Carville on Stephanie Miller now (10:36 a.m. EST)

[Armstead]

Saying Dean "flinched" by not spending all the Democrats money on this election.

That's his big buzzword.

Sniping at local organization efforts. "WE don't need some kid from Amherst coordinating outreach."

[waiting for hope]

1. Fuck Him.....

As a Democratic Strategist, why can't the little cone head be joyful, positive and excited about what happened last Tuesday - Oh yeah, I forgot who he's married too!:sarcasm:

[LSK]

2. stream link here

http://64.182.248.162:8230/

[John Q. Citizen]

3. Carville is pissed cause he can't get a job. n/t

[LSK]

4. maybe he should start making sense....

Might help his job prospects.

[originalpckelly]

5. If he's right, I think Dean is stupid...

Who the hell leaves $6 million unused when we had so many close seats?

I still don't like CarVILE, but that's the source of his complaint.

[Coexist]

6. people who have to run a business like the DNC in the "off" years

until the next election cycle.

Would you rather be in debt like the republicans are - racing to get to 0, instead of implementing more infrastructure before the 2008 race?

[originalpckelly]

8. Didn't we still take out loans?

That's a single dollar from 6 million people. I think we could pull that out.

[Coexist]

14. Did we? You tell me - you might want to read this

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/paulyblog/2006/11/howard_dean_for_president.htm

We won big.

Emanuel could have dumped more money of the DCCC's - especially since, that is his particular JOB.

and please read this - even better:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2738781
"As the Chair of the North Carolina Democratic Party, I cannot disagree more strongly with your recent comments regarding Governor Dean. For the past 20 months, we have benefited from having regional field directors across this state, organizing, building, and implementing ground plans. The results here in North Carolina were tremendous.

While your focus seems to be exclusively upon congressional and senatorial races, I'm concerned about all of the races-- including down ballot races. Because of the work of these regional field directors, we elected Sheriffs and county commissioners in some of the reddest of counties. We increased our control of the state house by 5 seats (now 68-52) and of the state senate by 2 seats (now 31-19). We elected Heath
Shuler to Congress, with one currently undecided potential pickup seat. These down ballot races are particularly important to future electoral successes.

There is no institution-- other than the DNC-- that is charged with the task of building the Party in the long-term (rather than focusing exclusively on the current election). Howard Dean understands, correctly, that we need to have an infrastructure in place that creates continuity between elections, allowing for the Party's expansion."

[originalpckelly]

16. I'm not really against Governor Dean PhD, but if CarVILE is telling the truth...

about the loans, it was stupid. It is a mistake, but obviously not one that is fatal.

[Armstead]

18. It's Doctor Dean MD, btw

[KoKo]

29. Don't you remember Schumer and Emmanuel started a Campaign to force

Howard Dean, M.D. to give more money to the Campaigns and Dean said he'd take out loans if he needed to as races came alive that we had a chance of winning.

It was a big deal here on DU when Schumer and Emmanuel went after Dean.

[Armstead]

7. Long view Vs. Short term

Dean is taking the long view. Carville is taking the short term view.

Dean's approach will be better in the long run, and make the Democratic Party more grassroots.

Carville seems to have the corporate mentality that you spend, spend,spend so that you remaion in hock to Big Money.

[LSK]

9. Katherine Harris and Ken Blackwell

Perhaps we were going to need the money for long legal proceedings????

Ever think of that maybe?

[blm]

12. Did Carville blame McAuliffe for letting party infrastructure COLLAPSE in every red and swing

state for four years while he spent all that DNC money in Washington instead of on the weak party infrastructure during the 2002 and 2004 election cycles?

Dean had to work on party INFRASTRUCTURE problems for the entire two years just to get a leg up on 2006.

The DC strategists are FULL OF SHIT - they blame EVERYONE ELSE for THEIR failed strategy of targeting states since 1995 and the same crew advised standing down on Alito, fer chrissakes - they are WORTHLESS - and worse - THEY are the ones who damaged this country and in some cases INTENTIONALLY.

Dean needs another two years to build on the infrastructure that HE has been working to turnaround from its utter collapse.

[dollydew]

23. We won

Exactly right BLM. Carville is full of it. Coulda, Woulda, shoulda. If Mr. Carville is so brilliant than why didn't the Democratic party win using his "targeted races strategy"? As soon as Dr. Dean proves we can win with his 50 state strategy it's a failure? Well we coulda won 50 seats. He knows this how? Using the Magic Eight Ball? I have emailed him my opinion. You might want to contact him at : [e-mail]. What is wrong with these so-called Democrats? When the Republicans win do you see them going public to tear each other apart? No. They crow about their victories and proceed to promote their ideology. Good grief James C. Get a grip. You no longer run the show. Get over it.

[LTR]

17. Some money needs to be kept around

They need money to wrap up campaigns, get ready for the next election cycle and retain lawyers 'just in case'.

I have no problem with that. And Carville's whining is nothing more than Beltway dick swinging. He's just trying to get back a little of the limelight. Still, he is making an ass of himself, and he should just shut up already and get on with his life.

[kentuck]

10. Maybe he's fearful the Democrats will investigate the WHIG in the WH?

Oh, but his dear wife was part of that little conspiracy??

[LeftishBrit]

11. Maybe I'm missing something...

but what are all his complaints about anyway? You WON, didn't you? And bigger than expected? So why is he bitching?

[LSK]

13. Senator Durbin on now

[DiverDave]

15. He's another corporatist

Dean is for US you fucken moron, not for the corporate money.
Idiot, 50 state strategy WORKS!

He's another fuckin tool of big business...he don't give a shit about you and me, he's all for the DLC and the big money donors.
Asshole.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

20. What Carville was whining about was that the DNC has a $10 million

line of CREDIT and Dean ONLY used $4 million of it. Dean went for a $4 million debt instead of a $10 million. Jeez, I'm not crazy about starting '08 in a $10 million hole. But that's just me, a crazy, fiscally responsible Dem.

I'm all for taking every seat we can but do we really think bankrupting the party to do it is worth it? We have a monster campaign coming up with stakes that are higher than at any time in our history looming on the horizon. We need to work smart, play strategically. If Carville thinks 10 more seats in the house will suddenly make the repugs roll over and play dead during the 2008 elections, he is smoking dope.

We have to think ahead. We have to take back state houses to undo the gerrymandering, we have to groom on a local level candidates the future party leaders, we have to fight in all 50 states and Dean is doing all of that. Rock on Howard - the grassroots are behind you.

[dflprincess]

30. This was a win win for Carville.

Right now he's bitching that Dean didn't spend enough money. BUT, if Dean had used up the entire $10 million I'll bet Carville would be whining that Dean drove the party deeply into debt and should be replaced for that reason.


Carville (along with the rest of the DLC) is dead to me.

[librechik]

31. Carville's point is so petty

we didn't win big enough??? This seems just Bizarre and unreasonable, and as such I have to suspect Carville's motives. WTF is his real problem???? Was Dean TOO successful, making the DLC of the last decade look like LOSERS???

I wonder...

[AnnInLa]

19. Someone "clarify" me

Didn't Dean's org borrow 10 million, only spent 4 million, and now has a smaller debt to pay off? How exactly did that borrowing thing work?

[blogslut]

21. Is Stephanie gonna

correct Carville's spin?

[RSchewe]

22. His focus on money is pure CRAP, big money incumbents sat on loads of cash...

and did not pony up money to help on other campaigns. Why don't he ask Hillary how much she shelled out for close races? The money that these Dems that had tons of extra cash in uncontested races DWARFS what the DNC had available.

http://jerome-armstrong.mydd.com/story/2006/11/8/151130/399

This is nothing but the Establishment attacking the grassroots. Period, end of story.

They hear the footsteps coming and they are fearing obsolescence. Like you always hear people say: This is the sound of a dying dinosaur.

[RSchewe]

24. How about the "Deadbeat Dems"? Was he bitchin' to them?

Check this list out:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/25/14436/0325

or

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/031406/news1.html


Compare that to the efforts of the Republicans.

[MoonRiver]

25. He needs to just shut his putrid pie hole!

And why is he being given a megaphone by Stephanie Miller? :mad:

[PlanetBev]

26. I'm gonna be at the University of Judaism tonight

watching Stephanie interview Cueball. I'll post a report to all of you afterward.

[ieoeja]

27. Oceania has always been our friend.

For two years he and the other Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs have been blasting the theme "Dean is not raising enough money" and "Dean is spending too much money". Now they are claiming "Dean did not spend enough money".

You know, one could almost get the impression they are just trying to spin negatively about Dean.

[Beacho]

28. WE don't need some kid from Amherst coordinating outreach

No, because that would cut into the limo rentals and cocktail parties the Marie Antionette wing of the party used to enjoy under Mcauliffe.

Under DLC rule outreach was nonexistent, in fact outreach was discouraged so to minimize the threat of anyone rocking the boat and tipping over the tray of cocktail weenies.

That's what offends the DLC the most about Dean, he hangs out with the peasants and gives them the tools to use the party to empower themselves.