolinas and (yes!) Florida.

[orleans]

18. not gore/zell miller? uh oh. better tell carville! n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

19. Gore/Feingold '08 baby!! nt

[Apollo11]

20. Gore is the best person for the job

Great to see that the pro-Gore buzz is alive and thrivin' here on D.U. B-)

It's not too early for us to start showing Al Gore how much we would love him to be our candidate in 08.

The discussion about who should be his running mate is pure speculation at this point.

Given their differences on the whole Iraq issue - I am pretty sure it won't be Joe next time around (although I understand the reasons why Gore made this choice back in 2000).

I hope that Wes Clark will play a leading role in the next Dem administration. In my dream scenario that Gore gets the Presidency, then Clark would make a fine VP, Sec. of State or Sec. of Defense.

For ideas on how you can help with making a Gore candidacy more likely, check out these pro-gore sites:
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com
www.draftgore2008.org
www.patriotsforgore.com
www.climatecrisis.net

In Gore We Trust :-)

[lildreamer316]

21. Gore is it. Period.

I dunno if there is anything to dig up on Clark, I wouldn't think so..but I think Gore almost unbeatable.

[cassiepriam]

23. Yes, people want a known commodity.

And no more mentally ill alcoholics ruining the world.

[Clark2008]

25. Voicing my contention here: I think it's a waste of Clark's talents

to place him in the VP position.

He should be president or secretary of state.

[Onlooker]

26. No way

As much as I admire Gore, he had his shot, and he did not show the philosophical fortitude necessary to win. I think if he got another chance, he'd either overreach or once again allow himself to be too influenced by his campaign staff. He lacks the nuance needed to appeal to a broad set of Americans. As far as Clark goes, I don't understand his appeal. Though he gave some great interviews the last time he competed, he also showed that he did not do his homework. I remember several almost embarrassing episodes where seemed ill-prepared for questions. I felt he lacked intellectual discipline; i.e., he didn't study enough. He might be okay as a VP, but he's nothing great.

[Cooley Hurd]

28. Gore won...

It's true - look it up.:hi:

[Onlooker]

29. No he didn't

(1) It shouldn't have been nearly so close and (2) He didn't fight hard enough or smart enough in Florida. That said, I like Gore very much, not only his movie and his book, but those of his speeches I've heard on YouTube.

[Cooley Hurd]

30. Widespread voter disenfranchisement, thanks to Katherine Harris...

...was NOT Gore's fault.

Here's a good rundown of what happened:

http://www.bushwatch.com/gorebush.htm

[Onlooker]

31. I'm completely familiar with what happened

But, he shouldn't have even needed Florida to win. Instead he ran a faily wishy washy campaign, adopted a sanctimonious attitude that stopped him from using Bill Clinton (who had approval ratings in the 60s), and spelled out an uninspired message. He lost against a weak opponent.

[Cooley Hurd]

32. I, too, recall what happened...

The media poisoned the well by concocting stories about Gore's truthfulness. He stayed away from Big Dog because the Bush campaign made Clinton their central argument for change ("restore honor & dignity, yada, yada.."). As far as his "uninspiring message" goes, "I" was inspired a great deal, as was most everyone I knew. It was the media who called him "wooden," etc...

It's easy to pontificate about Gore 6 years later, but, at the time, the media went above and beyond to slander him. Despite that, he STILL got the majority of the popular vote.

[ruggerson]

38. He simply is unelectable

He allowed the fuckheads to "frame" him and a majority of Americans have a fixed impression of him as a pedantic, sing-song, smarter-than-the-rest-of-the-class dweeb.

Presidential politics is highly personalized. People pretend they vote on the issues primarily, but they don't. They vote on the person - they vote for the individual who inspires trust, confidence, the person who makes them feel SAFE.

Gore is a witty, intelligent man. But, he comes across on television as a kind of odd duck with a weird personality. We may not like it, but some people project confidence and leadership and warmth and others don't, and it quite often has nothing to do with the reality of what they are truly like as human beings.

[tom_paine]

27. Yes they would. And I would work my ass off for that ticket!

Gore should be given the seat he rightfully earned.

What could be more American than demanding that which was stolen should be returned.

[H2O Man]

34. I agree. n/t

[jhain]

33. would be my DREAM TEAM n/t

[ruggerson]

35. Gore has the same problems Kerry has

Repeatedly in polls, 55% of the country tells pollsters they would "Never" vote for him for President. Gore and Kerry have higher negatives than even Hillary.

Why would any sane party want to run someone who has that kind of handicap before the game even begins?

I think Al Gore is a terrific human being, but the harsh reality is that more than a majority of Americans do not want to vote for him for President, a salient fact that keeps getting ignored by some DU'ers, who approach presidential politics with blinders on.

[LWolf]

36. That ticket does not generate any enthusiasm for me.

I could enthusiastically work for Gore. I could support Clark for a cabinet position. I am not going to work for a ticket that he is on, though.

If I am not enthusiastic about the ticket, I may cast a vote for it, but that's it. I won't spend time and money pretending to be excited when I'm not. I will also not accept blame for not getting excited about others' choices. I don't think there is such a thing as "unbeatable." Or "unelectable," for that matter. Nothing is ever that simplistic. There are many possible tickets that have potential for success. That's as far as I'll go.

[loyalsister]

39. And Clark runs in 2016?

Seriously? It's smarter to have someone younger in the VP slot.

[rocktivity]

44. I agree--that's why I prefer Clark/Obama in '08

followed by Obama in '16.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Bucky]

58. False argument.

I don't think the Democrats are so short on talent that we can only find two "presidential calibre" candidates for any given 8 year time slot. After all, the current president isn't going to be succeeded in office by his Giapetto. But more importantly, the top priority is getting a Democratic slate elected in the first place past half a dozen hostile news networks and a full dozen swiftboatish smear campaigns. Counting vice presidential chickens before they hatch seems to be an inferior consideration.

Fight today's battles today and tomorrow's battles tomorrow.

[loyalsister]

61. I'm not so sure about the invincibility

"After all, the current president isn't going to be succeeded in office by his Giapetto."

Currently they are basically scrambling to fill their open slot. And the next election season will be muddied by an ugly primary for them.

Meanwhile, the young up and coming candidate may have a light primary challenge, but comes out of the gate strong and focused on the General Election. While the Republicans battle each other in primaries.

We need to groom young candidates and plan for the future if we want to stay in the WH.

[OnionPatch]

40. Sounds great, but....

I really don't think he's going to run. :(

[Red Right and BLUE]

41. MY DREAM TICKET! nt

[fhqwhgads]

43. gore/clark would be nice but...

...the msm portrays gore as a retread (along with kerry). they'll break out all the old hits from 2000 for him. and they'll figure out a way to swiftboat general clark.

besides, the media has gone out of its way to fellate mccain and giuliani, so i don't even know if they have to swiftboat gore/clark.

i'm thinking our best hope might be something like clark/obama. just spitballing.

[smoogatz]

45. In '08, both sides will relentlessly swift-boat each other--

regardless of who the candidates are. It's Karl Rove's great gift to American politics. Thanks, Turd-blossom.

On edit: Gore/Clark sounds great. Where do I send my donation?

[rocktivity]

46. The difference is, Clark would FIGHT BACK

--both the Rethugs AND the media--which Kerry and Gore didn't do. And the Rethugs know it. That why the MSM is ignoring him, the way they ignored Dean in '04.

:headbang:
rocknation

[smoogatz]

47. The best way to fight swift-boating, I'm afraid, is to beat the other guy

to the punch--and make him defend himself against innuendo and baseless insinuation before he makes YOU do it. Dems would do well to start swift-boating the top Repub contenders NOW--if you discredit McCain and Giuliani beofre the primaries begin (and with Allen apparently out of the picture, having swift-boated himself), you force the Repigs to field 2nd and 3rd-tier candidates--and few of them are likely to do well in a national election. We want to run against Brownback, not McCain.

[rocktivity]

54. DING DING DING! Smoogatz, you're our grand prize winner!

...(D)iscredit McCain and Giuliani before the primaries begin...(and)...you force the Repigs to field 2nd and 3rd-tier candidates...

And best of all, swiftboating THEM would be child's play! McCain--free-thinking maverick or goosestepping Bushbot? And if Kerry's being a pro-choice, pro-gay Catholic was a problem, how can the Repubs justify Guiliani's getting away with it?

:headbang:
rocknation

[madokie]

48. You bet

[Jennicut]

50. Gore is my first choice, followed by Clark

I just don't understand when people say "Gore had his chance". He won the popular vote, second in percentage to only Ronald Reagan. I won't even get into the Florida debacle. I am tired of people harping on his "wooden" image too. The media disliked Gore because he didn't play their games and massage their egos. They wanted to have a beer with Chimpy instead and we can all see how that turned out. Even if Gore didn't win in 2008, if he ran a campaign without fear of his opponets or media and with nothing to loose he could at least inject some straightalk into a race that sadly will become dull with lots of insults back and forth. Hillary said this, McCain or Rudy said that. Uggg. I don't want to go through that kind of pandering. Lots of power hungry people have thrown their names into the race so far but we all that they could care less about the people or the state of this country. At least Gore cares as shown by his activism as a regular citizen. I like Obama, John Edwards, and Clark as well but Obama and Edwards have no experience and Clark is still not that well known. Its up to Gore to throw his hat in the ring one last time and I hope he does.

[Marnieworld]

51. No arguement here

It's the Dream ticket. :patriot:

[Marnieworld]

52. No arguement here

It's the Dream ticket. :patriot:

[mom cat]

55. OK Clarkies. I seriously want to know how Clark feels about the use

of depleted uranium and its use under his command in Kosovo. Will he work to ban this hideous weapon or play politics to avoid any criticism of its use? I seriously want an answer.

[BootinUp]

56. As far as I know

he defers to the Pentagon and scientists to determine by consensus that there is an issue that needs to be addressed. Clark is not anti-science. But neither is he a knee jerk politican that would try to take advantage of the cause celeb of the left regardless of the facts.

I do recall he offered to bring serious studies on the issue up with the right people. But at this point there are no government sponsored studies that agree with your characterization. And I don't believe there are peer reviewed scientific papers that do either.

War zones will always contain hazardous materials, just like there are hazardous materials in our everday lives. The question is how hazardous is it really. To date the answer is not as much as you think.

[Bucky]

57. The last I heard (December '05) he's keeping his options open. Here's the transcript

In an online discussion on his website, Clark said that his most recent info was that DU wasn't dangerous. Background: in January '04 he was confronted in an on-street interview by Democracy Now (from the transcript it seems to be a surprise interview he didn't know was coming). His position on DU there is never fleshed out, as the interviewer quickly moved on to an alleged war crime (the bombing of one of Milosevic's TV stations which resulted in either 6 or 16 civilian deaths).

JEREMY SCAHILL: In Yugoslavia, you used cluster bombs and depleted uranium...

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: Sure did.

JEREMY SCAHILL: I want to know if you are president, will you vow not to use them.

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: I will use whatever it takes that's legal to protect the men and women against force.

JEREMY SCAHILL: Even against civilians in the Nis marketplace? Why bomb Radio Television Serbia? Why did you bomb Radio Television Serbia? You killed 16 media workers, sir.

Scahill moved on and seems not to have come back to the topic of DU. So 23 months later someone asked Clark directly about DU and this is posted on his website:

Submitted by Sybil Liberty on December 19, 2005 - 5:38pm.

General Clark will you please give us your current opinion... regarding the use of depleted uranium?

edit: The question of the use of depleted uranium arises at certain blogs repeatedly. It would be helpful to have an updated statement from you sir.

(why that question was worthy of rating down in someone's eyes is beyond me)

Submitted by Wes Clark on December 19, 2005 - 6:31pm.

I've answered this before, No, I don't have anything new on it. I'm going to go back to DoD and see if they've done any new research. Everything we had up to a year or two ago said DU had no significiant impact.

He's open to see what the science says. Given his history of candor in the past, I think this is a good sign that he'll do the right thing. I'm not educated about DU tipped bullets, mostly because I think that issue is secondary to slowing down the deployment of all bullets.
full discussion

[Burma Jones]

59. Yeah, but you believe in giant rabbits......

I guess I do too, because those two are my favorite Presidential Candidates......

[lutefisk]

60. I'm convinced those two will best survive the GOP-Media attacks

Gore has just about everything on his side at this point. Apart from the moronic and gullible 30% that will support their GOP team till the end, the whole country realizes that Gore was right about pretty much everything in 2000. Neither Gore nor Clark are going to roll over for the Corporate Media GOP attack machine in 2008. Gore is pissed and he's on a mission to save the damn planet.

I say GORE-CLARK 2008!

[samsingh]

62. i agree - and that would be awesome

[garybeck]

63. that is also my pick

[byronius]

64. I'm in.

[LaraMN]

65. That's my dream ticket... n/t

[chaska]

68. That just sounds so damn GOOD!

[mistertrickster]

69. Gore / Obama, even better nt

[geniph]

70. That's what I've been saying since 2004

when Kerry broke my heart by choosing John Edwards instead of Wes Clark for his running mate. I think that made the difference that made the election close enough for the cabal to steal.

[SKKY]

71. I think the winning ticket is going to be Bayh/Warner...

...Mark Warner dropped, I think anyway, to make himself a candidate for Vice. Bayh hasn't even begun to campaign, but when he does, watch out. They
don't call him the Kennedy of Indiana for nothing.

[SKKY]

72. I hate to break the news folks, but Clark isn't a guarantee for the military vote...

...there are many, many in the military who don't like him. If it's McCain, he'll get something like 175% of the military vote. People in the military don't
care he sold is soul to Bush. He's an icon.

[Greyhound]

73. Gets my vote, but I'd flip the ticket. Clark foreign policy, Gore domestic policy. n/t

[SoCalDem]

74. Or Gore-Boxer?

a woman Vice president just might work in '08

[Rainscents]

75. My dream ticket!

[roguevalley]

76. Clark would be a nice fit for Alaska. We love our military here.