If Rangel wants this draft the age should be 45-80

[noahmijo]

That's the age group that is profiting from this war. Leave us kids alone.

[Warpy]

1. It'll draft old men with the same probability it will draft

the young sons of RICH men.

Aint gonna happen, nohow, noway.

Plus, his "army for peace" is going to turn into cannon fodder just as soon as some corporation wants some hired muscle in some hellhole where people are starting to object to being ripped off of their resources and treated like shit.

[babylonsister]

2. If we're not losing now, we surely will be if that happens!

And I'm in that age group and not profiteering one iota from this war.
That age group would include *, Cheney, Rangel, and lots of people.
Now you're thinking about going to war? That's the point Rangel is making.
Think about what we're doing/destroying! That could be you.

[Horse with no Name]

3. The point is

NOT to have a draft.
But many of our military are used up. Emotionally and physically.
How can we continue to justify sending them over there repeatedly to fight this war?
How is that fair?
The war needs to stop. It needs to stop right fucking now or get some new soldiers to send over there. These men and women have been rode hard and put up wet too many nights in a row. It is someone else's turn.
If American people aren't strong enough to stand up and say "Stop this war NOW" when it's someone else's kid...maybe they will be strong enough when it's their kid.

[951-Riverside]

4. Send his fat "you don't condemn my president" ass to Iraq. n/t

[fujiyama]

11. Ah I forgot about that statement

I used to like Rangel, but he's striking me as somewhat senile at this point.

Maybe it's time to retire.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Stop Voting For Idiots

If I recall correctly, you young whippersnappers were more likely to vote for evil people than were the older folks.

"We get the government we deserve - good and hard" - Will Rogers

[rockymountaindem]

6. Wrong!

The only age group to vote in favor of Kerry was the under 30 demographic. Thanks for playing.

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Then I Stand Corrected

OK - how about we send SUV owners to Iraq?

[rockymountaindem]

8. Sorry I snapped

Our rather liberal bent is one of the things that makes me proud to be a millenial. As far as SUV owners, that's tempting...

[CarbonDate]

9. Study on that somewhere?

I find that hard to believe.

I've favored the draft since this whole thing started. If a war is worth fighting, it's worth being fought by everybody. Shared sacrifice and all that. If it's not worth sending everybody, then it's not worth sending anybody.

No student deferments or marriage deferments, either. Conscientious objectors and medical disqualifications, that's it.

(Note: I actually favor ending the war as soon as possible. But if the people aren't willing to stand up and demand that, then they need to be prepared to share in the cost of war, both human and economic.)

[hsher]

10. LOL

Ladies and gentlemen, yet another sensible idea far too sensible to be allowed ever to occur.

[silverojo]

12. Calm down!

He's been introducing this bill since time immemorial, and it's never been passed. Just let it die for the millionth time, and stop giving this story legs by talking about it. :)

[noahmijo]

26. I know

I just wanted to see the reaction of those "older folk" who were more than willing to throw people in MY age group under guillotine like that.

I don't advocate drafting anybody of any age group with the exception of members of PNAC. I think every member of PNAC should be forced away from their families and into military fatigues and sent to the front line.

[EdwardM]

13. Charles Rangle needs to shut the hell up.

As a 20 year old male, this issue is quite personal to me. How about before he go and try to draft kids like me, how about he go and sign up for the military. How dare this man try to force me to go to that shithole in Iraq.

[CarbonDate]

14. He's a Korean War veteran.

Okay? You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

[EdwardM]

15. Did I say he didn't serve?

What are you talking about me making up my own facts? I say he should go serve in the Iraq war right now if he wants to start another draft. I don't care if he served in the Korean War or not. I am not going to Iraq no matter what the hell Charles Rangel thinks or what wars he faught in.

[Sapphocrat]

16. You want to alienate this 45-year-old, noah?

I'm on YOUR side, "kid."

Not that I should give a fuck, since they wouldn't take an out lesbian even if I wanted to enlist.

Just take better mind of who you're throwing to the lions, will you?

[noahmijo]

24. Take it easy I wasn't serious

I just wanted to see the reaction of those "older folk" who were more than willing to throw people in MY age group under guillotine like that.

I don't advocate drafting anybody of any age group with the exception of members of PNAC. I think every member of PNAC should be forced away from their families and into military fatigues and sent to the front line.

[stanwyck]

17. Calm down, what Rangel really wants

is to force people to vote on the draft. It won't pass. He wants it on the table so it has to be discussed. He wants the emphasis on the troops, who serves and who doesn't. And he wants the vote to resonate with the American people.
My son enlisted. He's a Marine with two tours in Iraq - one more coming up in January. I'm glad that we have an all volunteer military. And I hope it stays that way.
What Rangel wants to stress is that war should ALWAYS be, as Eisenhower stated, the last resort. The absolute last resort when all other options had been exhausted. Clearly, that is not what this administration followed. They rushed into war, lying to the American public about why.
War is too easy with the all volunteer military. They're there....they enlisted...why not use them for personal vendettas or to solidify American business interests? These are the issues Rangel wants discussed. And why he brings up the draft.
See. It's working.

[Sapphocrat]

19. I wish everybody got that, stanwyck...

...instead of running around like a bunch of panicky Chicken Littles.

Thanks for elucidating the real point. It's probably lost on most, but I heard you.

[Hubert Flottz]

20. "War is too easy with the all volunteer military"

War is too easy for planners who never served!

[Hubert Flottz]

18. They already got me once...it's your turn next!

You'll love it!

[donheld]

21. This 47 year old hasn't profitted at all

Leave me out.

[noahmijo]

23. Take it easy I wasn't serious

I just wanted to see the reaction of those "older folk" who were more than willing to throw people in MY age group under guillotine like that.

I don't advocate drafting anybody of any age group with the exception of members of PNAC. I think every member of PNAC should be forced away from their families and into military fatigues and sent to the front line.

[maine_raptor]

22. No the daft should be simple

Only the sons, daughters, nieces, nephews, and other close relatives of those in Congress and the executive branches should be eligible. They should be brought into the service at the same time as the person's swearing in and those so drafted should be the first ones sent into combat.

[noahmijo]

25. Yep

I just wanted to see the reaction of those "older folk" who were more than willing to throw people in MY age group under guillotine like that.

I don't advocate drafting anybody of any age group with the exception of members of PNAC. I think every member of PNAC should be forced away from their families and into military fatigues and sent to the front line.

[maine_raptor]

27. Why limit it to PNAC?

PNAC is only a recent creation. If you automatically draft the relatives of the legislative and executive branches of government it will put a pause into any future PNAC's.

[noahmijo]

28. extend it to College Republicans who support the war while you're at it

;)

[maine_raptor]

30. Keep it simple:

Like I said..........The IMMEDIATE relatives of ALL Executive and Legislative (House and Senate) members.

Those are the folks We The People entrusted with the power of deciding war or peace for this Nation; They are the ones that need to have their progeny first on the firing line.

If Rangel's idea is to make the leaders think a little bit more before taking us into a war, this would make sure that they are doing exactly that.

[carlydenise]

29. I wonder if this is going to include the illegals that are living here.....

Carly