Rangel's Forcing Freepers To Service Too! Will They Still Want To Kill Ragheads

[KittyWampus]

if THEY are the ones getting sent into Iraq and then Iran and Syria and beyond?

This isn't just about putting rich kids into the position of taking responsibility for the political choices they make.

Freepers will also have to decide whether THEY are willing to put their own lives on the line by supporting Bush's foreign policies.

[Atman]

1. Doonesbury...

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[GreenPartyVoter]

5. LOL

[SaveOurDemocracy]

15. Dead on!!!!

:nuke:

[Dems Will Win]

26. TOP 5 DRAFT MYTHS DEBUNKED!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2767636

[Donnachaidh]

2. they talk alot of sh*t online, but get REAL quiet when a draft is mentioned.

you can almost hear the crickets. :sarcasm:

[EdwardM]

3. Yeah, but then I would be forced into Iraq also.

I guess I am just collateral damage.

[Beelzebud]

4. Hey as long as Rangel gets to prove his point, why would you mind dieing for a lie?

/me pukes...

[Jon8503]

6. Exactly, agree --- the draft will not happen and Rangel knows that

but look at all the people who get excited thinking the draft might occur. Rangel has put the unfairness of military service out there for debate.

You all know during Vietnam the demonstrations occurred because the draft was in effect.

What is wrong with all of us doing some service for the country?

The Freepers who are big supporters of the war won't have to join if there is a draft, just wait for their number to come up.

[AndyTiedye]

10. Four More Wars! That's What's Wrong With the Draft!

A draft would give them unlimited cannon fodder for more wars.

[Hav]

12. .

Agreed, I think the past has shown that if there is a vote, it won't even be close in support of a draft.

But something like a service might have its advantages. Make them choose between military or social service but still you have to volunteer to participate in a war.
That's how it's done in my country. There is a debate concerning its fairness, yet the health sector relies on the many social workers and couldn't do without those who do some service for maybe 10 to 12 months.
I didn't like it but I accepted it for the free education I got or the stable social environment I could enjoy during my childhood. And to be honest, it was a valuable experience.

[cyclezealot]

7. I think bringing the war home to the freepers

is what will get the war over real quick. Can't have victory on the cheap, yo' freepers. Give you a taste of a minimum wage job. Think about it. It will put you in a lower tax bracket.

[CJCRANE]

14. I have a friend

who was telling me all about how the "new crusades" were coming.

I asked him "so who's gonna volunteer for all these new wars, are you?" That shut him up real quick.

[AndyTiedye]

8. Rangel Is Playing With Fire. If He Does Not Stop We're Gonna Get Buned!

Suppose the Repiglicans give Rangel what he wants? What then?
We have a draft, with Democratic fingerprints all over it.
Everyone gets really angry.. AT THE DEMOCRATS,
and Repiglicans sweep the '08 elections,
and they would have the draft so they could start as many wars as they want.

[Jon8503]

11. Like has been said, the thought of getting drafted & everyone (rich, whoever) are elgible gets

people excited and thinking about it doesnt it.

[OneBlueSky]

20. you are 100% correct . . . this is NOT the issue we should be leading with . . .

the country elected Democrats to END the war, not to give BushCo even more resources to continue it -- and to start new ones . . . this truly has great potential for burning us BIG time . . .

[KingFlorez]

22. It won't pass

It's not meant to pass, it's not a serious effort.

[AndyTiedye]

25. If The Repiglicans Push It, It Could Pass. It Would Still be a Democratic Proposal

That would go very badly for us in the '08 elections:

[KingFlorez]

27. That's not even a realistic scenario

They won't push it, because it would make them responsible as well, so it wouldn't do them any good.

[AndyTiedye]

28. Don't Count on that. The Media Would Make Sure Everyone Knew It Was a "Democrat" Proposal

[TahitiNut]

9. I'm stunned by the DU idiocy that claims Rangel is exposing Dems to Reichbot attacks.

How drain-bamaged can someone (NOT you!) get to twist such a thought from their skull?

It's the Reichbots who spout the continuing nonsense that "the left is soft on Defense."
OK. Put up or shut up.

Over the years, DUers have repeatedly pointed out the chickenhawk constituency on the right.
Rangel is telling the right to put up or shut up.

Charlie's been there and done that.
A "ploy"? Nope.
It's an honest and direct approach.
Put up or shut up.


There's nothing inconsistent between being a liberal and supporting national service.
"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country!"
People are 'your country.' A nation is people - including our neighbor's son, daughter, sister, brother, husband, or wife serving in the military and serving the will of this nation.

[Jon8503]

13. Absolutely. Amazes me the # of people who always want someone

else to do the dirty work. The entire purpose of the draft is to make it as even as possible for everyone to do their duty. You have seen the ribbons, heard the "leave it or love it" comments but when it comes to the possibility you may have to serve (no way).

When the draft is in place, it will not be as easy to have one of these uncalled for wars.

You see the thing about all of the other wars which were world wars, no comparison.

The Vietnam war was the first uncalled for war and because of the draft, you got the mass demonstrations and the war finally stopped.

[AndyTiedye]

17. We Would Rather NOBODY be Doing the Work of INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES

We don't need a draft. We need to bring the troops home.

[TahitiNut]

18. There have ALWAYS been huge numbers of people ....

... who 'opposed' whatever war was current ... because it was 'wrong.' It's a very convenient opinion - one that nearly seduced me back when I was drafted. At the bottom, however, it's irrelevant. While it's VERY relevant to being a citizen and claiming our sovereignty over such decisions, it's NOT relevant to sharing the burden of national service. There is no moral high ground whatsoever in letting the least enfranchised bear that burden inequitably. Social or economic coercion is NOT 'voluntary.'

[RethugAssKicker]

23. First uncalled or WAR???.....Hardly.... The reason

there were so many protests, is because of the changing attitudes, and the general liberalization of the country, such as the civil rights movement, and the womens movement.. The sixties civilized this country!.. People became aware of the unjust things America was doing at home and abroad!

A draft will NOT stop the Rich from exploiting the world with war!.. They will simply devise other methods of keeping their kids out... and even if they can't keep their kids out, they would still opt for war!

[Jon8503]

24. Some yes would still manage to cowardly stay out of the draft but

not all. Like anything, nothing works 100% to perfection. Should we stop all social aid as well because some would abuse the system. I think not.

It is a mute argument because there is no movement to put the draft into place yet and it will come around again. And Charlie is getting what he wanted to do out of it. It is everywhere and bringing attention to the fact of the unfairness of the system right now. And, I know about the protests in the 60's and yes there were changing attitudes, the civil rights movement but the Vietnam protests was the main focus at that time and it exploded across campuses and in the streets and stopped the war and the reason for the mass protests was because of the draft which was in force at the time. If it was like now where only a certain few are sacrificing for the war, you would have had different results.

[AndyTiedye]

16. Using Terms Like "Idiocy" Is a Poor Substitute for an Argument

The people don't want a draft. If the Democrats propose one and it passes, we will be punished at the polls by an angry electorate.

That is a high price to pay to make the war even more unpopular than it already is.

[TahitiNut]

19. Crystal Balls 'R' Us got a sale going on again?

I just love it when folks base their 'argument' on having a more reliable crystal ball. :eyes:

[Beelzebud]

21. Great. So now we advocate a draft AND call Arabs and muslims "Ragheads".