Let me get this straight Carville

[matcom]

are you the SAME Carville that BLEW 2004? the SAME Carville who put a garbage can on his head LIVE ON CNN out of embarrassment after you said the election was "in the bag"?

you remember the '04 elections don't you James? the one that YOU WERE IN CHARGE OF???

the one YOU LOST?

if you ARE the same James Carville, it looks to THIS DEMOCRAT like Howard Dean just KICKED YOUR FUCKING ASS in the business of Delivering Elections.

but that is just me James :eyes:

[Gruenemann]

1. Touche'

Thanks; I needed that!

[Hugin]

2. Hear! Hear!

As tired as I am of the Right Wing Blowhards... I'm more tired of duplicitous backbiters.

[blm]

3. Carville wasn't with Kerry- he was advising "collapse party infrastucture" McAuliffe

and the one feeding privileged Dem campaign info to Mary Matalin at the WH on election evening.

If the party infrastructure hadn't been left to collapse (by the Clinton era 'targetted states' strategy) in red and swing states since the mid90s, we'd have a President Gore in his second term right now.

[applegrove]

4. I think the point that Dems should have done even better given the

climate of corruption, failed war, lies, homophobia, katrina, bullying and fear left by the repukes....is a good point. I wish they'd all talk about this in private. But Dems did okay. The country should have looked like a complete blue washout instead of a purple haze that it is.

[ZENmud]

5. From Switzerland...

Following Bartcop, Buzzflash and DemoUnder religiously, and I have to add: I didn't see Carville's name once (unless I've ignored him) in the last three months, until!

All of a sudden he's out on a rampage against Dean. I have no problem if he's trying to get back into work after being laid low by his wife's team, but he should have been supporting the DEAN team earlier. IOW: I'd like to see evidence of correspondence between Carville and Dean/DemNatComm showing what Carville's insinuating, and what the Dean response was...

Other than that, I'd dismiss him.

Never forget the power of the media to sway your thinking into its framework on any issue...

[xchrom]

10. this ''outburst'' by carville is by design.

not an emotional hissy fit.

carville is doing someones dirty work -- emmanuel or clinton{hillary} -- someone.

and that's how it should be viewed.

the dem party is going to have to absorb that lot of ordinary people did a yeomans job to get democrats elected -- i.e. mcnerny in cali.

difficult for established people to realize such a large element as citizen driven politics has been introduced into the party.

[justinaforjustice]

13. Do You Really Take Advice from This Guy?

Carville's web site http://www.carville.info/> lists Senator Frank Lautenberg, Senator Edward Kennedy and Senator Joe Kennedy (sic) as being among his clients. There is no Senator Joe Kennedy, but as there is a Representative Patrick Kennedy I figured I'd write him too, just in case Carville had a confused a Patrick for a Joe and a Representative for a Senator.

I wrote to Senators Lautenberg and Ted Kennedy asking if they really are Carville's clients and, if so, whether they wouldn't like to publicly disavow Carville's attacks on Dean. Its easy to send them an e-mail through .

As for Representative Patrick Kennedy, I wrote to him to say that his grandfather and/or great uncle were listed as Carville clients, and wouldn't he like to publicly disavow Carville's remarks on their behalf. Its hard to send Patrick Kennedy an e-mail through congress.org unless you use a Rhode Island zip code in your "return" address, but there is a zip code number clearly printed within Representative Kennedy's Rhode Island office address, although I know you wouldn't want to cheat and enter that zip in place of your own.

Oh, Zell Miller is listed as a Carville client too, but I didn't bother writing to him as I am quite sure that Zell is delighted to see anyone attack Dean and everyone else in the Democratic Party.

Bill Clinton is also listed as a Carville client, but there is no e-mail address for him through congress.org. Does anyone out there have an e-mail address for Bill?. Curiously, Hillary is not listed as a Carville client, but you can send her an e-mail letter anyway through congress.org to ask whether she agrees with Carville's crap.

Which reminds me to report that web Karma is already at work against Carville. When I googled "carville.com", Google replied "Don't you mean crapville.com?" Well, yes, that does describe him quite accurately.

[xchrom]

14. thanks. i followed your lead.

[Red Zelda]

6. Carville is so over

[underpants]

7. Pro wrestling

The DLC wants to turn politics and governing into pro wrestling-where your good guy goes against their bad guy and it never ends and there is no resolution nothing ever actually happens.

This really is the plan of the Clinton wing no matter what Bill is saying now about only doing "what works" in terms of policy. I don't buy into the thing about the Bush's and Clinton's just trading the White House back and forth for a while. I do believe that the DLC has made it very clear that they want to partition off certain groups (you take small businesses and we will take minorities and unions) and then fight it out over the upper middle class. Both in fund raising and voting this is the DLC plan.

Nothing happens that way. The outsourcing and the corporate welfare continues (neo-liberalism) and there is plenty of yelling and shouting but nothing actually happens. As long as the yuppies and the pretend to be rich are happy everything is just fine.

Howard has other plans. If you haven't yet read Webb's "Class warfare" piece in the editorials forum you should.

[Hugin]

8. .

Did you just write this?

It's very good. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[underpants]

12. Yeah

and thanks

It is something that I have been working on for the last few days. Watching Fox used to be at least amusing but now I see through the whole thing now. The whole thing is complete misinformation and the funny part is :hide: it isn't working-the hardly covered corruption of the Repubs was in the top 2 of every single exit poll. The masses are getting it.

[Buzz Clik]

9. Carville lost in 2004? LOL!

How the hell did Carville lose the election in 2004?

Was he running for Prez? No
VP? No
Was he chair of the DNC? No

What a ridiculous continuation of this very tired subject.

[WI_DEM]

11. yeah, that's him.

[MoonRiver]

15. Yes, it's that same LOSER.

But I'm sure Mary has so emasculated him that he bears only a faint resemblance to his former (sane) self.