Need statistical help in beating down a GOP sorry-ass lying

[HCE SuiGeneris]

dick-head. He hates generalizations towards the Repukes -- but submits to me that "George Bush and all Republicans exalt the effort of the individual - individual responsibility, individual success and individual achievement where as the liberal left exalts the power of government and the state."
:puke:

I am looking for a laundry-list of statistics/facts that refute this BS. Deficit numbers and increased gov't spending, individual loss of freedoms, failure in the wars... hell, there is too much ammo for my mind to even put together a coherent response.

Any one care to help me put this ass-wipe in his place? I'm not feeling up to snuff today.

[MannyGoldstein]

1. I Have An Entire Site Dedicated To This

BlueWorksBettter.com - statistics comparing outcomes of Liberal and Right-wing policies.

Try: http://blueworksbetter.com/PresidentsGDPGrowth , for example.

(Seems to me that the evidence shows that George Bush and all Republicans exalt in body bags and poor outcomes.)

[HCE SuiGeneris]

2. Thank you Manny! n/t

[emdee]

7. Thank you for creating that site -

I'm adding it to my favs!
emdee

[Onlooker]

8. Great site

I like those statistics a lot!

[madmusic]

10. Page not found, it's the ","

EDIT: Just visited. Great site!

[MannyGoldstein]

11. Thanks! I Updated the Post (nm)

[Minnesota_Lib]

13. Great info, Manny. Bookmarked.

[bbernardini]

14. But those nice folks at newsbusters.org said you cooked the books!

:sarcasm: :evilgrin:

[Minnesota_Lib]

15. Manny, here is a link with info you might be able to use at your site...

...about market returns that contradicts Republican talking points.

http://finance.yahoo.com/columnist/article/futureinvest/3022

Average Annualized Stock Return from 1948 to Feb. 2006

Democratic Presidents 15.26%
Republican Presidents 9.53%
Overall 11.95%


Since 1948, Republican Administrations have controlled the White House 57.2 percent of the time. But during the period that the GOP was in office, stock returns have averaged only 9.53 percent per year, while under Democratic administrations, stocks returned 15.25 percent per year, more than five percentage points higher.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

17. That was perfect! Thank you, thank you. eom

[William769]

3. Just tell the asswipe to review 2000, to 2006!

and see if "George Bush and all Republicans exalt the effort of the individual - individual responsibility, individual success and individual achievement".

[Rosemary2205]

4. If GW values the individual so much

why is he using the power of the state to force individuals who's enlistment has expired to continue to serve in Iraq against their individual will?

If the individual is so important to the Republican why are they using the power of the state to make decisions about what medical treatment can be given to an individual who was raped?

And if individuals are to be exalted in their successes then why do Republicans insist on punishing homesexual individuals with successful relationships?

[niceypoo]

5. Its not up to you to prove him wrong, ask him to "List a few examples."

I deal with this shit all the time bantering with repubs in my political chatroom. I have a one size fits all answer for all their talking points,"List a few examples." Ask for specific examples of where Bush did anything to further individualism and not for cronies or corporations. The thing about talking points is that they are made to sound good but they are shallow and baseless, so when you ask for examples to back their claims they generally dont have any. This works at least 90% of the time.

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[hfojvt]

6. it's kinda hard to acheive that much as an individual

These rich Waltons and Gates and others in the Fortune 400, did they really do it all by themself or did they have alot of employees working hard for them?

What about the power of gold?

and what about the accomplishments of the state that benefit us all?

[Rosemary2205]

9. This is a very good point.

If all those kids that joined the military to escape poverty hadn't been willing to do then, then who would be fighting in all those wars designed to enrich the ultra wealthy throughout the world? or join the national guard to shoot those unruly uppity poor people decide to revolt and demand economic justice.

Where would Bill Gates be if there weren't any asian sweatshops building computers?

Where would the Rockfellers be if there weren't chinese immigrants in the 1800's breaking their backs for peanuts?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

12. Thanks all for the responses... much

appreciated!

:toast: :applause:

[Minnesota_Lib]

16. BD12..see my post to Manny (#15) in this tread about market returns.

[On the Road]

18. Well, If He Believes That Effort Should be Rewarded,

he should take the position that wages should be taxed at a lower rate than passive income such as interest on bonds and savings, dividends, appreciation of property, and rental income. Instead, Republicans continually argue for a lower capital gains rate, which rewards passive income. The reason is that Republicans support those who are already rich, not those who are trying to better themselves through their own efforts.

If you ask one of these low-tax people for a balanced budget that represents their values, they can't do it. Not even close.