Life for women in Afghanistan--

[nolies32fouettes]

please help respond here.

http://progressiveu.org/160437-have-we-really-helped-women-in-afghanistan

Thanks du!

[nolies32fouettes]

1. Is anyone else here happy saying the life for women is far improved?

If not then please speak up.

[KitSileya]

2. I do agree that Afghanistan is not a country in which it is nice to be a woman.

However, I was interested in the claims made by Sarah in her discussion with you - have things changed for women in Afghanistan? It's not good, but is there some minute progress being made? I do not think we can expect things to change overnight - heck, even the US doesn't have equality a century and a half after the Seneca Falls declaration, and women there are in danger of losing rights as we speak.

However, I do remember being incandescent with rage when the world protested the Taliban demolition of those buddha statues, and kept quiet about the treatment of women, except some female celebrities having fundraisers and trying to raise awareness of the issue. How the US, NATO and the rest of the world have botched the job in Afghanistan after 9/11 can be discussed, but it is very, very, clear that they botched the job with Afghanistan prior to 9/11. They didn't do anything except issue weak objections to the Taliban oppression of Afghani women - if they didn't support the Taliban because of oil. Afghanistan will need much work to get back to the 20th, let alone the 21st century. A lot of schools for girls are being built for the third or fourth time, as they keep being burnt down.

[nolies32fouettes]

5. and many stay home rather than risk death.

[etherealtruth]

3. It's a joke (albeit a very sad one)

... to think the chimp and the evil cabal have made anyone's life better anywhere ... especially the lives of women and children.
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/desperate-afghan-women-die-to-flee/20061118160009990004?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[nolies32fouettes]

4. please reply to that thread! It needs a dose of reality there.

[nolies32fouettes]

6. more posts there needed, please!

[nolies32fouettes]

7. thanks

[oblivious]

8. I'm wondering where you got the figure of 273,648 civilian deaths as a result of the war.

I don't doubt it, given the number of bombs and missiles dumped on the country in the past five years.

[etherealtruth]

9. My understanding is that the only place "coalition" troops and ...

The official Afghani Government has any control is Kabul itself ... the horrific human rights abuses against women continue outside of of Kabul ... with little or NO improvement.

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/09/7d9925b9-96ee-4698-b292-dc4eafb0e18e.html

[nolies32fouettes]

10. oh please post that over there! We need more voices. & they don't

nag the registered user. (Though most people register with one of their nonbusiness accounts anyways. They email you a password to make sure it's a legit person. That's all.)

[ray of light]

11. I don't get dunningboy and Sarah1000's comments when

nobody said the Taliban should return.

Seemed like they were stuck on "FAR BETTER" or "BETTER THAN BEFORE"

But they seemed willing to allow Bush to get away with the troop diversion.

[ConsAreLiars]

12. I don't know if you want to go this far into history, but

prior to the US intervention that brought the Taleban into power, slow progress in the rights of women was being made. The US empowered and armed the sort of Fundie fanatics there that form the base of the Right here, and things went very far backwards as a result. The proper comparison in my view is to the status of women there before the US installed the Taleban.