I have never seen such a peeing of pants on DU since...last week.

[iconoclastic cat]

Seriously, everyone, get a hold of yourselves.

Last week, the line was, "Oh, God, no! Pelosi said 'Let the healing begin'! She showed weakness! The mainstream press is calling us fractured! We're DOOOOOOOMED!"

Uh, did any of you actually talk to your friends and coworkers? Nobody noticed or cared about Pelosi's gaffe.

Now: "Oh, God, no! Rangel proposed a draft! He's making it look like the Democrats want a draft! We're DOOOOOOOOMED!"

Listen, people, you all voted for Democrats who have some intestinal fortitude. You wanted them to buck and rattle some cages. You wanted them to stop playing it safe like the pundits and strategists have been preaching. Well, you got it.

Stop rending your garments and do something to push the narrative that will make this work: That Republicans are fucking hypocrites. Again.

[hippiechick]

1. Spot on!

:applause:

[ClassWarrior]

2. It's been a busy theatrical season for the DUDQ.

:rofl:

NGU.

[Patsy Stone]

46. I miss the meetings.

:hi:

[ClassWarrior]

50. I always liked the part where...

...you got up on the stage and mooned everyone.

:hi:

NGU.

[txindy]

63. A dramatic troupe I could do without.

Seriesly!1!!

:rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

69. Oh, but there hugh!!1!1!!!

:rofl:

LTNS, you!

NGU.

[txindy]

74. Well there acting like morans!11!

If I want to be surrounded by histrionic, finger-pointing absolutists, I'll sit between two TVs that are both tuned to FauxNews. :eyes:

:hi:

[merh]

65. why haven't you let me know about rehearsals?

:hi:

NGU :patriot:

[ClassWarrior]

70. But stars like you don't have to rehearse!

LOL

:hi: stranger!

NGU!

[merh]

78. But I brought my sign!

All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up :silly:

It's so good to see you! :hi: :hug:

NGU

[bleever]

79. Maybe they moved the bulletin board and didn't tell us?

I'm always up for the end of the world!

:hi:

[merh]

80. You know, that would be just like them

to move the bulletin board on us and then when we complain about missing rehearsals and the missing bulletin board, they just call us drama queens. It's just not fair, dayum it! :crazy:

:hi: :hug:

[bleever]

81. The DUDQ is doomed!

Doomed, I tell ya!

:hi: :hug: And have I had a chance since the elections to say :toast: ?

[merh]

93. They are trying to replace us, but they never will be able to

We ARE members of the original cast and always will be ORIGINALS! :)


And to my favorite believer, I raise my glass and say about the elections :toast: Hell yeah!! :hi:

:hug: :loveya:

[ClassWarrior]

82. And I feel fine.

Yo Bro! :hi:

Doomed, I tell ya...

NGU.

[bleever]

83. I feel fine, too.

:hi: Bro!

Visualizing investigations?

Happy new day. :toast:

[bryant69]

3. It is interesting

A lot of our conversation is inside the beltway - no matter where we live. The fact that we pay such close attention to each manouvering doesn't mean that most people do.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Skinner]

4. Well said.

Funny thread title, too.

[KennedyGuy]

5. AMEN..

Well said!

[Skidmore]

6. ROFL...My vote for the best thread title of the day.

Excellent point though.

[stellanoir]

35. a serious competitor for best thread title of the day

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2764032

But this one is great in a different sort of way and much warranted.

[bullimiami]

7. I dont like games. If you want a draft, propose a draft. If you want to stop a war.

then propose legislation to stop the war, or dont approve any more funding for it.

I dont like this at all.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

57. Well said bullimiami,

We see an elected democratic leader telling us he wants to bring on the draft, and we're not suppose to be upset.

I bet the all the dummies peeing in their pants whose upset about Charlie's little ploy, have kids draft age.

Charlie has said this before, but now he has the power to bring it on. I don't like these games either.

[ellacott]

8. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you

We have got to learn how to fight. We can't have anxiety attacks over every little issue and run around crying about it.

We've got to learn how to fight.

[speedoo]

9. Great post.

K&R

[marmar]

10. Agreed. It's been Drama Queens Underground of late....

Breathe. Relax. Have a glass of red wine.

[Nite Owl]

11. Absolutely right

This should be directed at McCain who happens to be the frontrunner for the GOP in '08! He wants to send more troops therefore he is pro draft. * wants war with Iran then he is pro draft. If you agree with the GOP then you want the draft, there is a cost to their endless wars and the cost is sending your son or daughter not just putting a yellow ribbon magnet on your SUV.

[porphyrian]

12. I'll kick that. - n/t

[Jon8503]

13. Right on. N/T.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

14. I'll jump on the agreed wagon

With all the whining and wee weeing taking place I thought I was in a nursery.

[jhain]

15. What you said. Bravo!! n/t

[Jon8503]

16. Read this article in E&P about the press since the election.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003409980

[Ms. Clio]

61. Frank Rich hits it out of the park

"The Washington story that will matter most going forward is the fate of the divided Republicans. Only if they heroically come together can the country be saved from a president who, for all his professed pipe dreams about democracy in the Middle East, refuses to surrender to democracy’s verdict at home."

[The Count]

17. I've been all happy till the draft nonsense came about...

As for their lies, here's a good read:

Frank Rich Hits Media's 'Fictional Story Line' Since the Elections

By E&P Staff
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/

[DainBramaged]

18. Laura Mcrightwing (Married to Dan Senior) om MSNBC is

keeping the drum beating about Pelosi without talking about Trent "hair helmet" Lott's 1 vote win in the Senate and completely forgetting his bigoted comment that got him out of the leadership in the first place.

Right wing media all the way.

[Atman]

19. Excellent, excellent, excellent

Did I mention that your post was excellent?

:thumbsup:

.

[The_Counsel]

20. Exactly.

This is the same as 2004. Mr. Rangel is only saying "all hands on deck."

Also remember that this is STILL a Republican Congress until January 2.

This thing will not pass, and everyone--including Rangel--knows it.

Relax.

Relate.

Release. :)

[slackmaster]

21. Recommended

With extreme prejudice.

:toast:

[catabryna]

22. K & R!

:applause: Couldn't have said it better myself!

[madinmaryland]

23. Rangel proposed the draft three years ago.

Why should it come as any surprise to anyone that he reintroduces this proposal?

[The Count]

25. I hated it then too. Now it's more than talk, so it's even more immoral.

Human lives for political posturing?

[Beelzebud]

38. Because 3 years ago he wasn't in the majority party.

[KharmaTrain]

24. There's Some Real Poor Poker Players Here

I genuinely love the idealism here on DU and while I may disagree with a person's stance, I both respect their passion and learn from it. I'd love the world to be "fair", but it isn't. I'd love right to trump spin, a lie can span the globe before the truth brushes its teeth.

The problem Democrats face is not what to do, but where to start. We have a huge mess to clean up here that has to be sorted through before we can really start achieving substantial, long lasting changes and prevent the Repugnicans and right wing from getting any real power for the foreseeable future. This opportunity is at hand, but it requires playing politics and smart politics to do it. It requires taking chances and calling bluffs...it is saying this that will rile people up or shock them into seeing what's been going on.

The balance here is for our new majorities to be effective and set the table for even greater gains in '08. The key way this is going to happen is to control the legislative agenda that shows positive accomplishments on the surface while the ongoing work of investigating and exposing this regime's crimes go on. We really have no clue how widespread the corruption is and not only does this need to come to light, it need to be done so in a manner that gets public attention and is tarred on the Repugnican party like a millstone.

Gut it up, folks, we're going to be fought at every step of the way. We're going to have to blast through the spin and a Repugnican party and regime that will do everything it can to cheat, lie, stonewall and throw strawmen in our way. The election made the Democratic Party THE mainstream party and if we can build on that image, we can create the stage for the focus of this country to change as well.

[The Count]

27. It's not poker. It's who we are, what we stand for.

Dreyfuss said something compelling on Maher's show: "We need to impeach, because if we don't we condone the crimes. Now we commit crimes as "poker". Count me out of this "game"

[KharmaTrain]

39. Being Further Out Of The Game Is Worse Than Not Playing

Investigating and calling ALL accountable, not just two people is condoning crimes? Forcing ALL to face a criminal, not political prosecution and trial is condoning crimes? That's what I want...not just whacking off the head, but digging out all the evil roots and preventing this kind of madness and greed from ever putting us in this "game" ever again. I want every bloodsucker who abeted in this war to pay some kind of price for it...to be held accountable for their crimes of commission or omission. Unfortunately, you're confusing the political with the legal. The political has and always will be a game...it's based on polls and contributions and "being liked", legal involves burden of proof, a jury of peers who can render punishment that is fitting of the crimes.

Many want quick vengence that will still achieve little and damage long-term objectives...of preventing the right wing from having any real power for years to come.

I applaud your idealism and wish that what is right and moral always takes precedence over playing politics...unfortunately we're still voices in the political wilderness and need to remember who the real enemies to our freedoms and children are. It's not just two political hacks, it's an entire party and it's adjunct think tanks and pundits.

[The Count]

62. All DU activists are becoming strategists now? An army of Carvilles?

So much soulless talk makes me sick. Time to go away until you rediscover your conscience.

[WilliamPitt]

105. Are we becoming strategists?

I fucking well hope so.

You can thank us later when we drag you kicking and screaming into what is best for all of us.

It's called governing.

[cali]

26. Excellent.

and quite funny too. Thanks.

[asjr]

28. All well and good, but DU is

the only place I can go to gripe and bitch about anything and get it out of my system.

[Zodiak]

29. The very last sentence of the OP is the most valuable one.

The political move has been made, so we have to work with it. It would all do us a tremendous service to make the narrative work for us. You know the drill...we will be working against every major media outlet in this country and an army or right-wing pundits and talk-show hosts.

The message is this:(as far as I believe) Rangel introduced this very unpopular bill, like he does every year, to spark a debate as to who should bear the burden of this war, and who should gain from it. The Republicans think they can take all the gains of this war and hide all of the burdens, who are paid by average Americans whether they realize it or not.

The part I object to about many of the posts on this thread is the bullying tactic of trying to get another to come around to your way of thinking by calling them "wussies" or "sissies" or "whiners" or whatever derogatory attribution one can make to describe genuine concern. Those that are concerned have valid points as to why.

Those that support this have valid points as to why.

The gutter-sniping only gets in the way of arriving at consensus between the two parties, who are ostensibly on the same side.

[cwydro]

30. Excellent

:kick:

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. I was opposed to Rangel's method before the Dems won, and I'm

opposed to it now. No hypocrisy here.

Good governance requires constant vigilance. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit this one out just because the Dems won.

[salin]

44. but do you really think the majority of dems

are going to vote for it?

Where is there any indication that this would get serious consideration - as if it is a supported effort. Most democrats on the Hill weren't with him the first time (in terms of actually supporting the effort), and there is no indication that has shifted.

Personally, I wanted the conversation the first time around. There should be a national dialogue before we jump into supporting a war - we should be talking about what we are willing to sacrifice - and if the war being pursued is worth that level of sacrifice. Instead it was a surreal conversation where for many pushing for the war those in service were abstractions. Sorta like GI Joe dolls that are known to be sitting on the shelf where they always sit (in the sense of knowing the owner confident that the possessions are there and ready to be 'played with' at the owner's discretion). There was never a dialogue about whether this was a war that we would go fight ourselves, send our children/sisters/brothers/parents/cousins/grandchildren etc.

My father dropped out of college to enlist during WWII. As many did. There was a national dialogue around what the war effort meant, and citizens who didn't fight were asked to make many sacrifices for the war effort. I would venture to guess that in the wake of 911 such a conversation (not nec a draft - but about the level of sacrifice regular americans would be ready to make to support such a military effort) would have been supportive of the Afghanistan war. I also am certain that the media coverage, the political discourse and the scrutiny of the trumped up 'intel' used by bushco in the lead up to the IWR would have been much more critical - esp since more people would be wondering... why are we moving human and military resources out of Afghanistan while we are still sacrificing for this war... to Iraq?

My point is that to me, the Rangel move is one to try to force a bit of a conversation around what does it mean to be in "war times" to we the public? What are our obligations? Pushing a much more somber and serious rather than jingoistic conversation that was pushed by bushco and their GOP toadies on the Hill. Why do I think it is just about a dialogue? Because I seriously have no reason to believe that many democrats on the Hill are serious about supporting Rangel beyond giving him time to speak to it.

[Kber]

53. Right - Ms Pelosi isn't even going to bring it to a vote

So we get to have the debate, get to call people on their hypocrisy, but, make no mistake, it won't even get a vote. No chance. Ms. Pelosi has already said it's not on the agenda.

On the other hand, if we do invade Iran, or North Korea, or dramatically increase troop levels in Iraq, we may have no choice. Rangel's proposal brings all that into sharp focus for everyone, not just activists at DU.

[The Backlash Cometh]

71. I don't mind dialogue, but I have a problem with someone recklessly

opening up dialogue without clearly explaining where he stands, and it sure doesn't look like Rangel has done that. Someone like Rove can see an opportunity here to interpret it any way they like.

Also, I do believe in speaking out vocally, as I am doing now. I'm not for a draft in any way and I'll fight tooth and nail for anyone who sees a silver lining in one. Liberals lost power in the last century when people stopped speaking up in numbers, so I'm doing my part to hold my end up.

My father also enlisted in WWII and served. That was a different war. If you recall, we came in late and we didn't have anything to do with it when it started. It was a different war. Talk all you want, but I want to see Bush brought to justice before one child in America gets drafted to fight his war.

[Beam Me Up]

32. If there is an false-flag attack against this country or our military

we'll see, then, how many DUers are peeing the pants.

[stop the bleeding]

33. WE'RE DOOMED

if we don't keep it real and in perspective :D

[Jennicut]

34. "2008 is already blown! Abandon ship! Mayday Mayday!"

Come on people! This is sooooo ridiculous! I just joined DU not too long ago when everyone was so happy about the Democrats winning the House and Senate. Now tons of us are up in arms over this whole draft thing. And the Hoyer vs. Murtha thing. I can understand the Carville thing as he is a jerk and almost everyone agreed on that. Even I posted that he was working for Hillary. But we are freaking out for NO reason. And if we are so afraid of losing 2008 what's the point? That is so pandering and so cynical. Our leaders need to be able to lead without getting attacked to death. I'm not saying we need to shut up and not debate but the fear-mongering and the blown it stuff is obnoxious. Enough already. Lets just relax. Dems are not even in power yet. This is like Tweety and others saying Dems have no plan on Irag. Um, last time I looked the Repubs still had control of Congress. Sheesh!

[SaveOurDemocracy]

36. As a relatively new member of DU...

I find the level of hysteria, sniping, and intolerance of dissenting points of view remarkably off-putting. I read where people claimed that it was due to anxiety approaching the election but, if anything, it appears to have gotten even more devisive now that we've had a successful outcome.

[bobbolink]

59. Welcome, SaveOurDemocracy!

:toast:

I agree with you, and find it very difficult to avoid the potholes here.

If this kind of verbal sneering is what we have to look forward to in the future, as the population ages more, I want out!!

[progressoid]

37. And, here I thought it was going to be a boring week.

[stepnw1f]

40. Did You Hear what Kerry Said...... Oh My

:rofl:

[Jed Dilligan]

41. If the Democrats escalate the war,

I am done with the party and probably with the country.

It's not a matter of electability for me... I feel betrayed.

[ChiciB1]

56. I Don't Think This Is About Escalating The War... I'm Sure Rangel

probably knows this is not going to pass. It's his form of a scare tactic if you will. Just a heads up to far too many wing-nuts who don't seem to really understand certain "realities" and what could happen.

My assumption here could be completely incorrect, but it's just how I look at it. Do I really want the "draft" again, I can't say I do because I have family members who may be affected. But to actually stick your neck out on something like this shows a lot of courage. And if we are going to take our country back, we need SPINE!!

[janx]

42. The media tell us to jump, and we do.

The part that bothers me most about this is that it almost seems as if people spend their days watching television and reacting by posting here.

:shrug:

[nebenaube]

49. that's because the economy tanked for us 6 yrs ago.... n/t

[AndyA]

43. We need to keep the focus on who got us into this mess in the first place.

The Republicans. They did it all:

- Iraq
- deficit
- outsourcing
- killing habeus corpus
- corruption
- outing undercover CIA agents
- lobbyists
- cronyism
- wasting taxpayer money
- lies lies lies
- stealing elections

I could go on and on, but we all know the score. It's important to remember to tell people WE DIDN'T CREATE IT, WE'RE JUST IN IT!

[ClassWarrior]

47. Bingo! The Rape-Publicans got us into this quagmire in the first place.

We're just looking for solutions.

NGU.

[undeterred]

45. I missed it entirely until I heard someone on the radio

talking about it this morning.

[Adelante]

48. Nice one

:D

[ChiciB1]

51. Good For You... We Need This In Your Face... I'm A Democrat

and you better get used to it! Thanks!! Time to RISE & SHINE! Rangel is doing exactly that... MAKE those people who are whooping up the war more accountable!

Hey DUDE... your kid just might have HIS number come up, how do you feel now?? I will admit that it is a BIT scary for many, but WTF, there has BEEN NO appeal for Americans as a whole to sacrifice on a National level.

As it stand now, it's only those who volunteered who are really paying the price, AND they aren't getting much "bang" for their buck. I here from time to time people calling in on C-Span talking about lack of Veteran's Health Care, and financial help. I would think this is a slap in the face for those who have family members serving and for those who have lost loved ones.

I'm sure this IS NOT something ANYONE wants to hear and Rangel will be getting a LOT OF FLACK about it, but I respect him for pushing the envelope.... so to speak! I thought I saw that he had gotten re-elected by 98% and that's almost unheard of!!

[omega minimo]

52. Also current is an outbreak of Anti "Political Correctness" hysteria

So if you want to "do something to push the narrative that will make this work" it's a good idea not to discourage posters who can contribute to push the narrative that will make this work.

Championing the crude over the constructive limits the voices here. "Cheapens the discussion for everyone."

Lowering the bar may make folks feel better if all they care about is venting, violently.....

[pat_k]

54. The antidote to "partisanship" is not "bipartisanship"; it 's Getting Real!

Instead of being champions and giving voice to the outrage at what Bush has done to our nation, Speaker-to-be Pelosi is the epitomy of an "anti-champion." with her "Impeachment is off the table" pledge. (And she and Reid are "sitting on" any member who appears to be on the verge of becoming a champion).

The "bipartisanship" meme is not "instestinal fortitude"

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2260/">Democratic Do's and Don't
In These Times
By Rep. Jan Schakowsky
July 2005

. . .do what your mother said—or at least what my mother said—stand up straight. What people like least about progressives and Democrats is that they think we’re squishy. They think Bush is tough, knows what he believes and is willing to fight for it. Americans like tough, even when they don’t entirely agree with the substance. Voters like tough; voters don’t like tentative.

. . .Repeat, repeat, repeat...Republican repetition of the same talking points may irritate you, but it represents the level of discipline that we need if we ever expect average Americans to hear what we stand for and be able to articulate it in one declarative sentence.

Here are a couple of the refrains I'll be repeating and repeating (and hope others will pick up):

Impeachment IS Our Positive Agenda!!

Get Real! "Bipartisanship" in Bush-world is a sham.

Our "leaders" have been broken records on "bipartisanship." We need to be "broken records" to counter them. If we are to stop the American neo-fascists, we must reject the sham of "bipartisanship" in Bush-world. To that end, a http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2749557&mesg_id=2759845">a rerun:

The antidote to so-called "partisanship" is NOT "bipartisanship" it is Reality. You rise above partisanship when you confront truth and reality head on and take the actions demanded by the facts.

The only way any elected official or candidate can prove commitment to our founding principles over party is to fight for those principles regardless of partisan concerns.

There is nothing partisan about declaring your intent to see that War Criminals are brought to justice. There is nothing partisan declaring your intent to rescue the Constitution.

Instead of recognizing this and actually rising above partisanship by fighting for core principles, the so-called Democratic strategists think the antidote can be found in cynically "going along to get along" and saying they seek bipartisanship, which people across the spectrum assume is insincere (as demonstrated the assertion that Pelosi is just mouthing what the right wants to hear to mollify them -- something I have heard repeatedly from folks on our side.)

With the ONE weapon that We the People gave them to defend our government from abuses of power "off the table," they are trapped in a world of image, doubletalk and euphemism because they are desperately trying to avoid having to say anything about the crimes that Bush, Cheney have committed against the Constitution.

There is nothing LESS inspiring then strategy-driven doublespeak.

It is impossible to speak in inspiring terms about who we are as a nation if they refuse to point to the fascists and say "That is the OPPOSITE of who we are. Bush and Cheney have broken the terms of our common contract -- the Constitution. The ONLY way to reassert our collective sovereignty is through Impeachment."

It seems to me the even the folks defending Pelosi's "off the table" pledge don't seem to be very thrilled with it. "Hey, come on everybody, let's 'wait and see'" is not exactly energizing. There is a sense of submitting to a necessary evil.

If the "tactical" excuses our leaders invoke when they are "squishy" and fail to fight for principle make us feel "icky" how can we expect them to inspire our fellow citizens?

[mandyky]

55. Rangel has been caling for a draft since

before the 04 elections, not so much because he wants a draft, but because he wants to ensure that rich folks get the chance to serve as well as unemployed poor and middle class folks' kids.

[bobbolink]

58. But, but, BUT.... there'll be SLaaaaAAAAAAaaaavery here!!

I mean, you've noticed all those slaaaaves in Switzerland, right?

Aaaannnnddd, I'm a WAR CRIMINAL because I suggested democracy requires responsibility...

Puddles, puddles...

Wet Clean Up On Aisle 9!

[lies and propaganda]

60. hell yeah bro!

beautifully put!

[mzmolly]

64. "rending your garments"

:rofl:

[SaveOurDemocracy]

66. self-delete

wrong thread

[LittleClarkie]

67. You forgot "Kerry dropped a pronoun! We'll loose the election!"

But that was two weeks ago.

[cboy4]

68. Well said. Rock the fricken boat!!!! n/t

[WritingIsMyReligion]

72. This is why I usually stay out of GD.

Too many Drama Queens.

:evilgrin:

:P

[Quantess]

73. I missed it. I don't know what you're talking about, and I don't care, LOL.

I missed Pelosi's "gaffe", whatever it was, and I missed the peeing of pants on DU.
Oh, well. :beer: Sounds like it was a blip on the screen. Guess I shouldn't have blinked.

[Norrin Radd]

75. The doings of concern trolls and disinfo merchants. n/t

[AntiFascist]

76. Sure, let's all just compromise...

Democrats can now become the war party.

[Warren Stupidity]

85. What makes you think they wern't already?

We will see how this all plays out, but the war party faction in the Democratic Party is large, and the chickenshit faction (will do anything to avoid taking blame) is even larger.

This is not a reference to Rangel, who I think sincerely opposes the war but has taken a dishonest and manipulative approach here, one that he finds clever but that has played in the media completely to our disadvantage. Rangel is just misguided.

January will be a very interesting month.

[AntiFascist]

86. I totally agree...

the Democratic Party is definitely NOT the anti-war party, and anyone who assumes as much is being mislead. Rangel's approach is strange if not interesting, I also see it testing America's youth: could they possibly be in support of a draft or don't care enough to do anything about it??!!!

[Minnesota_Lib]

77. Well said.

[LetsGoMurphys]

84. can't tweak with the newfound power

the new congress didnt even come in yet! Dont become a Sean Hannity talking point.

[JacksonWest]

87. This thread is insensitive to people with poor bowel control.

[Stinky The Clown]

88. Get thee off to the TOP of the Greatest Page!

We're watching the political sausage making and some people are nauseated by the varietal meats.

[gordianot]

89. Remember when the Pukes tried to discredit Murtha?

They sponsored a version of Murtha's strategy no one could support even Murtha. Murtha survived.

Well it is the pukes turn, I don't think they will survive. Rangel is getting ready to jam this down their throat. The chicken-hawks are in real danger!

[Mr_Spock]

90. Love it!

I was thinking the same thing last night - thanks for putting it in words that people here (apparently) can relate to :D

[madrchsod]

91. i agree with you i to could not believe what i was reading

the sky is falling!!...the sky is falling!!

[autorank]

92. No rending here "cat" - great post. It's all about the "teardown" of *

...which we have something to do with, particularly here at DU, but which is a much broader effort.

The public is, as you note so well, focused on the right stuff - the disaster that is Bush and the family drama plus the corprate civil war surrounding his failed efforts.

K&R - Democrats = Diversity = Free Speech But we'll come together to advance our policies or we'll doom oursleves. If we fail to meet our commitment to the people, then we're in trouble. A few internal slug fests are nothing that anybody needs to worry about.

[bleever]

98. My understanding is that

you're on vacation, so get the heck out of Dodge!!

We're not going to pull any pranks on you while you're gone, but how can we we you're still here??

Please go refresh your Gangetic, or Icelandic, or heart-eye perspective on things, so we can put Vaseline on your doorknobs. Is that so much to ask?

[autorank]

106. Vacation time starts Wednesday. One more little surprise before I go;)

:blush:

[wiley]

94. Like I said I said

[Pryderi]

95. Joe Btfsplk and Schleprock: DU icons.

[nicknameless]

96. And keep in mind, this is a DUer with an infant!

:hi:

[upi402]

97. draft shmaft, a former sitcom co-star said a bad thing!

jeez, the priorities here are as twisted as my double helix genetic dillybob.

there wont be a draft. remain clam.

[Freeusfromthechurch]

99. I love it

[kdpeters]

100. You have it backwards, my friend.

Karl Rove has the intestinal fortitude to play bullshit "gotcha" politics. It takes a helluva lot more courage to do what's right even to those who've done you wrong. Rangel made the gaffe, not Pelosi.

The next time someone outside this closed loop echo chamber tells you that Democrats are just as bad as Republicans, don't bother trying to argue the point. You don't get it.

[Lasher]

101. Well, that's a relief

I was afraid Rangel's legislation to reinstate the draft was going to be publicized. Silly me, I guess nobody noticed.

[Occulus]

102. .

:rofl:

:thumbsup:

[donheld]

103. Keep rending your garments, you'll soon be nekkid

:evilgrin:

[tomp]

104. i take exception to your metaphor

shall i now think of some clever way to insult you that gets by the moderators? i thought i was acting pretty damn grown up by opposing the childishness of the draft supporters and pretty courageous for opposing my own very popular dem congressman.

i know! i'll think of your post as you crapping in your pants.

and special thanks to skinner for smearing it on the wall in approval.