John Kerry-- 100% on message for Dems and OUR Issues

[nolies32fouettes]

They tried to cream him with PRONOUNGATE...but HE PREVAILED so WE CAN PREVAIL.

http://www.progressiveu.org/172340-kerrys-first-words-since-pronoungate

[patrice]

1. He is an articulate person. Educate. Educate. Educate the People

at every opportunity, so they can lead themselves.

[nolies32fouettes]

2. He also had complete control of the interview.

[patrice]

7. Yep. Proactive engagement on Democratic terms, not MSM's!!

Don't let those twits tell us what we're interested in and what we're about.

[nolies32fouettes]

24. Very good message discipline! he stayed right on top of it!

[StClone]

3. Yes Kerry is Relevant !

Many have written off Kerry because the Swift Boaters have contaminated even our minds. I would love to see two robbed Dems Gore/Kerry get in the WH just to send the Wing Things into fits.

[fooj]

4. Now THERE'S an idea.

[nolies32fouettes]

5. lol--true. BUT it might be like that movie "My Fellow Americans"

and see which one WOULD be Pres. and which one VP.

[nolies32fouettes]

6. video link

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/19/wallace-torments-kerry-with-botched-joke-interrogation

[stepnw1f]

8. Great Post nolies32fouettes

[nolies32fouettes]

16. Oh thank you!!!

:toast:

[texanshatingbush]

9. He prevailed in our eyes, but

Kerry's lack of political instinct is simply appalling. What did he think he had to gain going on Fox. Chris Wallace rerunning the botched Kerry joke discussion is only a diversion for the Fox faithful from the grim reality created by their leadership.

As always the Fox faithful only hear what Wallace says, efforts by Kerry to change the subject is seen as not answering the question. So what did Kerry accomplish, to the Fox faithful, a reminder he's un-american.

[Mass]

10. Not necessarily. I know people who saw the interview and thought that

the rumor of his death was greatly exaggerated. They are not Kerry's supporters, but they saw him explain his case and he is no more dead to them. This was the goal.

There are a lot of Fox viewers who are not freepers, and they are the ones who matter. My in-laws are a perfect examples. They are long-life conservative democrats. They listen to FOX because it is an easy listening and, unfortunately, sometimes they are contaminated. Hearing a different story was good for them and probably good for many others. The world goes beyond the netroots, you know.

[nolies32fouettes]

23. good point mass. AND we have to get our side OUT on Fox & fight

for every viewer!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

11. What is your point?

The Fox faithful will not change you say. So screw the Fox faithful.

Kerry was very good in this interview and he ran this interview right over Chris Wallace. He resonated strength in a Dem vs. Repug way. This IS a good thing!

[nolies32fouettes]

15. The fox faithful won't care...except that the message will get legs

and spread.

And as other networks vie to have him and other articulate politicians on, it only helps us.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

18. Your thread I understand nolies32... sorry, I was addressing

"texanshatingbush".

[nolies32fouettes]

20. Oh thank you for clarifying for me. (Sometimes it's hard)

[ginnyinWI]

25. yes, and it shows the wingnuts that he's not going away.

They might have expected him to go away and stay gone. Now they know he's tough enough to bounce right back at 'em. That's got to count for something. We know he's tough, but they only know the spun version of John Kerry--unless he goes on FOX and shows them the real JK.

[texanshatingbush]

22. Kerry spent half the interview apologizing

Sure Kerry reminded Wallace of valid Democratic talking points, but this means little to the Fox faithful, they've heard it before. The Fox faithful have had a bad couple of weeks, they need motivation,and confirmation of their feelings toward Democrats.

Having Kerry apologize over and over again in the context of the up coming presidential race was the point of this interview. Fox now has fresh material to take out of context to keep this going. Kerry should know better.

[blm]

12. It shows he doesn't fear the fox's lair, at all. That matters.

And with most voters declaring CORRUPTION was the major issue for them, both GOPs and Dems, Kerry is in the best position to deal with that enormous DC problem, as there isn't any lawmaker of the last 35 years who comes even close to John Kerry in the area of investigating and exposing government corruption.

[nolies32fouettes]

17. exactly right!

[nolies32fouettes]

13. Are YOU kidding me? HE WENT straight AT their 'strong point"

AND he kicked them where it hurts.

Just wait...it will get better! I'm sure of it.

And if all Dems stop playing games and just take the message out there, then the media would HAVE TO back down.

[iilana X]

37. Not all Fox viewers are the fox faithful.

If everyone who watches Fox were Fox faithful, we wouldn't have won in the midterms. Until I knew better, I watched Fox. Their sister channel produces some great entertainment and their news show takes a page from P.T. Barnum. They give the public what they want: junk. It's like reality TV, just not all that real.

While their motive is still RW propaganda, they're running a little scared after the elections. They've tamed down quite a bit from their pre-midterm foaming-at-the-mouth rhetoric. They are in defense mode, whether it shows or not and we need to keep pushing them without stop.

John Kerry is a prime target of Fox and I think they hold him in special anmity, probably because of the threat he represents: clear thinking from the left. He represents their fear of losing the power of the lie. John Kerry keeps touting truth, fairness and logic. No wonder he terrifies Fox and company.

As for this particular interview, Wallace looked like a total idiot. While Fox faithful won't "get" that, others who happen to watch Fox will make the comparison between a patriotic statesman and a talking-head fool.

Don't give up on the mildly conservative because they might be the liberal Democrats of the future.

[Johnny Noshoes]

42. "Don't give up on the mildly conservative"

You are so right. I was 18 in 1972 and voted for Nixon - a year or so later after really paying attention I became a Democrat and I've gotten MORE liberal as I've gotten older. So remember folks people can be persuaded to our side but it takes work, time, and patience.

[Quantess]

14. Kerry's pretty great, but, I don't think he should run for president again. (EOM)

[nedbal]

41. Kerry's pretty great, but, I don't think he should run for president in 08 (EOM)

[stillcool]

19. I am such a sucker...

every time there is a post with the word 'Kerry' in it, I have to click. And every time it pisses me off. I'm not saying the man walks on water, but I don't understand why so many choose to ignore basic decent human qualities.

[nolies32fouettes]

21. I think he's a decent guy. Politics is usually full of s/h like Mccain

And Rove.

What the hell happened to McCain?

McCain used to be decent like Kerry. That disappoints me.

[karynnj]

28. McCain was not decent like Kerry from the moment he entered the Senate

He dumped the wife who cared for their kids and waited for him through all those years in Vietnam - and McCain in his 40s married a beautiful heiress in her 20s. He was involved in the Savings & Loan scandal.

He simply became worse The media created the McCain myth.

[ray of light]

31. which scandal? He did a great job of building that myth.

[JI7]

39. Keating

Charles Keating.

look up "Keating 5" on google. McCain can also be personally very offensive with the horrible joke against Chelsea Clinton (at a time when Chelsea was still a kid) and his continuing use of the term "gooks" in 2000 which was used to dehumanize an entire people.

[karynnj]

48. As J17 says he was one of the Keating 5

So, why Kerry was risking his career to fight a corrupt bank - McCain had his little paws in the money. McCain/Feingold was his way of making amends.

You are right about the media building his myth. I would love a media that is 180 grees different than the one we had. Who is more a hero fighting for the public good and true American values than John Kerry. He has spent a life time doing that.

- He was a hero in Vietnam
- He fought to end a war so others wouldn't die and he fought for better treatment of the veterans. (He didn't need this for himself- he was a wellconnected, Yale graduate war hero with a fantastic, beautiful fiancee and a family that loved him to greet him when he returned - he was aware that others weren't as lucky.)
- He fought the mafia and crime as a prosecutor and fought to help the victims and under priviledged youth.
- He fought drug and gun running done with CIA tacit agreement to fund the Contras in defiance of Congress
- He fought the entire Senate, Bush 1 and Carter to stop a corrupt bank involved in international crime and terrorism

and he is still leading people to dissent and take Americ back to its values.

If someone wrote a book, play or movie script making the Senator hero so central to so many fights, it would be rejected as unbelievable. Maybe a comic book would do. And in his spare time he saves another Senator from choking. This beats McCain by several miles - a maverick completely supported by the media - is this an oxymoron. Would McCain stand against his entire party allowing top Repubulicans to go to jail?

[emulatorloo]

26. kick n/t

[nolies32fouettes]

30. thanks.

[rodeodance]

45. kick

[Alexander]

27. Whatever....he'll never be president.

He had his chance, in 2004. He blew every opportunity.

I could see him as Secretary of State or Ambassador to the UN or something. He'd make a good statesman, and he's smart. But President? No.

[nolies32fouettes]

29. maybe or maybe not. It's not really the point anyway.

Most people get that too.

[Alexander]

32. And what is the point? That he's a Democrat smeared by the media?

Tell me something I don't know. :eyes:

I met Kerry. I voted for him. I canvassed and worked for his campaign. But a lot of his wounds were self-inflicted.

He would still have a lot more credibility, IMO, if he didn't keep answering "maybe" to the presidential question. I think he could still be a good fighter in the Senate, as before. I would consider him a modern day Adlai Stevenson - highly intelligent, educated and knowledgeable about the issues, and I hope to see him as SOS or UN ambassador someday.

But we got a taste of his presidential campaigning abilities two years ago, and they were piss-poor.

[ray of light]

33. Yeh, but we saw Gore's in 2000 and they were equally as piss-poor

But I'd vote for either. BECAUSE despite their 2000 performance or the 2004 performance both learned from the experience.

Plus, I think the tastes of 2000 and 2004 made them realize they have to do things differently from what the DC milqueweed political types tell them.

And though either may falter, they know the pitfalls better than any candidate.

[Alexander]

52. Yeah, winning by 500,000 votes is sure piss-poor....

:eyes:

Gore has learned a lot more than Kerry from the race, from what I've seen.

[LittleClarkie]

50. I don't think the OP mentioned the "P" word

And we'll still be here, supporting him, even if he doesn't run.

My second choice for him is Attorney General, actually.

[wisteria]

34. He is a man on a mission to prove to the American public that they

made a wise decision voting for Democrats and they can trust him to get it right.

[nolies32fouettes]

35. True.

[LWolf]

43. I think he's the wrong man for that job.

While I appreciate his long years of good service, I don't "trust him to get it right."

IWR. Patriot Act. I'm glad that he decided to join the opposition AFTER he voted for them, but I'm more likely to TRUST those who knew better when it counted: at time they cast their vote.

I feel that way regardless of the botched stump speech.

[Unbowed]

36. Kerry was damn good. He made Wallace look grade school.

I swore I'd never watch Focks News, but this interview with Wallace was a match not to be missed.

John Kerry completely outclassed Wallace: a battle of wits with unarmed. This was comparable to a welterweight trying to take down Evander Holyfield. NFW!

It reminded me of the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique from the movie "Kill Bill" where the victim remains standing after the blows are administered, then takes 5 steps and their heart explodes. Wallace probably thought he did a good job until he watch the tape afterward...and dropped.

Focks News can be entertaining after all. Thank you and bravo, Senator Kerry.

[BlueIris]

38. Yes, still the most on-message Dem. And hee. Pronoungate.

Hee.

[Election]

40. No, he didn't prevail, the Dems prevailed

n/t

[rodeodance]

44. Kerry showed the people what a little mind Chris Wallace has

yesday during the interview.

[ray of light]

46. Fox screwed up Wallace's carreer and their own hidden bias

when they set him up. Now it's clear to most people what Fox is.

[Sensitivity]

51. Careful --- don't want to be too upity with the media bosses.

[wisteria]

47. It was a wonderful thing to watch. Wallace struggling to make a small

flub into a big thing and Senator Kerry, on message changing the subject to what really is important- the Iraq war mess, the Middle East and our country's safety.
Kerry came out the bigger man from all of this.

[nolies32fouettes]

49. Wallace even had the stress-squeek in his voice. Regardless--

Kerry said what he needed to.

And he took it to their 'mouth piece of the white house'. He actually got to repeat the point about the media and the White House flaming the misinformation.

AND he kept getting back on issues.

He didn't even stop talking until HE was READY to stop.