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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:08 AM
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Fresh Leibowitz up: Colbert fans, Stephen's in this one!
Cartoon Jon Stewart addresses FOX News's Daily Show rip-off during a check-in with Stephen...



Yet more Cartoon Jon ruckus can be found at:

http://www.yourmorningleibowitz.blogspot.com
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:05 AM
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1. Is Faux News really going to try to do a parody?
Jon and Stephen rip both sides. They've been ripping the Repubs more because they've been in charge, but they do rip both sides pretty well.
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:58 AM
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2. Yes - they're doing it
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:12 AM
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4. How will we tell when the fake news show starts? Or stops?
I can see it now...

"Honey, is this fake news show SUPPOSE to last three hours?"

"No, just a half hour."

"Really? <pause> So, which half-hour was the fake one?"

Thanks for the link!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:14 AM
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5. translation
"It's not going to hit you over the head with partisan politics," Surnow said. "It'll hit anything that deserves to be hit."


translation: It'll hit anything that deserves to be hit. we decide what deserves to be hit
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:08 AM
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6. Yeah
I can barely *wait* to see *this* stuff. :sarcasm:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:25 AM
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7. me too - I'm on the edge of my seat
so I can quickly get into the bathroom and :puke:
:evilgrin:
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:06 PM
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8. LOL
Wait! Scoot over. I've got to hurl from it too! Everyone, all together now - in eager anticipation of FOX News's attempt to rip off The Daily Show, let's take a deep breath, grip the bowl, bend over now, and

all together? PRE-HURL

:puke: :puke: :puke:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:50 PM
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23. .
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:22 AM
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26. FLDem, they're insane - it will never fly
Old Dennis is gonna belly-flop on this one, too.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:12 AM
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3. k&r
:thumbsup:
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:56 PM
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9. Why is Jon Stewart so hard to draw?
Colbert is easy.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:04 PM
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10. Because Stewart is much more bland and non-descript looking...
..the only thing that is really distinctive is his hair. Colbert has the glasses, the eyebrow, the crooked ear, etc.
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:08 PM
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11. Dang, so it's true, cartoonists glom onto distinctives
I thought *I* (insert pretentious superhero music) could circumvent that and become the exception! Looks like I'm like all the rest, LOL...

Like for instance Bush is hard to draw. Clinton was tough too. Reagan was easy. Carter was easy. I mean, those teeth...

I hope John Edwards doesn't become President for the simple reason he'll be impossible to draw. Where do I go with that as a cartoonist? Long, girlish lashes, eyes closed and a big grin? I don't want to draw "a cute president" all the time. GIVE ME JOHN KERRY. :evilgrin:
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 02:28 PM
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12. Edwards is way too good looking to be easy to caricature...
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 02:29 PM by Crankie Avalon
...for Bush, I'd say try exaggerating the beadiness of his eyes (just use black dots rather than actually drawing irises and whites), the size of his ears, and the thinness of his nose/but wideness of the nostrils. And thin, lizard lips! Maybe get that bad posture of his by putting his shoulders up around his ears, too.

You seem to draw prety well, though--you do a good job of drawing Stewart's body language (the hand on the face and the bemused expression, the hands covering the face, etc.).
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:31 PM
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13. Yeah - I do dot eyes for Bush
It's the only direction you can do. That hawk nose has been easy, also. The smirk just begs for it, too. I'm amazed how few cartoonists have gone for the smirk. I mean it's RIGHT THERE!

(Insert Jon Stewart-style Bush laugh: "Heh. Heh-heh.")

Thanks for the complo on my drawings! I have tried to get Jon's body language down to a science - it's a lot easier to draw that than his features, because he's kind of rubber-faced and either mugs, which makes his face like a chameleon, hard to pin down with features that are "just his", or he's got that straight-man anchor expression, which is hard as hell to nail because - just like you said - it's so bland. The bemused expression I'm having fun with. My sister, who watches TDS religiously too, said I nailed him on the hands covering the face. I also did a nipple rub that I like:



The first two panels were weak and "OK" as far as being accurate depictions of him, although I have seen him get the expression in the second panel (his "Mmmmm" expression). But the third, with that smug sidelong look leaning back, and rubbing his nipples, I humbly think I may have hit him directly on the head 100% in that one. I also tried to capture the thing Jon does where... well, there's no describing it except "love". Or clicking here:



I used some Chuck Jones tricks in the second and third panel. (I worship Chuck Jones!) Anyway, I'm ranting and hijacking my own thread. Thank you SO MUCH. I'm glad you like my drawings.

-Heather
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 05:55 PM
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18. you did a much better job than the Daily Show's "Midterms" cartoon
The one based on "Schoolhouse Rock", which they showed a few weeks back. I couldn't even recognize the animated version of Stewart in it -- but your version is much more like him. (You've got his gestures and hair, for sure!)

It's funny to compare the various cartoonists' renditions of Bush. There was an interesting article on the "evolution" of particular presidents' caricatures, in the New Yorker towards the end of Clinton's term. They noted that, as you say, Clinton was hard to pin down, but gradually there seemed to be a consensus on his bulbous nose and generous amount of white hair.

In Bush's case, the beady eyes, pointy nose, and protruding ears tend to be the most recognizable things (Tom Toles and a few others make the ears almost batlike). Some others also draw in a pouty drooping upper lip, and the uneven eyebrows. A self-satisfied smirk, and belligerent squint are also common (depending on the artist's perception of him). It's almost been like "Dorian Grey", how Bush's appearance as drawn by many artists has gone from dim/affable to macho/tough, to cruel and petulant -- as we've gotten to know him.
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 08:53 PM
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19. Thank you! (But Jon's still tough to draw...)
Yes, I saw that Schoolhouse Rock takeoff and felt kind of bummed - because I've directed and produced cel animation, as well as done character design for it (if someone suggests a good place to upload it to that will WORK - as YouTube didn't - grr - I can share it with you guys and see what you think; it was for a kids' show I produced). No diss meant to the guy who animated that cartoon takeoff, but... not only could I have done, well... a better job... I also kind of know Bob Dorough, who did the songs for the original SR. Bob loves the same things we do, is a Dem, and would have knocked some new songs out FOR CLOSE TO FREE if not free. :(

I would have made it look much closer to Jon, and the other character designs would have stuck closer to Tom Yohe's and George Newall's. Those were the guys who created all those characters we love from SR. So... oh well. You're right on all counts, Lisa. Thanks for noticing.

Bush is a tough cookie to get right. I have only a few drawings of him left because I kind of threw most of them away or left them back east when I moved. My parents own them now. I like getting his squint and smirk especially. It's a joy to nail it! Today, I tried drawing something *particularly* challenging: a picture of Jon Stewart "doing George Bush". The "heh. Heh heh." thing Jon does. I think I did get it!

What I dislike about Bush caricatures is, I've noticed a lot of them seem sympathetic and make him look like "some poor sad idiot caught in the crossfire, who doesn't know what he's doing". Bull malarkey. Yeah he does. I want to see more malevolence. After all, remember his expression in real life during the speech where he cracked jokes about missing WMD? :mad:

If I had the spare cash, I'd produce some animated Daily Show. I'd love to do that as a present for Stewart and Colbert. However, I don't animate it myself. I just design, storyboard, direct and produce it (AKA pay for it). I have animators in LA who handle the actual penciling and in-betweening. It costs about $20,000/minute. (It ain't flash. It's real 2D cel.) If I had about $70,000, I'd produce a 3-4 minute Daily Show takeoff as animation. That would be a hoot. :)

PS, I did some more drawings of Jon today as practice. I'm beginning in the second month of the Leibowitzes now to notice more of a pattern to his looks and body language. You should start seeing some of them starting tonight on the strip.

Thanks all!
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:38 PM
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22. I love Stewart's impression of "Dubya"!
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 09:43 PM by Lisa
Looking forward to seeing your rendition of him doing it. I think Jon was one of the few people to get Bush's mannerisms down, although he's always denied being a good impressionist. Will Ferrell, on SNL, also managed to catch the mean/flippant tone that Bush sometimes adopts -- the "malevolence" which you noted, and which Bush himself seems completely oblivious to. Totally agree about what his face looks like when he's making a joke at someone's expense, or talking about violence (like when he's going on about executions or torture). He becomes more animated and enthusiastic -- not the "poor sad idiot" in the caricatures you mention. When he's on his best behavior, and has had time to rehearse, he can act all polite and prissy (playing the "statesman", like when he made a big scene recently about how wonderful it was for democracy, that people were protesting against him). But the stuff he blurts out when he's vengeful or impulsive is much more telling. (You might find that "Bush on the Couch" book interesting, if you want more psychological background for the character you're drawing. It was useful for a play I'm working on with a friend ... modelled on an old-fashioned British pantomime, where Bush is the villain, but in complete denial about being so bad.)

I was watching that Bush impressionist (Steve Bridges) being interviewed by Larry King, and he dropped into his Bush character (without the extensive prosthetic makeup which he usually wears). I was startled to see that the voice didn't work nearly as well as Stewart's -- to my mind, anyway! (Bridges is a Bush supporter, and plays him as dumb-but-kindhearted, so it's possible that his sympathy for the actual guy has restricted his portrayal -- Stewart and Ferrell are "edgier", and I feel they are more realistic in terms of Bush's actual emotions and attitudes.)

There are times when I suspect that the nice, friendly "Dubya" character they developed over the past decade or so to appeal to the voters, is actually beyond the real Bush's acting abilities. He's like an amateur performer who suddenly has to appear as "King Lear" -- he isn't skilled or experienced enough (due to refusing everything but the heroic "good guy" parts) to be able to play a complex role like that. So he tries to take shortcuts in order to present a simplified version that will enable him to get his way (and get his handlers to stop yelling at him!). And if things don't go as planned, he's not secure enough to be able to improvise, but reverts to his normal self and starts getting nasty. Timothy Bottoms, who is serious about his acting and appeared in some award-winning films, does a much better rendition of "Dubya". Even Steve Bridges, originally a comedian, has managed to give some depth to the role -- when he appeared in that skit with Bush earlier this year, he came across as more pleasant and in-character than Bush himself.

Funny about Bush -- he's actually got quite a range of facial expressions, more so than most other presidents it seems, so no wonder it's difficult for an artist to settle on just one version of him. In the space of a few minutes, he can go from vacant to cunning to anxious to petulant -- the large collection of photos of him posted here at DU, or at www.dubyaspeak.com, is proof of that. There have been times when the actual guy's face changes so much that it's difficult to recognize him, so one doesn't want too much flexibility there if one is doing an editorial-type cartoon (should be instantly familiar as Bush). I guess some cartoonists just go for a general idea of "what people think Bush looks like" and allow some room for various situations. I imagine this problem also vexes makeup artists or anyone trying to sculpt a puppet of Bush, because ideally one would want to allow enough facial mobility to portray some of those priceless expressions.

A friend of mine, an ex-military guy (and rabid Dem) was part of the security detail when Bush's dad visited Canada as vice-president, back in the early 1980s. My friend Bill said that the elder Bush had a face like that too ... he was standing a few feet away looking right at him for something like 30 minutes, but a few seconds after he'd turned away, Bill (who is way more observant than I am) said that he literally could not remember what the guy looked like. "He'd be a perfect undercover cop," Bill said. "Or CIA agent," I added ... and Bill (remembering that Bush Sr. WAS with them for a while) kind of went pale.

If I had a bunch of money, I'd put that elaborate prosthetic Bush makeup on Jon Stewart or Tim Robbins, and let them go totally nuts with it. Either that, or resurrect the old British satirical puppet show, "Spitting Image". They slammed Margaret Thatcher, Reagan, and Bush Sr. -- imagine how much material they'd have now. (But your idea of an animated Daily Show would probably be much more fun for Stewart and Colbert!)
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:12 AM
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24. Holy snap, I remember "Spitting Image"
You just sent me back in a time machine, Lisa. I have not thought about that series in nearly two decades. Good memories. That was a tremendously funny, FUNNY show. Until The Daily Show, I was spoiled on early SNL and beginning to despair that we Americans could ever be as funny as the Brits. Now TDS is so merciless and funny the Brits on the show appear to be scrambling to keep up with the pace and edginess of it! Some people disagree when I say Daily Show, arguably, although in a different format, is the Monty Python's Flying Circus of American TV comedy. But I feel it is its direct heir. The only thing missing... is Terry Gilliam's animation ;)

(Being hired by Ben Karlin and Jon to produce that would be a dream.come.true.)

>>There are times when I suspect that the nice, friendly "Dubya" character they developed over the past decade or so to appeal to the voters, is actually beyond the real Bush's acting abilities. He's like an amateur performer who suddenly has to appear as "King Lear" -- he isn't skilled or experienced enough...

Good God yes. (I'm removing the hyphen from God because even though I'm Jewish and the religious of us Jews do that, I caught some flack here on DU for it... so off it goes) From the beginning I never trusted Bush to be the "village idiot" he's been purported to be. I think he's quite cunning and has always been. However - some acting is beyond his range. I think this role is past his reach, and I thought it from the beginning. Wow - I didn't know anyone else thought this about him. At last, I meet somebody else... so I'm not crazy...

>>If I had a bunch of money, I'd put that elaborate prosthetic Bush makeup on Jon Stewart or Tim Robbins, and let them go totally nuts with it.

If I did, I'd make a feature and direct Jon HARD. Bring true acting range out of him. He thinks he can't act. And his manager won't let him, except in stuuuuuuuupid stuff. Grr Jim Dixon. Grr. :mad:

You're also 100% right about Bush being a chameleon of many faces. He almost seems like a hundred different men. That scares me. Will Ferrell DEFINITELY hits the malevolence on the head. He "gets it" like we do. What do you want to bet he's a Dem? Every Bush impersonation he's ever done has been a subtle form of protest, long before Colbert did it at the WH dinner. (Not that I disparage Stephen Colbert. What he did back in April still blows my mind. I just wish he and Jon weren't so cautious, careful and corporate about what their true intentions were... as if we couldn't tell.)

The new Leibowitz is up! Let me know if I captured Jon doing Bush correctly! This strip could sting a little more, but it was all I could do on a fairly weak news night. :)

Heather

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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:43 PM
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14. Would you ever considering changing how you do your lettering?
The comic is funny, the concept is interesting, and the artwork is pretty good. However, I don't regularly read it because, quite frankly, I have trouble reading it. Your letters seem kind of blurry and it makes it hard on the eyes to read.
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:50 PM
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15. Yes - trying to figure that out, testing fonts
What fonts are easier to read for you? I need to know this so I can download them right away and fix it.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:26 PM
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16. I don't know what would be appropriate
The really lame but easy answer would be Comic Sans MS, which looks similar (at least to me) to what you're using, and comes with Windows. The downside is, well, it's a font that comes default with Windows.

I can provide some links to dialogue-heavy comics that I find easier to read, if that might help.
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:28 PM
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17. Yes - please PM me those :)
Thanks :thumbsup:
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:15 AM
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25. Kiah, check it now
I couldn't anti-alias the text, as it comes from a source I can't manipulate before rasterization, BUT: I sharpened, raised the contrast, and tweaked another few things. Let me know if it works. I am posting it... now.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:06 PM
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20. Thank you
:D

:loveya:
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:14 PM
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21. LOLOLOL
Stay tuned, there's more Colbert on the way tonight, hon :)
He looks GOOOOOOOOOD in em, too ;D
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