Talk is that bush is going to call for 20K more troops to Iraq. Will the Dems do the right thing?

[still_one]

I am not so sure

I suspect they will be split, and that would be most unfortunate

[ShortnFiery]

1. They better follow through with what they promised.

Remember it was THE PEOPLE, not one political party, that helped us extract our troops from Vietnam.

Keep the pressure on our Democratic Representatives. :thumbsup:

[still_one]

5. I agree, but here is my nightmare

The Democrats will split because the repulicans will say anyone who doesn't want to send the troops to Iraq is not supporting the troops there, and does NOT really want to end the war

After six years of essentially doing nothing, the DEMOCRATS BETTER TAKE A UNITED STAND ON THIS

Forget any compromise, there will NOT be any. McConnel has already said if the Democrats do NOT accept an up or down vote on the judges, not to worry, because they need 2/3 to filibuster, and they cannot get it.

IF THEY DON'T STAND UP THIS TIME, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS THROUGH

I hope the Democrats words turn into action, and yes, the DEMOCRATS BETTER OPEN INVESTIGATIONS ON the lead up to the IRAQ WAR, the violation of the Geneva Convention, the illegal wiretaps, and so much more

[jaysunb]

2. This is a trap....

easy to see. :evilfrown:

[still_one]

6. probably, but the Democrats better NOT sway their position

[jobycom]

8. Bingo. Bush wins this one, by just proposing it.

If the Dems deny Bush the troops, and especially if we pull out, Bush will blame the Dems for failing in Iraq, and he's off the hook (he was laying the groundwork for that in Viet Nam, with his "We only lose if we leave" routine). If we give Bush the troops, then we have a vested interest in the outcome, because then we have also escalated the war. Bush drags the Dems down with him, and that makes the Repubs look less bad by comparison. Interestingly, I think this proves that Bush knows it's a lost cause, because he is now just trying to do damage control.

We can't win this by playing the game. We just have to do the right thing and trust in Americans to understand it.

[still_one]

10. You just said it, WE WIN BY DOING THE RIGHT THING

and that means start getting out of Iraq

If anything, it is the countries in the region that need to settle this

We are a catalyst for disaster if we stay

[jobycom]

11. Agreed. And a bold move is the best way to counter a duplicitous one. nt

[lvx35]

16. That's why its important we start making the MORAL arguments against

the war now.

They can always blame us for losing, even though we have been in the war longer than we were in WWII with them in control, and with no results delivered...But once we have spoken the truth, that this war is immoral, than they can make no complaints about losing...There is no merit in winning an immoral fight.

[madokie]

22. both the cayalyst and an ingredient

[izzie]

20. I may be mad also but your reasoning sounds reasonable.

Bush has got to blame this mess on some one else.

[WinkyDink]

25. Americans have a short memory. In little time it will be "Iraq? Saddam? Wha'?"

After all, even Bush is now in VietNam.

Peace. Now.

[babylonsister]

3. DEMS WILL DO THE RIGHT THING; BET ON IT. nt

[still_one]

7. We will see very soon. You noticed how quick they were to vote yes

on supply nuclear fuel to India, which is indirectly proliferation of nuclear weapons

[MannyGoldstein]

4. They'll Do Whatever Jimmy Baker Says

You can take that to the bank.

McCain just trying to grab some high ground, so he can say "I woulda' won" when we're all feeling bad about Iraq in 2008.

[still_one]

9. The media is already saying that is what baker wants

it is a MAJOR MISTAKE, and if the Democrats fall for this, like they did the lies that brought us into Iraq, then its time to form a new party

[luckyleftyme2]

15. baker is a bush gopher

Baker is like chenny,a go between. the man between the elected and the behind the scenes gang.
They will have no silver bullet nor a plan to hasten the end of this occupation. Simply a smoke screen that will linger on.

[MiniMe]

12. Do they need congresses approval to raise the troop levels?

They raised them a few months ago and I don't remember it being brought to congress, but I might have missed it.

[bigtree]

13. nope

and withholding funds right now is a political trap.

there will be other ways to leverage action. a combination of events and efforts.

[luckyleftyme2]

14. THE PEOPLE SPOKE

Bush now is going to change the course? Don't buy into this plan now it's to late.They dicked around doing everything they could to screw it up and prolong the stay in iraq.
don't waste another american child in that god forsaken mess.
pull them out and make an offer they all can relate to.if you continue your civil war and unrest we'll give you all forty virgins!
Its time that section of the world felt the wrath of the american people!besides that the stockpile needs to be spent!
even the iraqis are fighting over the oil.

[Disturbed]

18. Uh.. how is sending more troops to die changing the course?

Seems to me it would be escalating the freakin' course!

The PM of Iraq recently said that he wants the troops to stay on their bases for a few months. Sending 20K more troops will accomplish wxactly what?

[Disturbed]

19. Uh.. how is sending more troops to die changing the course?

Seems to me it would be escalating the freakin' course!

The PM of Iraq recently said that he wants the troops to stay on their bases for a few months. Sending 20K more troops will accomplish exactly what?

[MoseyWalker]

17. they will go, and then

they will be slowly "withdrawn"

there doesn't appear to be a draft on the horizon, just a few hundred thousand insane troops to deal with once this insane war is ended.

[and-justice-for-all]

21. A nice loud "FUCK THAT!" would be sufficent...nt

[Casablanca]

23. No, the DLC will be too busy trying to screw Dean to even think about it. nt

[B Calm]

24. They need a congressional vote to raise troop levels? Since when?

[still_one]

26. They don't, but the Democrats have a responsibility to dsagree

and do whatever they can to get us out of Iraq