Obrador 'inauguration' in Mexico

[Sapphire Blue]

Obrador 'inauguration' in Mexico

The defeated left-wing candidate in Mexico's presidential election, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, has held an unofficial swearing-in ceremony.

During his "inauguration" in Mexico City, Mr Lopez Obrador said he was launching a "parallel government".

(snip)

"I swear to honour and fulfil the constitution as legitimate president," Mr Lopez Obrador told thousands of supporters in the Zocalo, Mexico City's main square.

Real support

Mr Lopez Obrador has promised he will do everything he can to hamper the government of Mr Calderon, who succeeds President Vicente Fox on 1 December.

"Those neo-fascist reactionaries better not think they'll have room to manoeuvre," he told his supporters on Saturday.

"We're going to keep them on a short leash."

Continued @ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6166908.stm

[Annces]

1. Good for him

I hope he makes them squirm as they should, the outlaws.

[KSU Wildcat]

2. The Mexican people had an election

and they chose their leader. It was not Obrador. Why are some of you having a hard time accepting that? Why should it matter to any of us who leads Mexico? It is a decision for the citizens of Mexico to make.

[Alexander]

3. Because the election was rigged?

It is a decision for the citizens of Mexico to make, not some right-wing Calderon supporters who stuff ballot boxes and use dirty tricks only Karl Rove would approve of.

Did you not know about the rigged election, or do you just not care?

[KSU Wildcat]

7. I really do not care.

We have enough of our own problems here. This is mexico's business and not ours.

[smalll]

14. Yeah, don't you know that every time the "left" loses an election

these days, its because the "right" stole it? Hell, even if the left WINS an election (like the 2006 Midterms) the right STILL stole it! Or so one might believe from some of the epic-length and "statistic"-filled posts that have escaped out of Election Reform up to GD in the past week or two.

[New Earth]

22. why do you have such a hard time understanding

that election fraud DOES HAPPEN? you should educate yourself on the issue before you say anything.

[Fovea]

32. Good for you. In general we do other people's business poorly.

But it will *become* our business, particularly here in Kansas.
Give it time. I think Mexico is going to have a rough patch for a bit.
And man, Wyandotte county has a large community of Mexican immigrants.
I think the same is true of JuncTown, IIRC.

My point is that there is no such thing as a civil war. And I fully expect
this to become an asymmetrical war, a lot like the Franco vs Anti-Fascist struggle, I suspect.
That raises the possibility that factional fighting will wander north of the border as when ,for example, the
PRI starts targeting the economic support migrant workers wire back home to the boonies.

I mean very few of us anglos have to worry much about it yet, but I do have sympathy
for the opposition down there. The south's love affair with the hard right is cooling.
The right is not being gracious about losing power. Funny that.

[Annces]

4. Obrador won, but they screwed him over

They supposedly did a recount of a percentage of the vote, instead of a full recount. And they shut him down. And I have friends in Mexico and I care about other countries being ruled by lying thugs.

And I am tired of people telling me what I should or shouldn't care about. It is a free world. And if I want to care about something, I sure as heck can.

[KSU Wildcat]

8. This is a Mexican issue.

It is none of our business.

[Annces]

11. Right and abuse functions best

when we all mind our own business.

Tell Obrador it is a Mexican issue only, or all the people who were held back by riot police. They want the world to know.

[KSU Wildcat]

12. Mexico's problem...not ours...nt

[Annces]

13. That is your opinion - you don't speak for anyone but yourself

[KSU Wildcat]

17. Likewise

[mom cat]

25. Exactly. Voter fraud is a worldwide problem and the fraudulent

results in Mexico directly affect the lives of us all.

[KSU Wildcat]

26. What is the solution??

Civil war in all of the countries where the losers declare voter fraud? I do not think that we, US, have any business sticking our nose into another country's business. Most certainly the UN does not have any business sticking their nose into another country's business unless invited.

This mantra of "voter fraud" for any side that loses is getting rather old. The US has too many internal problems to be addressed and do not need to worry about another country's problems. Let each country figure out their own problems.

[mom cat]

28. The fraud affects the plight of the oppressed worldwide. If you

are not among the oppressed, then it is to your advantage to ignore the fraud.

[KSU Wildcat]

30. What is the solution?? Civil War???

[mom cat]

31. I hope not, but we had to have a war to win our freedom. I hope that

they can win by concerted civil disobedience, They have been remerkably disciplined in that so far.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. Then why did you come to this thread instead of clicking the hide button? -nt

[Sapphire Blue]

5. Yeah, and bush won in '00 & '04

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

6. That's right. They elected Obrador and now he's taking office.

Welcome to DU.

[KSU Wildcat]

9. The votes did not show that Obrador won.

Caulderon won and besides it is none of our business. We have enough of our own problems to contend with. Why would you even care who the citizens of Mexico elect?

[EFerrari]

15. If Calderon had won, BushCo wouldn't have had to declare him

the winner before the votes were even counted.

Do you think all those millions of people demonstrated just because they had a a little "feeling"?

:)

Injustice anywhere diminishes us all. And since our government, and BushCo in particular, has done their best to keep the people of Mexico down, I'm very interested in how the Mexican people fight back.

Aren't you? You're looking at the real solution to illegal immigration. Doesn't that interest you?

[KSU Wildcat]

18. I do not give a flying leap

what Bush declared. It was meaningless if he indeed did declare Calderon winner. He was probably commenting on the reported vote count and that is fine with me. He was probably reaching out to the apparent winner of a neighboring country. He would have done the same if the reported vote count was favoring Obrador.

[EFerrari]

19. No, he wasn't and no, he wouldn't have. That's not typically

how the US deals with Latin America.

And if you don't give a flying leap, there are one or two other threads around here that might interest you. :)

[KSU Wildcat]

20. Read the original thread. The first line is..

"The defeated left-wing candidate in Mexico's presidential election, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, has held an unofficial swearing-in ceremony."

2 words say it all. Defeated and unofficial. Those are not my words. That is the first line in the original poster's article. Read it!

[EFerrari]

21. Do you always speak in the imperative? LOL!

Anyone who has been paying attention knows that fraud was rampant in that election, that BushCo sent down "advisors" and that the court that judged the "recount" was bribed.

Maybe you should read around more. :hi:

[eridani]

24. It damned well WAS Obrador

That is, if you count all of the ballots for him that were destroyed by his opposition.

[Peace Patriot]

10. Mexico has a revolutionary tradition, to some extent codified in the

Constitution, that oppressive, unrepresentative government can be replaced by a parallel, alternative government of the people. This was the tradition that was referenced in Oaxaca, in the establishment of an alternative state government, in the face of grievous oppression (the fascist governor has death squads--at least a dozen people have been killed). Calderon's implied endorsement of the fascist governor is part of the problem, and his (or his and Fox's) use of the federal army to enter Oaxaca in full Darth Vader mode, on the wrong side of the dispute. As for Lopez Obrador, there is no way that Calderon represents the majority of people in Mexico. He's a corporatist whose constituency is the rich and well off. And just a casual look at Mexico will tell who the majority are--the poor and the very poor. Fox, who handpicked Calderon, disappointed many people when he, too, became a corporatist. (Some hoped he would be more of a populist, since his administration ended an era of intense corruption and brutal rule of the kind Gov Ruiz is engaging in, in Oaxaca). The Calderon election stank to to high heaven. So Lopez Obrador and his millions of supporters, including the Oaxacans, are quite peacefully calling upon that revolutionary tradition of self-rule by the people. (It has ancient indigenous roots, recognized by the revolution.)

[lonestarnot]

16. Ooops! Revolution right on our doorstep!

[Vidar]

23. Viva Obrador! I wish Gore & Kerry had done the same.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

29. It would get really funny if people start withholding federal taxes

and sending them to a group tied to Obrador instead. Would they have the cojones?

[n2doc]

33. neo-fascist is right (see Picture)

or maybe just fascist....