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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:24 PM
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Hadley: Bush connected with ordinary Vietnamese by waving
Unlike Clinton, Bush Sees Hanoi in Bit of a Hurry
By DAVID E. SANGER and HELENE COOPER

HANOI, Vietnam, Sunday, Nov. 19 — President Bush likes speed golf and speed tourism — this is the man who did the treasures of Red Square in less than 20 minutes — but here in the lake-studded capital of a nation desperately eager to connect with America, he set a record. On Saturday, Mr. Bush emerged from his hotel for only one nonofficial event, a 15-minute visit to the Joint P.O.W./M.I.A. Accounting Command, which searches for the remains of the 1,800 Americans still listed as missing in the Vietnam War. There were almost no Vietnamese present, just a series of tables displaying photographs of the group’s painstaking work, and helmets, shoes and replicas of bones recovered by the 425 members of the command. He asked a few questions and then sped off in his motorcade...

The mood of this trip could not have been more different from the visit of another president, Bill Clinton, exactly six years ago this weekend, when he seemed to be everywhere... In 2000, tens of thousands of Hanoi’s residents poured into the streets to witness the visit of the first American head of state since the end of the Vietnam War. Mr. Clinton toured the thousand-year-old Temple of Literature, grabbed lunch at a noodle shop, argued with Communist Party leaders about American imperialism and sifted the earth for the remains of a missing airman.

On Saturday, Mr. Bush’s national security adviser, Stephen J. Hadley, conceded that the president had not come into direct contact with ordinary Vietnamese, but said that they connected anyway. “If you’d been part of the president’s motorcade as we’ve shuttled back and forth,” he said, reporters would have seen that “the president has been doing a lot of waving and getting a lot of waving and smiles.” He continued: “I think he’s gotten a real sense of the warmth of the Vietnamese people and their willingness to put a very difficult period for both the United States and Vietnam behind them.” ...

The Vietnamese are teetering somewhere between welcoming and overwhelmed as world leaders zoom through their streets and jam the hotels so fully that several diplomats have been housed in youth hostels. The country wants to portray itself as a rising competitor to China, but this is still a city with the slow-paced feel of an Asia that has been largely lost, one where the bicycle and the moped are the chief modes of transportation, and where old houses cooled by lazy ceiling fans have yet to be bulldozed for look-alike condos, Beijing-style...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/world/asia/19vietnam.html

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:28 PM
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1. Right. And I am sure that his comments at the beginning of the trip
(or immediately before) from the media about what lessons he has learned from Vietman, that pertain to Iraq, - when he said that the US should have stayed longer (leading to even more Vietnamese deaths) went over real well with the Vietnamese.

When I heard his response to that question, earlier this week, knowing that he was either already there, or on his way, I thought to myself... "great diplomatic rhetoric... great way to 'win over the hearts and minds'." Diplomacy involves having the sense to know when one's audience is not solely domestic, and when to choose one's words wisely.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:33 PM
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4. Is there a word for "pitifully lame x 1,000"?
Bush "connects" with the Vietnamese people by WAVING? Christ on a waffle...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:51 PM
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9. embarrassment? abject embarrassment?
total abject embarrassment? Though that describes the US, not Bush - as he appears to be unembarrassable (as he has no sense of shame, decorum, or any sense that requires self-reflection.)
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:20 AM
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14. Oh, God, You're Right -- I Didn't Even Make the Connection
Publicly stating IN VIETNAM that the US should have stayed longer? Does he even know what government he's visiting?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:30 PM
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2. These people are absolutely incredible. It's not possible to satirize
stuff like this:

“If you’d been part of the president’s motorcade as we’ve shuttled back and forth,” he said, reporters would have seen that “the president has been doing a lot of waving and getting a lot of waving and smiles.” He continued: “I think he’s gotten a real sense of the warmth of the Vietnamese people and their willingness to put a very difficult period for both the United States and Vietnam behind them.” ...
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:32 PM
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3. As they yell your number 10
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:39 PM
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6. You Nummmba Ten, G.I.
Edited on Sat Nov-18-06 10:40 PM by Jackpine Radical
You got fi'ty P, G.I.? You wan You wan boom-boom? You wan Ba-Muoi Ba? You wan dinky-dao?
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:37 PM
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5. Bush's helicopter flew by my house two years ago
So he was able to get a real sense that I thought he sucked as a President. I gave his copter the finger as it flew by.
:sarcasm:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:41 PM
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7. I'm sure he appreciated the thoughtful feedback on his performance.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 10:47 PM
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8. We had a very meaningful exchange in that fleeting 1/100th of a second
I think we connected on a visceral level.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:24 PM
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10. Shallow and pathetic.
Just another day in hell.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:43 PM
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11. The man could not be respectful and sincere if his life depended on it.
Or if, in fact, all of our lives begin to depend on cooperation across many nations. And yet, he goes abroad and acts as a complete asshat, a man that I DO NOT WANT representing ME to the rest of the world!!
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neilepi Donating Member (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-18-06 11:54 PM
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12. Great slogan opportunity
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:00 AM
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13. It's amazing how much connection you can make to people just driving/flying by.
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