We need to show the world that we will not support idiot on our own side with this Rangle thing

[liberal N proud]

We need to make an example of his lunacy with this draft proposal and make sure the world sees this as an example of how a party takes care of the idiots within.
We can not simply go along with this ludicrous idea simply because a Democrat presented the plan.

[cali]

1. relax.

The draft isn't going to be reinstated and Rangel's fully aware of that. He's raising the issue as a rhetorical device.

I can't believe so many DUers don't understand this.

[BelgianMadCow]

3. I tend to think the same

and am often underwhelmed when DU, whose collective strategising power I hold as very considerable, cannot distinguish strategy and rhetorical devices when they seem them.

I guess it comes from being frustrated for such a long time that only the cold hard naked truth satisfies our hunger, and it is understandable. I listen to Malloy for the same reason :-)

Case in point : Impeachment is off the table by CONYERS of all people. Come on now.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

5. I know. How about a look at Rangel's actual words:

"Despite the evidence to the contrary, it is just too easy for the President to give assurances that our military would be available and ready to carry out regime change, wherever and whenever he and his advisors want to, whether in Iraq, Iran, Syria or North Korea," Congressman Rangel said.

"The President said in his State of the Union address that war was an option that remained on the table in dealing with these countries. In my view, the war option would not be on the table if the people being placed in harm's way were children of White House officials, members of Congress or CEOs in the boardrooms. As other people's children endure a grinding war, they have been given huge tax cuts, while our veterans have gotten cuts in health benefits," Congressman Rangel said.

MKJ

[EdwardM]

11. Never proprose bills that you do not support.

The political environment can change at the drop of the hat.

[Mike Daniels]

17. Given that Rangle never votes for it himself

People know that he's just blowing smoke.

[FormerDittoHead]

14. There won't be a draft because Bush will never sign such a bill into law! Wait for his soundbite...

You don't give the enemy ammo.

This is going to SUCK UP better part of a whole weeks' worth of news cycles to get us out of this one.

Time wasted.

[Tesla]

2. That word should NEVER come from a Democrat !

I am anti- Iraq war, but that doesn't make me un-American!
My father was a Marine who served abroad in WW2 and Korea!!
He was a Democrat who always was for the Veterans rights and thought Max Cleland was a hero!
He thought the Draft was the worst idea yet.
Forcing combat on people who aren't willing to do it is ridiculous enough, let alone for a War about OIL!!

Rangel should come out and explain himself, or be reprimanded!

[cali]

4. What don't you understand

about the words 'rhetorical device'? Sheesh.

[BlueManDude]

10. Except Rangel will not be in the minority come January

he needs to watch what he says - but it's already too late for that.

[atreides1]

18. "he needs to watch what he says"

Why?

I thought this kind of statement was reserved for the administration?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

8. Is this really new to you? Rangel wants the "war" option off the table which he's said since Jan 03.

As I posted above,

"Despite the evidence to the contrary, it is just too easy for the President to give assurances that our military would be available and ready to carry out regime change, wherever and whenever he and his advisors want to, whether in Iraq, Iran, Syria or North Korea," Congressman Rangel said.

"The President said in his State of the Union address that war was an option that remained on the table in dealing with these countries. In my view, the war option would not be on the table if the people being placed in harm's way were children of White House officials, members of Congress or CEOs in the boardrooms. As other people's children endure a grinding war, they have been given huge tax cuts, while our veterans have gotten cuts in health benefits," Congressman Rangel said.

Does that explain it for you? MKJ

[vi5]

6. Are people on here seriously that dense?

Honestly.

First off Rangel brought this up several times before when Dems were in the minority. And in fact when he brought it up prior to the Iraq war, there were many if not most on here who thought it was a great idea for "sticking it to the repugs" and what have you. There weren't half as many swooning, chest clutching "Oh me oh my what shall we do!?!?" delicate types as we seem to have on here now.

He's starting a debate. A debate that needs to be had befor they start ginning up the machine again with regard to Iran or N. Korea.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

9. Methinks that this a great wedge issue for lurkers.

MKJ

[cali]

12. Yep. Plenty of dense folks around these parts.

I'm shaking my head over the hysteria and idiocy being displayed here. Pathetic.

[FormerDittoHead]

16. Not the way to do it. Let's take a page from the "trial balloon" book...

OK, here's how to do it.

FIRST: YOU DON'T HAVE AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF CONGRESS PUT THIS ON THE TABLE!!!

You have a Democratic blogger, writer, commentator, EX-congressman, ex-general, etc. come up with this suggestion, start the "debate", and THEN get it going.

This is SIMPLY the wrong way to do it.

[slingsam]

7. You are either naive or ill-informed

I don't mean to be hard-assed about this....but I am surprised at the lack of information about Rangel's proposal for the draft.....I happen to think it brilliant...and of concern only to the cowardly neocon families and their draft eligible children....who have so far.....managed to elude the atrocity of this illegal war in Iraq.....

Rangel's only intention is to quickly find an end to this idiotic calamity that we find ourselves in....and so.....he believes that the introduction of the draft...will be a sure-fire way to get the privileged unscathed classes to quickly find an end to this tragedy......when their asses are on the line...

So..if I might suggest something......let's scare the bejezus out of these scumbags......Support Rangel's call.....

It'll be a sure fire way out of Iraq.......

[madrchsod]

13. ranglel is right

and i have stated so here at du ever since he brought this up. the only reason that bush has been able to wage this war for so long is because there is`t a draft. it was the drafting of the middle class kids that fueled the anti-war movement.millions of my generation went to that war because of the draft and if rangle can shock my generation into keeping their kids out of the draft then so be it.

[sinkingfeeling]

15. A draft is the surest way to stop 'pre-emptive' wars. I will not critize Rangle for proposing it.