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angry_chuck Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 08:43 PM
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Stopping H.R. 550 Because We Can't Compromise on Democracy
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Following the General Election of 2006, which returned control of the U.S. House and Senate to the Democrats, Common Cause sent a mass email to its members exhorting them to support House Resolution 550, also known as the Holt Bill. H.R. 550 provides for the addition of "paper trails" to electronic voting, provides for audits of 2% or more of the paper trails with discrepancies to be resolved in favor of the paper trail, makes permanent and further strengthens the Election Assistance Commission (EAC), and requires that source code for e-voting machines be disclosed and placed in escrow.
Yet Common Cause is DEEPLY wrong about H.R. 550 as a solution to the problems in America's election systems...

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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 08:47 PM
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1. Hand Counted Paper Ballots NOW! ...or Fascism Forever.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:03 PM
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2. I can see already that we're going to have HAVA II shoved down our throats.
They've got Diane Feinstein in charge of the Senate committee on elections. This is ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ad, folks! Really, really bad! They're going to STRENGTHEN and make permanent the so-called Election Assistance Commission, which has already done so much damage to our election system, and CENTRALIZE all power over elections, by giving ONLY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH (the President and his/her cronies) access to escrowed SECRET PROGRAMMING CODE by which all votes, everywhere in the nation, will be tabulated (as most of them already are). Not your local election official. Not your secretary of state. Not YOU! Only the President and whoever he/she appoints to the EAC will have access to the SECRET CODE!

By strengthening the EAC and making it permanent, they will thus be RE-ENFORCING the conversion to NON-TRANSPARENT electronic voting machines and central tabulators, run on TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations. The heads of these corporations should be IN JAIL, not made richer! They have stolen one presidential election, and numerous Congressional elections, and now there is evidence they prevented a landslide Democratic vote 12 days ago.

This system CANNOT BE FIXED. This system--engineered by the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney--MUST BE THROWN OUT.

No more SECRET CODE!

So, what are we going to do when it's rammed down our throats by Senator Diane "You too can learn to love the Corporate Rulers" Feinstein.

I think we will have a very limited window of opportunity to defy this Corporate coup at the local level. And here's how we do it: This last election there was a huge increase in the Absentee Ballot vote, clearly indicating large-scale voter distrust of the machines, and the voters' attempt to get around the rigged electronics. 50% of the California vote was by Absentee Ballot--an enormous increase--and it was big all over. We need to organize this constituency to pressure local/state election officials to, a) HAND-COUNT the Absentee Ballot votes, and b) POST the results BEFORE any electronics are used. We will thus create a paper ballot system BY DEFAULT. As news of transparent vote counting spreads from the 30 states where Absentee Ballot voting is now permitted, other states' voters will demand Absentee Ballots, hand counting, and immediate posting. And the thing will snowball. Also, soon the optiscan voters will also demand that THEIR ballots be hand-counted and the results posted immediately.

This backdoor strategy to transparent vote counting has the advantage of circumventing all the corruption in the electronic voting contracts that has made election reform so difficult. The election officials who have purchased this crappy machinery can keep their machines, for the time being, but with a 100% handcount and immediate posting of the results, the election fraud capability in the electronic programming is disabled.

The election reform movement has NO STRATEGY. It has been awesome at informing the public, but it has not proposed a practical, on the ground plan to achieve the goal of transparent vote counting. THIS is a strategy! And we don't have much time.

The Corporate Rulers are about to solidify their control over all election results. And it should come as no surprise to anyone who has been following this issue that the final death blow to our democracy is going to inflicted by the Corporate Democrats.

Read the rest of Landshark's analysis of HR 550--the bill that is going to sanctify election theft and make it a permanent condition of our election system. It does this with a death by small cuts. An inadequate audit (2%) becomes the standard. What to audit is chosen by the same riggable electronics that can choose presidents and senators in defiance of the will of the people. "Trade secret" code is not banned--it is escrowed. A "paper trail" is required but what good is that in a SECRET vote counting system without a decent audit--and with recounts being so expensive, difficult and rare? And, worst of all, it confirms ELECTRONIC VOTING WITH TRADE SECRET CODE, and corporate control of vote counting, as the standard for our elections.

HR 550 will improve some very bad situations--states with no paper trail at all, states with no audit at all. But do we use the worst cases to determine what the best should be?

With regard to our right to vote, there is only one best--and that is TOTAL TRANSPARENCY.

HR 550 is an unacceptable compromise of our right to vote! And in Diane Feinstein's hands, it could be made even worse than it already is.

I think we MUST have a local/state strategy, to take advantage of the huge Absentee Ballot movement among voters, while state and local jurisdictions still have the choice of transparent vote counting.

There is nothing we can do about HR 550. It's a done deal. And THAT, my friends, tells you something about just how transparent these midterm elections were. The views of 50% of the voters in California about these riggable machines, and of millions of other voters across the country, don't count. We're going to get electronic voting shoved down our throats because our voices still don't count in Washington DC.

So--as some of us knew all along--if we want transparent vote counting, we, the people, will have to see to it ourselves.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:25 AM
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6. Kicketh
for this
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:07 AM
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9. Dear Peace Patriot: we need more of your help!
I've tried to follow this stuff, yet I never realized 'til now how deeply flawed 550 is--I've actually been pushing it, bec. so many good folks were recommending it!

I hope you're going to put this info into an independent post, and please push it, and please tell us your thoughts about what we should do now. IS there any bill out there that actually does what we need it to do? If not, what do we have to do to get one written and sponsored--fast?
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:41 PM
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3. kick..nt
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:47 PM
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4. Don't settle for a flawed bill: Support HR 6200, Hand-Counted Paper Ballots for 2008
Presidential election.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:28 AM
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15. Here's a question about HCPB from a poll worker:
(poll WORKER, not poll watcher):

How long would it take to count 1000 ballots with 5 races and 2 ballot questions (a typical midterm election in my precinct), assuming about 50 absentee ballots are included in the 1000, and that about 10 ballots have write-ins for one or more races?

How many poll workers would be required to assist in this counting?

Would all of those workers be required to stay at the poll all day long since setup (6:30 am at the latest), without leaving? Or would counters be brought in after closing?

When a ballot is counted, does each worker count it individually, or does one person read off the tally and then the ballot is passed around for inspection? (we handle absentees by the latter method).

I'm wondering all this because of my experience at doing tallies as a poll worker.

I just can't see how HCPB would work. Is there a video somewhere that shows the proposed method for how the count would be conducted?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:12 PM
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19. HR6200 only affects presidential elections. It has no effect on any other election. (nt)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:16 AM
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5. Thanks -- I'm calling my Rep tomorrow!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:34 AM
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7. I'd recommend this a dozen times but the system won't let me!
Must have paper ballots. Must have paper ballots.
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:51 AM
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8. Gee, you'd think they'd know the difference between a House Resolution
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 12:56 AM by Bill Bored
and a House of Representatives BILL, wouldn't ya?

Here's House Resolution 550 if anyone's interested:

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. RES. 550

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives regarding the importance of maintaining the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum as the preeminent multilateral institution in the Asia-Pacific region.

Whereas the Asia-Pacific region accounts for 40 percent of the world's population, more than half of world trade, and 60 percent of global gross domestic product;

Whereas the growth of the Asia-Pacific region has created millions of new jobs in the United States;

Whereas United States businesses in the Asia-Pacifc region face obstacles to doing business in the region, in part due to a rise in discriminatory regulations and standards;

Whereas the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) was established as a forum for the United States to address business concerns in the region;

Whereas success in APEC contributes directly to keeping the United States at the forefront of the global marketplace by strongly supporting current World Trade Organization (WTO) negotiations, developing model measures for high quality free trade agreements, sensible regulations and standards, and streamlining the movement of goods across borders by its members; and

Whereas the upcoming APEC Leaders' Meeting in Busan, Korea is an important opportunity to demonstrate to the world the commitment of the United States to improving prosperity and security in the Asia-Pacific region: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that--

(1) the continuing success of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) is in the national interest of the United States because APEC is the only multilateral institution in the Asia-Pacific region that includes the United States; and

(2) APEC should remain at the center of United States diplomacy in the Asia-Pacific region.

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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:08 AM
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Do you think, MM, anyone besides "Bill Bored" was confused by this typo?
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:27 PM
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18. Well it took me a half hour to figure that "MM" was supposed to be "BB!"
But given the various misinterpretations of HAVA, I would hope you'd agree that clarity is essential in such matters.

You can't expect everyone in the movement to be an independent thinker like you Lank Shark! Suppose they read the article and start sending letters to their reps demanding that they stop "House Resolution 550?" They wouldn't get rid of many e-voting systems that way now, would they?

As to who would be confused, I think any Congress critter who got such a letter might be inclined to do some head scratching. They'd probably have to come up with a brand new form letter to send out in response too! Something like:

"Dear Constituent:

Please rest assured that I oppose the privatization of elections in Asia." ;)
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:08 AM
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10. Thankyou. Pls keep pushing this. I've k & r'd. nt
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:20 AM
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11. R'ed earlier.
:kick:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 07:37 AM
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12. The Holt bill needs to be changed to paper *ballots*. (nt)
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:31 AM
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13. but that would be like a 100% audit on first count instead of 2% much later on...
we can't have that, can we? :sarcasm:

Who in Congress will DARE to deny the public the right to supervise its own elections, in violation of the 92% of the American public who support that right according to a August 2006 Zogby poll?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:54 AM
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14. Who?
Only those people who would rather that we be slaves, that's who.

And unfortunately, there are quite a few in congress who want us to be their slaves. Sorry to say this, but anyone who thinks 550 is proper has their head up where the sun don't shine.

HR 6200 is where we want to be, and that's free of evoting technology.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:27 AM
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16. What are the plans for pushing 6200? I agree that it is the best, but
to make it happen we need a major, coordinated push.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:49 AM
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17. HR 6200 - Andy's Bill!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:20 PM
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20. Land Shark - The audit is to be completed the night of the
election or the next day... Yes?

I want to see big amendments to HR550 -- optical scan paper ballots so that we are in no way dependent upon machines for casting or counting votes -- but can use them, if an immediate more-than-adequate audit occurs ASAP.

HR550 + required paper ballots + audits with teeth + laws to imprison election fraudsters = New, improved elections.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:06 PM
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21. Kick n/t
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