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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:18 AM
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FIRST, I Know This May Be Stupid, BUT I Don't Follow H'Wood
that much SO could somebody Please Tell Me What is the REAL problem with Tom Cruise, BESIDES the Scientology aspect??

Why do people keep making references to him being Gay?? I have always liked him, and that may be because I have a son who looks a LOT like him. As a female, his movies no longer appeal to me because I'm not drawn to that type of stuff, but there are other HUGE movie stars who are Scientologists and don't get this "bad rap." I think he is a good actor and don't think anyone can take that away from him.

And yes, I realize he did jump on Oprah's couch and made some comments, but Freedom of Speech should be respected, regardless. Hey, I've gotten a little crazy myself several times in my life too, but I hope it doesn't "define" me! As far as I know he's not out like some Fundamentalist injecting his beliefs into politics. I think many movie stars have been controversial in the past, but this wave of simply being so cruel to many of them makes me uncomfortable.

Anyway, do many people think Cruise is gay?? I don't know myself, nor do I really care if he is or not. And I will say one more thing... at least he didn't slink away and hide from the public and is going on with his life as he sees fit. Might not be MY way of doing it, but then his actions have NO bearing on my life per se.


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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:21 AM
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1. I do find the criticism of him over the top...
He does make it easy...but in the universe of whacked out Hollywood stars, he doesn't make the
A-List...

Plus he is on our side politicially and has done a fair amount for environmental groups!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:23 AM
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2. Publicity stunt -- it keeps him in headlines
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 10:24 AM by rocknation
The stars don't care what people say about them as long as they're saying it. Half the stuff you read in the tabloids is put out by the stars' own publicists. Madonna's publicist Liz Rosenberg, is considered to be the Karl Rove of the, uh, profession.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Christian30 Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:25 AM
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3. For me
it was his attacking Brooke Sheilds for using anti-depressants for post-partum depression. I think it's incredibly dangerous for someone of his stature and influence to talk trash about medically proven treatments just b/c he's a Scientology moonbat.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:27 AM
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5. To be fair...
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 10:28 AM by SaveElmer
He did apologize to her for that.
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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:43 AM
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11. I am curious about his apology to Shields.
Was this a public apology or personally to her? I heard that he apologized but I wondered if he ever really retracted what he said about this serious health issue.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:48 AM
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13. I know he apologized to her directly...
As to whether he retracted what he said I don't know.
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QMPMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 03:12 PM
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42. He went to her house to apologize. It was *not* a public
apology and he has not retracted what he said about postpartum depression.

His relentless diatribes regarding the use of antidepressants for the treatment of PPD is what pissed me off about him. I could care less if he's gay. Because of his egomaniacal ranting about PPD, I will nto watch any of his movies any more. Too bad, because I really, really liked Top Gun.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:48 AM
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14. personal, I believe. She's going to his wedding, supposedly
(obviously, I do follow Hollywood news)

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DawgHouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:50 AM
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15. I don't follow Hollywood news either
but this wedding is usually the first or second news story on the major networks lately! I did see pictures of Shield's arriving in Rome to attend the wedding.

I just thought it would be nice if Cruise retracted his statement and apologized to all the people who may have been hurt by his bizarre claims.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:06 AM
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18. I Would MUCH More Prefer That This Idiot President Of Ours APOLOGIZE
for his behavior, and that MSM salivated of THAT apology much much more!! If Shields is okay with it, then it's fine by me!

I know Cruise is a Democrat and has done work in the past for Democrats. I haven't checked to see if he's donated lately, but I know he has done so before. He can't be all that bad.

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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:57 PM
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37. Especially since the whole reason Brooke Shields
has now been invited to the wedding, according to "Countdown", is because she and Katie Holmes "bonded" over post-partum depression.

>I just thought it would be nice if Cruise retracted his statement and apologized to all the people who may have been hurt by his bizarre claims.<

Considering the fact that it happened in their own home, according to news reports, one would think that he would have the grace and the humanity to say that he and his opinions are WRONG.

Julie
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:33 AM
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7. Same for me
His broader attacks on psychiatry and psychology- along with his arrogance in doing so are not only irresponsible, but show a serious character flaw.

To be messed up- and have character flaws is one thing, to attack entire communities of vulnerable people is quite another. I can tell you for certain that in the bipolar community (which is estimated to include more than 5% of the population- 15 million people) he's become a laughingstock.

I'm sure he hasn't made any friends among those who've ever suffered from clinical depression, either. The prevalence there is even higher- so add on at least another 30 million.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:31 AM
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22. I AM One Of Those People.... How Many Different Medications Have
they prescribed to you? Let me see, Ativan, Luvox, Anafrinil, Prozac, Lamictal, Paxil, Klonopin and some that I've forgotten! At one time my Psychiatrist had me on 40 Mg's of Paxil, plus several other drugs at the same time! I finally had to go "cold turkey" which was a dangerous thing, but I wasn't aware of it at the time. I actually felt like a "junky" coming off of heroin or something. It took a good 2 to 3 weeks to stop the shaking.

Today, I take Klonopin even though my Dr. prescribes Prozac and Lamictal to be taken with it. And of course, Ambien! While I KNOW I need some medication.... I do think I'm being over-prescribed.

Sorry, didn't mean this to be a thread about depression, I do know how bad it is... I suffer from it myself. Lamictal was helpful, but I have found that getting out and being active helps a lot. However, MAKING yourself getting out and being active IS the first STEP and a VERY hard one.... because that's what you DON'T want to do! I have been there and still do suffer from it, but it's one day at a time. My son became a METH addict and for 2 years it was HELL and I managed to keep from going back to over-medicating. I still don't see my son and it's like a knife in my heart, but sometimes we have to accept things for what they are. I have complete compassion for sufferers because not only are you very sick, far too many others don't understand what is happening and many more think you are a hypochondriac!

Geeez, got off subject didn't I??
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:41 PM
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38. Thank You All For Your Input... I See It's Pretty Diverse
I just didn't know that much about the "hoopla" and was curious. And as I said, I don't care much one way or the other. I too, would prefer to hear about what The Idiot is doing by way of destroying our Democracy these days.

I was very impressed with Richard Dreyfuss last night on Bill Maher. He hit the nail on the head about Civics and how we as people are to be held accountable if this Republic fails. Our voices must be heard and he made some comments about this media hype with the Britney Spears, Tom Cruise, O.J. stuff. And when Bill said he was going to watch the O.J. thing he called him on it.

I know O.J. has been back in the news, but I haven't even checked any of that out. I don't want to and I'm SURE I won't be watching anything he's produced or whatever.

I'm really glad I have a Dish and I can watch Link & FSTV and I will also be looking for Dan Rather on HDNET.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:43 PM
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39. Sorry... This Was Posted At The Wrong Place... Should Have
been my last post. I had an inquiry and was checking back about something.


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:26 AM
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4. Start here, I guess!!!!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tom+cruise+gay

I never heard the rumor until a relative of mine, who is a female flight attendant, recounted a bit of chit-chat between two male flight attendants who alledgedly saw him in a poor disguise at a locale frequented by the gay community in the company of what could only be termed a rent boy. No idea if it was just gossip or what.

If I was compelled to put down a bet, one way or another, I'd put ten bucks down on him being gay, though. But that's simply an opinion.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:57 PM
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36. I covered Hollywood as a reporter, and I swear, EVERY time a group
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 01:05 PM by calimary
of us got together and his name came up (and it wasn't every time we got together - we had lots of other things to talk about than Tom Cruise), that came up, too. I heard it from hair and make-up artists who'd worked with him, publicists, other reporters who'd covered him, reporters who were gay who'd covered him, film critics, and so forth. It was a common assertion if Tom Cruise came up in conversation. In the process of being out there working, and hanging with people all waiting to get started on something (like waiting in a gaggle for the start of a press conference or event, or in line to get credentials, or sitting in screenings with friends waiting for the film to start), if a "Tom Cruise" mention was made, eyeballs would roll and inevitably, it'd get around to him being gay.

And believe me, we gossipped. We all gossipped about everything and everybody. Holy COW was there some great gossip, some of it causing snickers and snarky one-liners to erupt at ramdom for an entire day at the AP, among about 12 people in the newsroom including the chief news editor (THAT was a hilariously fun day). :evilgrin: It's one of the things I miss about having retired from the business along with the horrid gallows humor running rampant in every newsroom I ever entered, sicko that I am. We were pretty twisted. :evilgrin: But then again, many of us (not myself, but I worked with plenty of 'em) had been at the Enquirer or Globe, or worked with British reporters who were very heavily tabloid (at a press conference, if somebody fired off a question speaking in an English accent, it was far more likely they were with some tab rather than the BBC). And sometimes we were clustered in the same crowd with the photographers and paparrazzi, and they were ALWAYS good for gossip.

I am not sure, personally, whether it's true, but I sure heard it a lot, and from people I considered fairly reputable, too. I interviewed him once, and of course did not DARE bring it up. I tended to ask questions that everybody wanted to ask but didn't have the nerve, but I wasn't willing to go THAT far. He was quite charming, friendly, polite, and talkative as I recall, but it was years ago, before his attack on Brooke Shields and his jumping all over Oprah's couch, and the Scientology angle was still not widely played. He was still married to Mimi Rogers at the time, and had a film out that was underperforming, so his personal publicist actually did the unthinkable - made him available for some interviews with those of us radio riff-raff who ordinarily wouldn't have had a prayer of scoring such a coup. (That happens with other celebrities all the time. If they're really big, they're generally "un-gettable" to all but the biggest outlets like the Today Show or People magazine or Entertainment Tonight or CNN, unless their publicity machinery thinks they're in trouble and actually NEED you. And you think they're assholes because their publicists are the hard-asses to deal with, yet when you finally do meet the celebrities themselves, they turn out to be pleasant and congenial as can be). He was and still is VERY heavily and rather ruthlessly "protected."
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:54 PM
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41. WOW...what a career! I envy you!
What a joy it is to have had a job that you look back on fondly! And what fantastic perspective! Any chance you'd put your toe in again part-time?

I guess there's quite possibly more than South Park snarkiness in that "Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet" episode--it's one of those tales that keeps resurrecting itself.

I'm a bit appalled, frankly, at the fawning press this farce in Italy is receiving. I think about all the MINUTES, nay, hours, of airtime this shit, and the OJ shit, is getting, and how that time might be better used with say, a story on DARFUR, which, if you asked most Americans what that was, they'd probably say was mink worn by the Daughters of the American Revolution....

It's enough to drive one batshit...I turned off the tube today, I just couldn't stand it anymore! I usually have it going in the background, but it was just getting to the point of absurdity.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 05:20 PM
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44. Well, that's why we were so crass amongst ourselves.
It took the edge off. It's a whole little subculture, the news biz. You work such long hours, with demanding supervisors (bosses, editors, department heads, management in general, affiliate guys, whatevers) breathing down your neck, or you cope with equipment that's poorly maintained or antiquated, or maybe not maintained at all. When I was at the AP (in Los Angeles), all the maintenance engineers were pretty good and pretty smart, and ALL in New York and Washington DC where the Broadcast News Center is. A lot of good that did me, at the other end of the country.

Or you sit, for hours, waiting for Elizabeth Taylor to be released from the hospital - maybe in the hot sun, afraid to take a bathroom break, wishing you'd brought your trail mix with you that you left back at the bureau. Or you get bored while you're waiting, and you start chit-chatting. And somebody's always there to boast a better rumor or inside scoop than anybody else can come up with that day. Ego, y'know. We were all competitors even while friends.

And frankly, I do miss that. I miss the back-n-forth among my colleagues, and I miss the rogues and mad dogs and nuts who populate these things, and who made life colorful and entertaining for us press schlubs.

And there's the other side of it, one I didn't see so much. Those who cover crime, war, stuff like that, where they see the worst of humanity every day, the worst injustice, the worst carnage, and you have to have an outlet for it. And there are people who switch off - one day they'll be on that beat and the next day they're covering Cybill Shepherd getting her star on the Walk of Fame. It's enough to make you a little bit bent. I worked just down the aisle from one of those very guys. A photo guy I've mentioned before, here, named Nick Ut. He'd usually be crouched down in the front row, often in front of me (or I'd be craining my neck and sticking my arm out as far as I could go without falling over to get the mike in somebody's face, and being trying my best not to fall over on him), at one of these mindless celebrity things. Yet he is a Pulitzer Prize-winner whose main claim to fame is the photo he took of that little screaming Vietnamese girl running down the road nude after having been napalmed. He took that picture. And yet, there he'd be, snapping Cybill Shepherd or Demi Moore or Flavor Flav or somebody, doing whatever meaningless publicity thing du jour that it might be. This was a FRICKIN' PULITZER PRIZE WINNER. A veteran of the most horrible of war horrors. And there he'd be. The nicest, sweetest, most mellow, most mild-mannered guy. If you didn't know the backstory you'd never guess in a million years, because he was just another worker bee like the rest of us and never talked about it.

You get jaded. There was another guy on the celeb beat at the AP who'd been a tabloid reporter and before that even, had been a hearse driver. Used to holler out, through the newsroom, whenever some celebrity died (especially somebody whose death we'd been watching for) with the booming declaration "So-n-so just achieved room temperature!!!"

And there was the whole Richard Gere thing. My God. I still can't walk through the syrup aisle past the Mrs. Butterworth bottles at the store without cracking up.

But you get jaded. Because in our line of work, we couldn't turn off the tube and put the whole damned thing on ignore. We WERE the tube. We had to stay in it. Really perverse. We had to be there with the grave diggers watching the crying widow and the desperate survivors and getting those quotes - "how do you feel?" DUH!!!!!!!! How the hell do you THINK they feel, IDJIT!???!!!?? So you get very jaded and weird and hardened and berzerko. Always made me think of Hawkeye Pierce and friends on "M*A*S*H" - they laughed and carroused and drank to numb the pain.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:40 AM
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49. You definitely have a book in you, if you haven't written one already
Maybe a novel, if you want to change those names to protect the guilty!

Your friend Nick is a good soul--he still keeps in touch with that little girl, who is now grown and living in Canada. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4517597.stm
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dubykc Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:28 AM
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6. I also find that the crticisms are a bit over the top...
I personally don't agree with the whole Scientology thing or L. Ron Hubbard, but that's his choice to make not mine.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:34 AM
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8. There is a stereotype of handsome Hollywood actors being gay
Once it came out that Rock Hudson was gay, it's like an obsession of the Amurkan sheeple. And there's the power thing, men over women, hey, you women, good looking men are always gay, but ha, ha, gorgeous women never are, and they're willing to marry a troll like Billy Joel.

Then there's always the stereotype/rumor that gays control casting, so you have to "bend down" to get a part when you're staring out, and maybe that turns you bi, or gay, or - well you know the right wing theories on that.

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Minnesota_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:41 AM
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9. Here is documented proof of Cruise refusing to come out of the closet.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:03 PM
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29. Honestly, I don't give a rip if a Hollywood leading man is in the
closet, it's his business and it's probably necessary for his career.

For the record, most people knew about Rock Hudson. I grew up on the fringes of showbiz and I knew. Outing people who were just trying to live their lives and make a living WAS NOT DONE.

Watching the shock of older women who'd spent the 50s fantasizing him when he came out was amusing, to say the least.

If Cruise is gay and feels it necessary for his career to hide behind a "beard" and in the closet, that's his business. The same goes for the way he's being $cammed by that cockeyed cult. It's his problem until he asks for help to break loose.

However, when he goes on and on as some sort of antidrug spokesman because of that cult, he's crossed the line, IMO. He's got a right to his opinions. He doesn't have a right to crusade on media.

Nobody likes depending on drugs to function. I know because I'm there. His using media appearances to tell sick people to throw away the drugs that are keeping them alive is irresponsible at best.

For that reason alone, I'll continue to heartily dislike him.



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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:42 AM
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10. he's an under-rated actor and a self-hating gay
there really isn't any doubt that he is gay, his first wife mimi rogers divorced him because he was "into this celibacy thing and i couldn't go there," it is widely acknowledged that he did not have sex w. his wife of almost 10 years, nicole kidman, instead, a thin story was made that they (she) could not have children and they adopted, of course when kidman was dumped as a professional beard and got back to real life, turns out she can perfectly well carry her own child...hmmm

the only reason that there is no mention made in the media of tom's orientation is that he is famous for how litigous and how hysterical he is on the subject of his sexual orientation

i think he should have long ago come out of the closet, in the immortal words of south park, but apparently he's damaged inside and just can't do it

as far as his work, yes he's done some total shit like mission impossible but he can act and he does push himself outside his category in such films as vanilla sky and minority report, when he is cast and directed well he can do a fine job

but his attitude that being called "gay" is the worst insult that requires him to phone his attorneys...and this coming from a man who wouldn't have sex with either mimi rogers or nicole kidman...come on, logic must prevail at some point, there's a point at which his failure to accept himself and his insistence that being gay is a disease becomes a bit annoying if not out-right pathological

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:03 AM
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16. Well, Personally I Would Say That Says A Lot About His Past Wives
too! I'm sorry, if this is all that's going on... I say he has EVERY RIGHT to SHUT-UP or BLURT out whatever HE wishes!

There are plenty of well known people who are undoubtedly Gay who.. "won't come out of the closet" too! I also heard that he did apologize to Shields and I also agree with some of his thoughts about Psychiatry myself. I happen to suffer from OCD and can tell you first hand that the VERY FIRST THING they do is load you up with MEDICATION! I stopped taking a lot of it myself after I did a lot of research and "understood" what my behavior patterns were and what particular situations caused more activity. I HATED the onslaught of meds. I still take some, but nothing like they prescribed!!

I appreciate the input here, but I'm sorry.... I guess I will let him live his own life. And if those who are directly involved in his life have a problem with it, then THEY are the ones who need to deal with it. Shields is going to his wedding I hear, but I don't really care about that either!

I don't know that much about Scientology, but as a person who left the Catholic religion and sought out many others, MOST religions have some teachings that could be suspect. I'm much more into Spirituality, but that's MY choice! If there is Heaven & Hell... I may go to Hell... but who REALLY knows?? But let's NOT get into a religious flame here... I spent years searching for answers and still don't have a handle on it!

So, Tom Cruise... I give you a pass!



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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:48 PM
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47. sure he's free to speak as he pleases
i don't dispute that, however, it is not a marriage if your husband refuses to have sex with you

by the way, nicole kidman's marriage to tom cruise -- which lasted 2 days short of 10 years -- was annulled and she was subsequently able to be married in the catholic church to another man because she and tom did not have relations -- it was a business deal, she was a beard!

i'm sorry, if the dude was just celibate, he wouldn't be marrying women over and over to serve as a beard, he would just not have sex

once you drag your wife into it and make her part of the charade, that's where you're hurting another person and making them feel like shit because you can't accept yourself

as you say, everything he says about over medication is not wrong, although he over-states -- and the entire church of scientology overstates when they claim psychiatric medications never do any good -- but that's his right to say that, no one thinks mr cruise is a doctor

i don't hate him and i often enjoy his movies

i wish him well but i also wish him self acceptance

i don't even know what he thinks he's hiding any more with the whole katie holmes debacle -- the nicole kidman story is good enough to convince most people "that boy's not right"


honestly, tho, no problem in giving him a pass, it's just fun to gossip about movie stars and it really doesn't hurt anyone, it's how we talk about human nature without gossiping about our neighbors
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 05:38 PM
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45. I always thought he was Great in Born on the Fourth of July
That was an amazing performance.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:46 AM
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12. Actually I have been pissed since that love scene with Kelly in Top Gun!
I am willing to spread nasty rumors about him over that. Certainly if he had been fooling around with Meg Ryan, I would be really, really upset, but then again, it's football Saturday and one must have their priorities.

and ever since Meg got that restraining order...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:07 AM
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20. The funny thing about that is that Kelly is taller then Tom
He had to stand on a phone book in all the scenes where they were standing together.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:02 PM
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28. LOL (actually)!
Figures!
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:05 AM
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17. Did you see his freakout on Matt Lauer?
That is just one example that Cruise is a nutjob.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:18 AM
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21. No More Than I Am!! You Should Have Seen My Freak Out After
the election here in Sarasota County recently! I'm a NUT-Job too!! In all honesty, there ARE people who condemn me for what I happen to believe in as a LIBERAL! I used to get very very upset about their venom, but since I just reached my 6th decade here on earth, maybe with time my RAGE isn't as HOT!

My daughter on the other hand can be VERY VERY confrontational and I I generally suggest to her NOT to come with me to political functions.

And you know what, I just bet there are many people a lot of us know who can really screw up big time. I will include myself here too!

I personally am more upset about O.J. than Tom Cruise... and back then I did think O.J. "did" it, but found myself wanting his side to win for African Americans. See, that IS a controversial statement coming from me right now. I would prefer he be made to make some sort of restitution NOW, but back then it WAS and African American thing to me. And I'm a white female.

Good Luck... Tom & Katie! Good luck to ANYONE who gets married! BTW, I AM married and to the guy I met when I was 14 years old. It IS "hard work" at times!!! I even divorced him once, but our stars must have remained aligned because we are still together today.



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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:07 AM
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19. It's funny that you're so upset by gamers (who also have no effect on your life)
but so eager to defend Tom Cruise.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:45 AM
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24. Let Me Be VERY Clear Here! I Said This SEVERAL TIMES Yesterday...
that THREAD was not about people playing games! If you didn't get it, you NEVER will! I'm sorry that too many were unable to see what I was saying.

I play many games myself, I have no problem with people playing any kind of video games or having how many gadgets they want, I was upset about the HYPE!

As a person who dug into her own IRA to give a SUBSTANTIAL amount of money (thousands of dollars) to 3 families I know who are struggling severely, I was upset by the mania! I'm NOT wealthy by any means, I have saved some money in my life, but we have always been "middle class" and I always worked until I took my elderly mother-in-law into my home to care for when she was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. She's been here for OVER 7 years now. Taking care of her was the right thing to do, but I will tell you not easy by any stretch of the imagination. She can do NOTHING for herself, but we keep her up and moving each and every single day! My husband worked for GTE and retired early because of this too!

Believe me, I WILL NEVER EVER speak of that again. You might have noticed that I STOPPED responding to the thread after it devolved into a certain amount of stupidity! And I am intelligent enough to have realized that you and many others wanted me to get back "in" and make further comments.

I noticed that Bill Maher had the SAME reaction I did last night. So, get over it... it WAS NOT ABOUT YOU playing games!

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:48 AM
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25. I think you're too obsessed with how other people spend their time.
You've got a thread going about game mania, and one about people complaining about Tom Cruise.

Neither activity has any impact on you.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:00 PM
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26. You Are Totally Correct... I'll Crawl Back Into My Hole Now...
But I'm still going to care for those people LESS FORTUNATE, if it's okay with you!

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:18 PM
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32. LOL! What a joke. Who the hell ever asked you to not care about
"those people less fortunate"?

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:34 AM
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23. Celebrity obsession is an American staple, and Cruise does things people talk about.
However, like with Michael Jackson, there is no bad advertising. The only sin is being forgotten.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:00 PM
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27. This is the answer: I read this in Vanity Fair
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 12:01 PM by Generic Other
Sumner Redstone the guy who owns Viacom, MTV, CBS and Paramount married a 3rd grade schoolteacher he met on a blind date. He's 82 and I have no idea about her, but I'd guess in her 30s. Her charm for him was how different her lifestyle. He was amazed she was ever able to live on a teacher's salary.

Anyway, she did not like what Tom Cruise said about Brooke or how he acted on Oprah. Redstone said every woman in America hated Tom after he trashed Brooke who had serious post-partum depression which she needed drugs to treat. Any woman who has ever had a child knows what this condition is, and many have suffered from it to one degree or another. Having a man--any man--criticize someone for not being able to overcome this condition without drugs or therapy is highly opffensive to most women. It made Tom Cruise look like a meddling Scientologist nutcase on top of being a man who didn't know what he was talking about.

Sumner Redstone decided Cruise's last "Mission Impossible" should have made three times as much money and didn't because women wouldn't go see it.

And all because an ex-3rd grade teacher thought Tom was not being a good citizen.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:03 PM
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30. He's the new Micheal Jackson

except more of a freakshow
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:15 PM
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31. The bottom line on Tom, IMO, is that he is just not a bright person.
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 12:20 PM by greyhound1966
He never made any effort in school and apparently that was out of the realization that he couldn't compete.

He is one of the most powerful actors in Hollywood and has many millions of $.

The combination of low intelligence, spiritual manipulation, and vast power, make him both pathetic and dangerous.

And while I have no personal knowledge, I do know 4 guys that have all told me similar tales of their personal encounters with him, one of whom showed me a token of his experience, so I am inclined to believe that he is gay or bi.

ETA: while this is off-topic, I thought you might like to know that I can personally attest that Keanu Reeves is, in fact, gay.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:33 PM
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33. thanks for saying what alot of people are thinking
all of it kinda silly....the media loves to pile-on a celeb that they think has made "mistakes."
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:37 PM
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34. Personally, I Like Tom Cruise And Enjoy His Acting Work. I Couldn't Care Less About What
he does in his personal life, as I enjoy him for his acting. That's generally my outlook on all actors, musicians, etc.. I either like their work or I don't. As far as what they do in their personal lives, that's not why I watch or listen to them to begin with so I really don't care. Not to mention that it's not much really any of my business anyway.

As far as being an actor goes, I've always liked Tom.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 12:40 PM
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35. I don't care what Tom Cruise does
or doesn't do, but I wish MSM would find something else to discuss outside of a fairy-tale wedding in some Italian castle. What the fugg is fairy-tale about a third wedding. Enough of this fugging circus.

I'd like to see what Dumbya is destroying in Vietnam and I can't wait to see the Indonesian protests.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 01:49 PM
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40. I'm with YOU.. a THIRD WEDDING?? I'm sorry, but that should be
a "do not cover" sort of thing.. If a celebrity with tons o' money cannot make two marriages "work", why on earth would we ever care about yet ANOTHER wedding??

I feel sorry for people who are so wrapped up in what celebrities do..

If Tom & Katie want to get married..bully for them..but why should the media be so intent on turning a 3-ring circus into a 10 ring circus..

beats me

and if he's gay?? so what?

Lots of gay people marry.. If katie's ok with his lifestyle, why should WE care..

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:50 PM
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48. it's how we talk abt human nature w.out gossiping about our neighbors
i'm not sure why we hate ourselves so for talking about celebs, it is a great improvement on what we used to do in times gone by....talk about our neighbors!

people are gonna talk about human nature and human weakness with human examples, better the gossip be about a celeb who won't be harmed by it, than a neighbor who could be utterly destroyed

older people here know exactly what i'm talking about
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Chomp Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 03:24 PM
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43. Very simple OP
He is just a 22-caret, stone-cold, up and down, 100% nutcase.

Ever seen "Magnolia"? Great movie, and Cruise puts in a stunningly good performance, in large part I suspect because of the similarities between Tom himself and the deeply unpleasant character he plays.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 06:04 PM
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46. They say he's gay because he is at least bi-sexual. My brother-in-law
and sister-in-law used to live in the same apartment building as him in NYC. He used to bring "young men" home all the time.
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