Crush, Kill, Destroy: Pro-impeachment screed

[dorkulon]

This column combines intense emotion with cold logic to make a good argument for impeachment. I concur, what say you?

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/3236

Original source: http://www.buffalobeast.com/110/crush_kill_destroy.htm

[novalib]

1. Beautiful!! FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!

I say BEAUTIFUL!!!!

I especially like this: "Bush needs to be impeached because Bush worshippers just plain deserve it. It was they that were giddy with self-righteous rage, so desperate to take Clinton down that they didn’t care how pathetic their excuse was. They need to be paid back, and to know they asked for it. They need to be demoralized and dismissed before they take the government back and damage it further."

Like I said: FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

24. Fantastic writers at

http://www.buffalobeast.com/. Continued on to some other articles... this one entitled
The Worst Show on Television
An election night diary by
Matt Taibbi

an excerpt

"A friend of mine a few weeks ago wrote me a letter suggesting that reporters come up with a list of press behaviors worth banning before the 2008 elections. One good one, I think, would be commending candidates for successfully manipulating voters and the media with crude fakery and bullshit. In other words, anytime a panel expert like Greenfield says something like "McCain's handlers have clearly done a great job at getting their man to sound more genuine in rural areas," he should have to do thirty hours of community service, ladeling out soup somewhere to paraplegics or something."
>snip

1:36 a.m. McCain appears on CNN, broadcasting live from his Arizona office. He's got American flags on either side of him and you can almost see his boner straining against his pants. His smile is unseemly. He's talking about Republican losses and trying to look sullen, but he's not fooling anyone. He's like the bachelor who starts trying to fuck the widow before the funeral convoy even reaches the cemetery.

This site is not for "I wanna be PC and everything will work out" type folks. It is biting and hard... and a glorious read.

[dorkulon]

26. I never miss an issue.

It's the best thing about living in Buffalo, to be sure. There's a pretty damn hilarious feature in the new issue about infiltrating the Church of Scientology in the new issue, too:

http://www.buffalobeast.com/110/cult_classic_scientology.htm

[Ian David]

2. Warning, George W! Danger! Danger!

<snip>
CNN tells us there’s “little public support” for impeachment. This is a lie. Current polling on public support is conspicuously absent, but polls from earlier this year showed support for impeachment at over 50%, and those polls were only on single issues—impeachment over wiretapping or the war lies only, not Bush’s entire oeuvre of wrongdoing. It’s not a fringe issue, despite the fact that no TV network will give a single impeachment supporter face time. But rather than ride this wave of outrage, exciting a base much broader than the loud minority that the GOP has relied on, the Democrats are adopting a policy of appeasement, assuaging people who will never, ever vote for them.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/3236

[Phredicles]

3. AWESOMELY BRILLIANT!!!

I'd like to tattoo that whole column on my chest...

[jgraz]

4. My favorite part

"One the main reasons for the loyalty of Republican voters is that they perceive themselves as winners. They are conformists above all. Make losers out of them, and watch how many jump to the winning team, and how quickly."

Too fucking true. And we should remember it as well. Subject your Rethug neighbors to as much ridicule as you possibly can. Use bumper-stickers, lawn signs, window stickers. Hell, rent a donkey costume and do an end-zone dance in your front yard. Once they realize what complete losers they are, they'll not only turn Democrat, they'll pretend they always were one.

[hwmnbn]

5. I saw a video of Newt Gingrich........

upon winning the '94 elections. He was locked and loaded and wasn't into "bi-partisanship" then.

THAT should be played for the dems now. They must not forget how it got to this point. Investigate correctly and impeachment will surely follow.

[dorkulon]

6. Exactly.

Any thorough investigation will surely bring up impeachable offenses, so what's the point if they've already announced they won't follow though?

[Dangerman]

7. Nice.

[never cry wolf]

8. A few more snippets from an excellent essay

You see it in the movies all the time. The hero, having vanquished his foe after a long and arduous struggle, rescues him from a certain death—usually the villain hangs from a window ledge, begging for his life, and the good guy proves his nobility by saving him. We all know what happens next: The villain pulls out a concealed weapon and tries once again to kill his savior.

In the movies, it’s just a way to morally insulate the hero from the ramifications of killing—this way, the audience’s bloodlust can be satisfied without moral qualms. It’s a nice cliché, but let’s face it: in real life, you’d let the guy drop the first time.

With the Democrats finally in charge of congress again, it’s Bush hanging from that ledge. And, while it might seem kind or even noble to extend a hand, the right thing to do is not just to let him drop; it’s to stamp on his bloodied hands to hasten his fall.

Republicans are scared to death about the Democrats’ subpoena power, and Detroit’s maverick rep John Conyers’ imminent status as chairman of the House Judicial Committee. But it appears they have little to fear. Next House Speaker and fundraising diva Nancy Pelosi has assured us that the new Democratic majority will not impeach Bush.

[SutaUvaca]

9. This says it all for me:

"Bush needs to be impeached because he is a criminal of the highest order, and because tolerating criminals at the seat of power is itself a crime against the nation."

Impeach him, impeach his Viper, and his Nanny and every cousin on his payroll. Away with them. The sooner the better.

[onenote]

10. here's where the screed goes off the tracks:

"Current polling on public support is conspicuously absent, but polls from earlier this year showed support for impeachment at over 50%, and those polls were only on single issues—impeachment over wiretapping or the war lies only, not Bush’s entire oeuvre of wrongdoing. It’s not a fringe issue."

Unfortunately for the author, this statement is demonstrably false. A Newsweek poll, widely reported here on DU and elsewhere, conducted Oct 19-20 (and I consider a poll conducted a month ago to be "current") indicated that a majority of the public believe investigating why we went to war in Iraq should be a top priority of the new Congress and that 58% believe that investigating iraq war contracts should be a top priority. In contrast, only 28 % believe impeachment should be a top priority.

What this suggests is that investigations, as an end unto themselves, should be the first order of business. Only when those investigations produce an upsurge in sentiment that the time to move on impeachment has come, should the focus change.

Probably the best indicator of how impeachment is perceived generally as a "fringe" issue is that out of the 468 campaigns just waged for seats in the House and Senate, virtually none of them made impeachment a central issue or even a peripheral issue. And of those relatively few candidates willing to discuss the "i" word, most lost (although I doubt their advocacy of impeachment is what cost them election). My point is that if even those Democrats in safe seats weren't talking about impeachment, why should anyone expect the subejct to magically elevate in importance afterwards.

[dorkulon]

12. There's a difference between "support" and "top priority"

For Release: January 16, 2006

New Zogby Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for Wiretapping

By a margin of 52% to 43%, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2

[onenote]

13. yep, and that's why you don't come out of the box yelling impeach

You go with your strength, which in this case is investigation and oversight--the action items with stronger support than impeachment. Then, hopefully, the call for impeachment grows as the investigations and oversight bear fruit.

[dorkulon]

18. Not arguing; correcting you.

You said the statement that "polls from earlier this year showed support for impeachment at over 50%" was "demonstrably false."

I posted a poll from earlier this year that put the number at 52%.

You are factually wrong. Strategy is another matter.

[TahitiNut]

17. Peeing isn't my 'top priority' tomorrow - but it's ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY!

Fucking rhetorical spin and bullshit! :grr:

[onenote]

27. thanks for the reasoned political analysis

:sarcasm:

[puebloknot]

11. "...like a battered wife, the Democrats can’t wait to make nice again..."

Perfect analogy! This article says it all.

While we are twisting in the wind, wondering what Pelosi and Conyers *really* meant by the "off the table comment," sucking it up and waiting for January 3rd to bring a shining new day, I fear that we will see Appeasement with a capital "A" and a dashing of our hopes for justice.

I'll take the "F" if my thesis is off the mark!

[TahitiNut]

14. "Because as wrong as the Republicans are, they’re right about one thing: ..."

"Because as wrong as the Republicans are, they’re right about one thing: the Democrats just don’t have the courage to do what’s right."

:toast:

I think I notice a consistent theme. :eyes:

[porphyrian]

15. I liked everything but the concluding challenge.

The fuck we aren't. Impeachment is coming.

[dorkulon]

19. I'd love for you to be right--

and this author to be wrong. But that's just what it is--a challenge.

[porphyrian]

23. We can have it if we want it and we work for it. - n/t

[NNadir]

16. There was little support for Nixon's impeachment when Sam Ervin started with the suponeas.

Things changed.

[cassiepriam]

20. If the truth comes out, the public will support impeachment.

First all the facts, then take action. It will be worse
than we now know, the extent of the criminal activity.

How many trillions of dollars have the repugs taken?
How many lives?

The people can decide once all the facts are out.

[dorkulon]

21. The facts already are out. Have been for years. nt

[cassiepriam]

25. No, some of it has been concealed, it is going to be much worse.

When the whole truth comes out, the public will demand action.

[boolean]

22. That was the greatest thing I've ever read ever

Impeach the bastard.