Iran's men are afraid of women

[donsu]

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Religion&loid=8.0.360591216&par=0


IRAN: MORE RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED ON WOMEN


The hardline administration of president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday introduced new restrictions on women. In Iran's National Security Council, women must now work in separate rooms from men, and may not attend meetings with their male colleagues. Segregation in the school system has been extended to teachers as well as pupils: at all levels, girls' schools may only be staffed by female teachers, who may not teach at boys' schools and institutes.

In universities, where male and female students have for some time sat in separate areas, CCTV cameras have been installed to monitor contact between the two sexes. The first woman-only hospitals are due to open soon, the health ministry has announced.
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how pitiful is that? what cruel sissys Iranian men are. what ignorant bullys.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. Ayatollah Khomenei Said

"Whenever a man and a woman are alone in a room the third person is Satan."

[donsu]

5. Satan is a construct - Khomenei was a religious con man

nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. That's A Funny Saying Though...

eom

[donsu]

9. guess 'funny' is in the mind of the beholder

I think it's a stupid saying

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Stupid...Funny...

But he has said a lot of funny or stupid things in my estimation...

[conscious evolution]

38. The 'church lady' in my church

when I was a kid used to say the same thing.

[fujiyama]

42. I guess you have to account for hormones somehow right:?

So according to Khomenei, satan=hormomes...

[rockymountaindem]

2. I guess it must be real hard to defend Ahmadinejad now

But I'm sure some will continue to try.

[wuushew]

7. Can you please cite examples of support for Ahmadinejad on DU?

The only thing that comes to my mind is people pointing out the degree to which his statments are mistranslated in regards to Israel.

[rockymountaindem]

8. I've seen some DUers suggesting that his "anti-imperial" stance

is the right one for the region. I don't have time to look up links.

[Strelnikov_]

31. So You Think An Imperial Stance/US Hegemony Is Right For The Region?

Ah-jad has little power. His position appears to be a mix of Senate Majority Leader and White House spokesman.

Oppression by the Iranian Government is a problem to be solved by the Iranian people.

[rockymountaindem]

37. Look, I'm just not one who thinks that

Ahmadinejad is any kind of reasonable alternative to anything. Going from the status quo to whatever he has in mind would be going from bad to bad, or bad to worse.

[mr blur]

3. Rather like fundamentalist christians, really (nt)

[annabanana]

4. nonono

they are such he-man raging warriors that they can't be expected to control their "urges". . .

pitiful

[riderinthestorm]

12. The chador, the original shroud, is still required in Iran for women too.

:puke:

[Opusnone]

14. Not so...

Women are required to cover their hair, much like Orthodox Jews or certain Christian sects.
Modern Iranian women are no different than their European counterparts in the manner of style and dress, with the exception
of having to cover their hair.
Before the Islamic revolution, if you do not remember, Iran was the most cosmopolitan and modernized nation in the Middle East.
Tehran was oft compared to Paris. The revolution, like many other religious movements, turned society backward to ultra orthodoxy and shunned the modern trappings of the west.
It is now up to the PEOPLE of Iran, who are the youngest population in the World, to take their great country back from the grips of the tyrannical Mullahs and once again celebrate the glory which was lost.

Thanks for the chance to rant.

[riderinthestorm]

16. The law states that they must wear a full length coat and hijab

if they aren't wearing the actual chador.

There are multiple articles on this if you google (this is just one example) http://www.first48.com/guide/features/muslimcode.php

I know that Tehran used to be very cosmopolitan but even though Iranian women are trying to get around the clothing laws by shortening their coats in 2006, it doesn't change what is governmentally required and what most women wear.

[Skidmore]

23. You are correct. A headscarf and a "duster" coat, so

fashionable now here is sufficient covering.

[Opusnone]

25. But is not a chador

as the post implied.

Chador
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A chador (Persian ????) is an outer garment worn by some Iranian women when they venture out into public; it is one possible way in which a Muslim woman may follow the Islamic ?ij?b dress code.
A chador is a full-length semi-circle of fabric open down the front. It is thrown over the head and held shut in front. A chador has no hand openings or closures but is held shut by the hands or teeth or by wrapping the ends around the waist.
Traditionally, a chador was worn with a headscarf (rusæri), blouse (pirhan) and skirt (doman) or skirt over pants (shælvar). The face would be covered with a long rectangular white veil starting below the eyes. (The modern chador does not require the long rectangular veil.) Inside the house, the chador and veil were discarded and women wore cooler and lighter garments.
Before the modern revival of the chador, black was eschewed for its connotations of death and funerals; white or printed fabrics were preferred. The current Iranian government, following the teachings of Ayatollah Khomeini, considers black the proper color for a chador. However, some women still prefer to wear chadors of different, lighter colors. Elderly rural women have disdained the modern fashion, and some young women indulge in colored chadors.
Iranian women are not required to wear chadors. Some do so, as wearing it is a claim to respectability and Islamic piety. However, women may also fulfill the government requirements for modest dress by wearing a combination of a headscarf and a long overcoat which conceals the arms and legs. The overcoat is known by a French word, manteau. Over time, many women have worn their headscarves further and further back on their heads, revealing more and more of their hair, and the manteaus have become more colorful and form-fitting.

[Skidmore]

26. Not not a chador. I have worn both forms of hijab there.

Either is acceptable. The chador is more desirable to wear at a funeral or in a mosque or a religious observance.

[Opusnone]

27. Yet not everyone is religious

Just like in the US.

I think, and if you have the ability to look at my past posts, that there is a constant PR campaign against Iran being waged across our cable channels, blogs and newspapers.

I don't appreciate that DU is a part of it, but I understand free speech.

If the Iranians had free speech from inside their country outward to us, they would say the same things I do. I don't pretend to be their proxy, but I will stand up to planted stories and warmongering propaganda on this board as often as possible.

[Skidmore]

28. I am not an observant Christian and am not a Muslim, but

did wear hijab out of respect when necessary before the revolution and out of necessity afterward. I knew lots of women who were not particularly religious. I have a lot of respect for the Iranian culture and the people and wish them well. It is quite often the case that leaders of nations war while their peoples would prefer to live in peace. I have not seen any warmongering on this board, but then again, I don't visit all threads.

[Warpy]

10. It's astonishing how many clergy are closeted

especially conservative clergy. They have to keep women away lest they're found out. Also, repressed and self loathing gays always consider that part of them that's attracted to other men "weak" and "feminine," and thus develop a visceral hatred of anything female.

They'd love to do the same thing here. They're already attacking contraception. Look at the lunatic Stupid put in charge of family planning in this country.

[Harper_is_Bush]

13. I think your generalized attack on Iranian men is not legitimate.

Are all Americans Arab-hating war-mongers because of the actions of your Government?

[Opusnone]

15. Thank you for saying that before me.

:)

[ContraBass Black]

33. Seconded.

[Strelnikov_]

39. Motion Is Carried n/t

[treestar]

17. I was talking to an Iranian expat who is now a US citizen

She just traveled back to Iran to visit after now having been there for a generation at least.

She gave me the impression these rules are not really followed. Couples live together without being married, they have to wear the head covering, but wear an abbreviated symbolic one (like the doiley Catholic women used to put on their heads as a "hat" to go to church in) and that youth laugh at the mullahs behind their backs. They text each other all the time and apparently what they say in that context is safe from government prying.

[Opusnone]

18. They also party and do drugs

and have unprotected sex, and watch sports, and drink, and fight, and every other thing that human beings do.

The legality and public displays of these things are what differ from country to country.

ps Pizza delivery guys deliver booze to parties.

[genie_weenie]

19. Ohhh... Ohhhh.. I'm so torn!

Do I type a response attacking this post as a slander on ALL MEN? Or do I support the attack on Followers of Islam? Decisions, decisions...

[Strelnikov_]

34. When In Doubt Just Let The JDAMS Of FREEDOM Fly

Sometimes you just have to kill them to save them.

They are the 'other', after all, and I should detest them and be scared of them and want to liberate them according to Beck and Limpballs and Hannity and O'Reilly and . . .




Pretty amazing the effect the conditioning is having, isn't it.

[hsher]

20. Ahmadinejad needs to come out - look at this

Third panel. That's not a doctored photo.

[Skidmore]

22. Oh, for keerist's sake. I get so tired of this sort of thing.

In the Middle East, men and women greet members of their own gender with a kiss of peace. It serves the same purpose of a handshake in the west--a gesture of friendship. It is absolutely ignorant to equate it with sexuality in anyway. This form of greeting is an ancient one.

[hsher]

36. Um, correction, my friend

Have you lived in the Middle East? I have. For you to pretend by implication of your above statement that homosexuality does not exist in the Middle East, and that you know by absolute fact Mahmoud is not possibly homosexual and showing the often negative, typical symptoms of homosexual self-repression, is enough for me to say "oh keerist" right back to you on. The ancient male fraternal kiss exists enough, true - men hold hands and kiss on the mouth in Islamic countries; but add to that kiss Ahmadenijad's scurrilous phobia towards women and several other factors indicating possible sexual repression, and you get the conclusion that sometimes a cigar is more than a cigar. I appreciate your somewhat reflexive comment, but as someone who has spent time in Muslim countries and witnessed the vibrant manloving culture endemic to (all societies including) theirs, I politely disagree with you. You simply do not have enough data to conclude Ahmadenijad is NOT homosexual. So far there are two pieces of data we all collectively possess indicating he just may be.

Research the male sexual slave culture of Saudi Arabia, for instance. See if there are any Google entries on wealthy homosexual Muslim men's activities in the desert at night: such as driving anonymously to the open country and trading and buying attractive young men in the suqs. I know what I'm talking about. My father lived there for a half a decade working for the CIA.

The jury remains in, the question remains open and unanswered, and I tip my hat and bow out from further commentary.

[Skidmore]

41. I did not say that there is not

homosexuality in the Middle East. I'm just saying don't assume homosexuality because you see people of the same gender exchange a kiss of greeting. Lord knows, I've kissed other women there in greeting countless times and those exchanges did not constitute a sexual encounter. Nor does it necessarily follow that the habits of "wealthy Muslim men" are anything but that.

Also avoiding members of the other gender does not necessarily constitute a "phobia". I would argue that more often than not it reflects observing the societal mores in public. Lots goes on behind closed doors there, and if you are engaging in an illicit relationship, you pray you don't get caught because the sanctions are extremely severe. It does not follow without question that not hanging out with women in public if you are a devout practitioner of the faith means that you are "phobic" or a homosexual.

You make an additional mistake in extrapolating Arab practices to Iranian culture. Iranians are not Arabs and would take issue with being called so. They have a distinct and separate culture, with many divergences, including religious ones.

Men and women over are slower to sexual maturity. Marriages are arranged when a man has some success in a trade or a career. Hence, there tends to be an age differential between men and their spouses. That does not imply that the man is inexperienced with women necessarily. Have you heard of the existence of siqeh marriages? Concubinage is safety valve that has beendeveloped in Iranian society. It is more like a form of legalized prostitution in which a man may contract with a woman for any period of time from 1 hour to their lifetime. He enjoys all the benefits of being married. However, these women and children born of such contracted relationships cannot inherit upon the man's death. I've known a number of such couples.

Lastly, do not ever assume that because, as a Westerner, you've been admitted to the family, that you indeed know the intimate details of the family. There is a reason why life goes on behind walled compounds in these nations. It is to maintain the privacy of the home and family. You may be a guest there but that does not mean you know jack squat about the relationships or the domestic issues in that family. Period. Westerners assume too much and are too willing to fill in the blanks based upon our cultural norms rather than just admitting that we do not know.

[stepnw1f]

21. Many American Men As Well (nt)

[meow2u3]

24. Bushco wants to attack Iran for the wrong reasons

A real man--or woman--would go into Iran to liberate women from male oppression. Or at least that's what i'd do.

[oblivious]

29. Yes horrible. (pictures of the horror).

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/campbell101106.html

[oblivious]

30. Women hold 30 seats in the Iranian parliament. How many women in the US congress?

[Strelnikov_]

32. You Are Being A Real Buzz-Kill In This Two-Minute Hate n/t

[oblivious]

40. LOL. These things are hilarious.

[QuestionAll...]

35. some men (in very powerful positions) are afraid of women, globally.

and pass that onto their pleebs in many messages in so many ways, all over the world, mostly for politcal gain like that big succubus Religion thing, or the Football thing, or anything that is male dominant membered.
after all, how can one invent missiles and catapults and glorious works of art ,all that kind of stuff if they had to clean up after themselves or have to look after their squawking children...

comes down to birthing. jealousy of birthing, jealousy of giving life, so they will take it instead - in heinous ways throughout the centuries. Kill the goddess mother earth. Let swords reign.