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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:54 PM
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Backstory on Carville v Dean
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 08:58 PM by FLDem5
Fascinating look at the inner party mechanisms from The Next Hurrah

I was in a good position to argue for the program because in the 1980's while chairing Alan Cranston's campaign here, I had discovered how pathetic many of our state parties actually were. Many were literally bankrupt, the office supplies and machines (typewriters) had been taken for unpaid debt, and padlocks were on the door. The State Committees that had the franchise were held in one or another lawyer's file cabinet, (In Georgia it had been Bert Lance's for about 20 years), and the reason for this condition was frankly racism. The Southern States would not allow the release of the franchise to a newly elected Central Committee or Board, because it would be Black. They could do this because the parties were in bankruptcy, and whatever lawyer had the letterhead in his files was also the court appointed trustee.

When Dean took over the DNC -- this was the condition of about twelve of our State Parties. He actually had to find lawyers to go into court and get the parties out of this kind of "Trusteeship" before he could even begin to reorganize. In fact, one of the reasons some of the Field Organizers Dean appointed are on the staff of the DNC rather than state parties is because it avoids dealing with old trustees and old court judgments.

The really sad thing is that Democrats all around the country don't know about all this -- about how the party structure was sabotaged essentially over the matter of race over a long stretch of years. By not actually dealing with the matter -- and it should have been argued out and dealt with in at least the 1970's -- it has festered, and now we have this assumption by James Carville that he is the great white master, who can dictate the structure of the DNC, including which African American should head it as opposed to Dean, or whom ever else the properly constituted DNC should elect.

Yes, given what Dean has done, in 2008 the DNC will be still supporting state parties and field organizations that might elect a Congresscritter or two in the really red states, but may also progress in electing state legislators, county commissioners and all the rest. But he has also created the model for the "voter file" -- the microtargeting that the Republicans call their Voter Vault -- and it was rolled out in a number of states this year, and is ready for National roll out next year. Every state now has the technical ability to use it, access it, and apply it to all sorts of requirements. In 2004, using old fashioned methods, we came within two seats of controlling our State House. Using these new methods we picked up 19 seats, nearly a veto proof House. Of course it has maintence costs -- but it is worth it. Dean also introduced the idea of putting field offices in every Congressional District, not just in the State Capitol. Off years, the staff will do organization, election seasons they will coordinate all activity in each district. It is so simple minded it boggles the mind. But yes, it does mean that a Washington DC operative cannot actually control how local parties operate. And with Carville, that is the crux of the problem.


and with great appreciation, the State party chairs did this:

Resolution Commending Governor Howard Dean for Instituting "The 50 State Strategy" at the DNC

WHEREAS, Governor Howard Dean is Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, duly elected by members of the Democratic National Committee;

WHEREAS, Governor Dean has implemented a "50 State Strategy" that has been instrumental in helping to ensure State Democratic Parties have the tools, training, and resources needed to win elections up and down the ticket, in all parts of the country;

WHEREAS, previously too many of our state parties had been neglected by the national party even as Republicans did a far better job of effectively organizing their State parties. The "50 State Strategy" reversed that trend and provided State Democratic Parties the tools, resources, and infrastructure needed to compete and win races in all parts of the country;

WHEREAS, the 2006 elections demonstrated that if Democrats show up, stand up for what we believe in and work hard and ask every American for their vote, we can win in any part of the country at every level;

WHEREAS, the "50 State Strategy" ensured that State Democratic Parties were able to lay the groundwork that enabled Democratic candidates to take advantage of a favorable political climate;

WHEREAS, thanks in great part to the "50 State Strategy," Democratic candidates won races up and down the ticket, all across the country that they would not have been able to win, helping take back the U.S. House and Senate, elect a majority of Democratic governors - who now govern states that control 295 electoral votes -- and win ten new Democratic majorities in state legislatures;

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the Association of State Democratic Chairs honor and thank Governor Dean for his tireless commitment to State Democratic Parties and the "The 50 State Strategy," for holding himself to the highest ethical standards, and for never retreating from what was right for every Democrat in every state;

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the "50 State Strategy" is a long term investment paying immediate dividends and that, as we look toward the future, State Democratic Parties will evaluate and enhance these efforts, to grow our majority and sustain Americans' trust in and support for us;

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Democratic State Parties will continue working hard to show up and ask for people's votes in every corner of America to ensure Democratic victories in governor's races next November, to take back the White House in 2008, and to continue to rebuild the Democratic Party for the future.


Thanks to minimum

:applause:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:58 PM
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1. Looks like Carville's doing a great job
of marginalizing himself.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:17 PM
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17. I think he's a UNITER
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 10:17 PM by Morgana LaFey
lots of folks are uniting behind Dean as a result of Carville's fat mouth. Heheh.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 08:43 AM
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28. I noticed that! This is the only time the consensus is 100%
unified. I have not come across any posts defending Carville anywhere - not here or any other board.

It's amazing, really.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:01 AM
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31. He should RETIRE, or go work for his wife
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:58 PM
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2. As I stated previously, Carville is the Gollum of the Democratic Party
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:00 PM
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5. seriously, has he had health issues?
Edited on Fri Nov-17-06 09:02 PM by FLDem5
He has been extremely pale and thin lately.

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:04 PM
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9. :) Perfect. Perpetual Sore Loser Syndrome
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 08:34 PM
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36. Maybe it comes from being married to a succubus. n/t
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:59 PM
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3. Great post
:applause:

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 08:59 PM
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4. I was hoping you were gonna say Dean once banged Mary Matalin. Oh, well. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:00 PM
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6. Let me join you.
Well done, Doctor, and thank you.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:02 PM
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7. If Carvy pursues this, then all doubts will be removed as to whose side he's on
TETON VILLAGE, Wyo. - Democratic chairman Howard Dean on Friday took a swipe at Washington critics who questioned his strategy of spending money in all 50 states, dismissing them as the "old Democratic Party."

Basking in the afterglow of last week's election victories, Dean told the state party chairmen who were among the biggest beneficiaries of his strategy that it was an approach marked by Democratic wins at all levels of government.

"It was a great win for what I call the new Democratic Party," Dean said in a speech to the Association of State Democratic Chairs. "This is the new Democratic Party. The old Democratic Party is back there in Washington, sometimes they still complain a little bit."

In recent days, political strategist James Carville, best known for his work on Bill Clinton's campaign in 1992, has assailed Dean, saying he left too much money in the bank that could have been used to seize an even larger Democratic majority in Congress

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061118/ap_on_el_ge/democrats_dean

At least Big Dog (the DLC's only connection to relevance) has stayed out of it.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:03 PM
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8. did you notice this part of the article?
"According to reporting on KO, Hillary Clinton's office is saying they did not "sign off" on the Carville attack on Dean. As Keith said, that is a bit nuanced, and it needs follow up. The language of "sign off" bothers."
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:05 PM
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10. Carvrella is just another Zell Miller!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:07 PM
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11. K&R for Howard!
--IMM
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:41 PM
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12. I think this explains a lot about the VA Dem Party
The Va Dem Committee, as far as I know, is fully functioning, legally, and all that. But it is so disfunctional. One problem is that the commonwealth does not register voters by party. Fair enough. That hasn't stopped the R's from knowing exactly who their voters are.

The D's, on the other hand, don't have a clue who their voters are. Every year I'm given walk sheets and every year after I knock on doors, I think "who thought these were friendly voters?"

Virginia, for one, needs a complete overhaul of the state and local committees. Hopefully the Webb folks understand this and can provide some impetus to get the state party to do some serious retooling. That senate race was damn scary, party-wise, let me tell you. If you want to get anything done at the really local level, you literally have to "go rogue" and piss the state and county establishment off in the process.

Dem candidates seem to win in Virginia, in some instances, despite the state party aparatus, not because of it.

Just my opinion.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:48 PM
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13. And our eyes opened, around the country....
I noticed this in BLUE Michigan in the '04 presidentials....

Everything worked MUCH more smoothly this time around....
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 09:59 PM
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14. Good on ya, State Chairs!
I think what they have to say means a lot more to Howard Dean than anything that comes out of Carville's mouth.
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Christian30 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:02 PM
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15. Thanks for posting this!
Great article on how Dean's revitalizing the party.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:10 PM
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16. WOW!! Job well done Mr. Dean!

:yourock:

Imagine that ... efficient organization and effective management in politics?? Like to see some of that on the Federal level.

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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:21 PM
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18. Really important point from that blogger
Indeed the ultimate question is whether local party organizations can select their own representatives or whether that power will be taken away from the state parties by the DSCC and the DCCC who substitute themselves (as elected officials) for the party organization or the DNC and what creates it. That is what is at stake.

The sad thing is that so many do not understand that now is the time to deal with this matter -- before the contest for nomination begins. Wait till you have a presidential candidate or a president, and that is too late. It has to be part of the early bargin.



People involved in the party need to take heed.
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Christian30 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:36 PM
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19. Carville was on Stephanie Miller this morning
and from what I can gather he's screaching about Howard Dean b/c Dean wouldn't see him in October so Carville could tell him to spend the $10 million line of credit to win more seats. He said that the local parties don't need "some kid from Amherst" (a field organizer) over giving candidates more money. Apparently Carville doesn't know that having hundreds of those "kids from Bob Jones" is how the Repukes have been kicking our butts in election after election...

What a maroon...
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:47 PM
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21. he can screech away all he wants
we all see him quite clearly.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:01 PM
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34. Once More For Emphasis: "NOW is the time to deal with this matter"
Right away folks!

:kick: & R'd !!!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:37 PM
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20. Dean talks to more people than Carville.
Carville thinks he talks to better people.

I think Carville's on the wrong side of our future history, which is already knocking.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 10:53 PM
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22. Reid praises Howard Dean and the 50 state plan
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/17/224611/85

Here it the quote:

He fully backs Howard Dean as the Democratic Party chairman. "I didn't support his running for the chair of the DNC," Reid said. "I was wrong. He was right....I support his grassroots Democratic Party-building."

Looks like James Carville(and whoever he is going to bat for) is failing to get traction in his anti-dean crusade.


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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:37 AM
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23. Dean's a real believer in the Party -
Carville believes in the Game, and His Candidate.

Let us hope there are many more Believers standing up for and entering our Party!
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 05:40 AM
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24. Good info, thanks, kick& rec. n/t
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:26 AM
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25. The field organization is just what Dean was thinking about after his
Presidential bid (or maybe even before) was over. Dean ALWAYS ALWAYS talked about planning for the future.

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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 08:00 AM
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26. In Ohio, in 2000, I think only half our County Parties had computers
The computer I inherited in Lorain County was woefully inadequate for what needed to get done there. It was The State Party then under Denny White that first produced and distributed cd's with voter information on them. As a county coordinated campaign coordinator, I had the privilege of meeting and working with Frances Strickland (wife of Governor-Elect Strickland). She and Denny had a very clear vision of solving the entire State's Democratic technology challenges and vowed to get at least one computer to every office and to train any interested person to use the tools we needed to win. They delivered on their promises and more, even though things were not so cheery that year for Democrats.

I find your post very interesting because I sometimes think there are certain "old fashioned" types out there that really don't understand the mechanations and the number of actual key strokes it takes to get things done. They resist taking the steps needed to build a solid foundation under a campaign, and they have been suckered into media campaigns by consultants, who in a dog-eat-dog environment, competing against other consultants, will say anything that keeps their paycheck coming. I believe we lost elections in Ohio for years because the powers-that-be kept recommending the same old loser consultants, who were also just not keeping up with the times, because they believed the "establishment" D's would keep recommending them as the "insiders." It was sickening to watch. I watched one office holder lose thousands and thousands of dollars because one of these money raker-loser consultants took on an official website project, and had no idea of what was supposed to happen with a website, probably had never been on one.

I don't put Carville in that category of consultants at all, and he's mainly not been involved in domestic elections since Clinton went out of office. I think that when he sees the correct political climate, on top of new levels of competence on the ground and with the netroots, I think it is in his nature to be impatient. I, too, thought we would take both the House and Senate by greater margins and was a little surprised by the outcome. Carville's choice of words was unfortunate, but he is free to speak his mind like any of us. He will get the information and will be more circumspect in weeks to come.

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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 08:36 AM
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27. Excellent article
Makes me imagine President Dean rolling out an equally successful, 50-state plan for America!
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 08:44 AM
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29. Wasn't there a skating duo
called Carville and Dean?

Interesting visual.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 08:47 AM
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30. Nearly - it was Torville and Dean!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:32 PM
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32. Does anybody have the specifics of which states
the Dem party was in bankruptcy prior to Dean's strategy? Specifics make for a better possibility of media coverage, especially with graphics.

This whole thing needs to be sent to KO.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 02:39 PM
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33. I don't, but the info on the South and keeping the docs in lawyers offices
so African-Americans couldn't gain party control is unreal.

That is a story in itself.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:12 PM
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35. Excellent post. Now everyone, send $20.08 to the DNC with Happy Birthday, Dr. Dean in the memo!
Dr. Dean, with our help, will put the Dems in the WH in 2008!

:kick:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:15 PM
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37. Dean has more integrity in his pinky finger than Carville has in his whole body.
Thank you, Dr. Dean.

:patriot:
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:26 PM
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38. Beautiful!
Bless you Dr. Dean!! :loveya:

(Oh, and fuck off, permanently, carVILE. :mad:)
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 09:49 PM
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39. I had no idea how sick our Party was. Thank you Doctor.
Following my medical analogy, I guess this makes Carville the insurance corporation who tells the cancer patient that her coverage is denied. Sounds about right to me.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:41 PM
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40. no wonder Carville is on edge.
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