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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:57 AM
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The Best Thanksgiving Ever: Gen Clark, VP Gore tell us you have joined forces.
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 01:23 AM by understandinglife
It matters not which of you is going to run as President or Vice President.

It really doesn't.

Just go before the media on Thanksgiving morning and tell the world that you are going to partner, for the sake of American and humanity, and campaign as the next President and Vice President of the United States of America.

I don't think something like that has ever happened before.

I know it's needed now.

I suggest you begin with a very simple joint statement, like:

" and planned and launched an illegal war of aggression on the Nation of Iraq. We will hold him accountable and we begin the process of holding him accountable by telling all of humanity - NEVER AGAIN."

You are both more skillful and astute than I am so please know the above is a mere humble suggestion from a citizen who will work tirelessly to see you inaugurated in January, 2009.

Thank you for your consideration of this proposal,
Bob




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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:01 AM
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1. Absolutely.
With ya, Bob.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:08 AM
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2. Would be interesting to discuss over turkey!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:11 AM
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4. You'd be invited to our home for more than one glass of champagne ...
... Paul, if they did it. I promise you that!

Happy Thanksgiving and thank you, again, for all you are doing to save the Republic,

Bob


BE AMERICA. ---
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:10 AM
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3. Why not the VERY best.... K&R
No more fooling around with "the guy next door" or a "super star" - just lots of brains, experience, and good judgment. These two have it...supported them both in the past.

Excellent post!!!!!!!!!!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:12 AM
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6. "just lots of brains, experience, and good judgment. These two have it"
Oh. Do. They. Ever.

:toast: to you and yours, my friend.

Happy Thanksgiving,
Bob


BE AMERICA. ---
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:12 AM
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5. We'll soon see if they read DU!
Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:26 AM
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7. Let's us all hope they do, or that someone will convey the message that ...
... "We the People ..." need them to stand together and make the next two years a positive, robust process of restoring the law and affirming America's commitment to the dignity of humanity.

Happy Thanksgiving :toast: to you and yours!

Bob


BE AMERICA. ---
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:42 AM
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8. I'lI go out on a limb here, and say that the best
is inevitable.

Like minded Democrats in positions of consequence will find themselves gravitated into the right company.

Water, meet sunshine. Sunshine: water.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:18 AM
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9. Gore and Clark ARE MY ticket!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:34 AM
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10. Title 18, US Code, Section 371
Conspiring to defraud the United States.

Hold them accountable. It's all about the Rule of Law.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 03:39 AM
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11. An event lke this could be very powerful
Not only would it flip the paradigm on the repubs, it might nueter them.

Like Ghostbusters crashing your thanksgiving dinner..

CRASH . . Booom ... bang...

Hi, I'm AL.......... & I'm Wes..

AL: We're here today because we've been flipping out over all the stupid things the Bush Crime Family has been doing.

Wes: Thats right Al, you see folks , ever since I got out of the military I've been looking for something new to do.
Wes ducks into a broom closet finds a broom... sticks his head out, says to Al, " I found one".

Al holds his hand out graciously and tells Wes: "Go ahead, don't let me stop you....."

Wes starts sweeping the floor around the family dinning room table... "We have such a horrible mess in Iraq..", Wes crouches down to look at the Husband eye to eye and addresses the husband, "Its not like we can just clean things up", Wes Stands erect, yanks off his tear away janitors overalls to reveal a military uniform. Martial music swells from the background, Wes states to no one, but everyone, "Its time to bring our kids back from Iraq".

Am ackward silence ensues.



AL: AHh Wes, how come you get a theme song & I don't ?


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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:33 PM
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21. "Like Ghostbusters crashing your thanksgiving dinner....." I like that script!!!
:toast:

Thank you, Roger,

Bob


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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:01 AM
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12. K&R! n/t
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:54 AM
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14. Mandela Inaugural/Marianne Williamson
Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate, but that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, handsome, talented, and fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God.

Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We were born to manifest the glory of God within us. It is not just in some; it is in everyone. And, as we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear, our presence automatically liberates others."

--Nelson Mandela, 1994 South African Presidential Inaugural Speech, quoting spiritual leader Marianne Williamson of the Church of Today in Detroit.

*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
Our light has been substantially threatened over the last six years. It's time to shine again!
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:47 AM
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13. K&R I just came up from watching Hardball...
...the VERY DEFINITION of not having a life! :) No one asked me to go out dancing tonight, so what was I to do???

There was an exchange between a Repub (ugh) strategist and a Dem strategist over the war. Matthews and the Repub jumped on the Dem, demanding to know what the Dems plan to do about the war. The Dem did a lot of hedging and then said, "Well, you know, the President *is* still the Commander in Chief (and will continue to be was implied, of course).

I had a sinking feeling that the Repubs are going to sing this song for the next two years: "It's your baby now." Further, I hope the Dems don't defer to Bush and fail to yank his chain on this war!!!!!!

Although I have been annoyed at the idea that Dems are already running for office in 2008, and such things as holding the criminals in the government accountable may be relegated to the round file, I think that an announcement of intention to run together on the part of these two men would help to give the country some hope. And maybe they could have some influence in shaping Dem handling of withdrawal from Iraq.

I do think, though, that Wesley Clark should run as Vice-President with PRESIDENT Al Gore! Both men have intelligence and integrity, at least to a degree we haven't lately enjoyed, and Clark's military experience would be a boon. In some ways, making such an announcement would sort of pull the rug out from under Georgie's b.s. about military matters because he can't hold a candle to Clark. On the other hand, they could jointly suffer from blame laid on the Dems if changing strategy on the war doesn't happen.

So, we can talk about it here at DU. The big issue is to get a movement going and go beyond DU because we really are preaching to the converted here. However, I'm new here, and I'd be interested in what some of you think about our posts here getting attention beyond this private venue.

The People voted for change on November 7, particularly with regard to the war. If the Democrats don't step up to the plate with a strong plan for Iraq, and more than symbolic (and long-lasting) hearings on the many impeachable crimes of Bush, et al., I think we are in deep, deep trouble.

If I were Al Gore, I don't know that I'd put myself out there again without strong signs of support from the People, and strong indications that the Dem Congress is going to do its job. The Congress doesn't need new drapes, and they don't need a lot of time to get organized. I hope that Ms. Pelosi's first 100 hours will include strong action on Iraq. If the Dems defer to our current CIC, we may see many more American and Iraqi lives lost, and major problems with Iran.

Someone mentioned hoping Conyers doesn't get the Wellstone treatment (words to that effect). I've thought a lot about that. Dennis Kucinich said in 2004 at a meeting here in Santa Fe, after the 2000 judicial coup, after 9/11, after the anthrax attacks, and if I remember correctly, soon after the death of Wellston, that fear was palpable in the halls of Congress. I've asked myself if I have a right to expect people in Congress to play David against Goliath when their very lives are at risk. With regret, I have to say, I, we, have that right. Just as my father raised his hand and swore to defend the Constitution (with his life, if necessary), when he enlisted to fight the war in Europe, our Congresspersons take their own oath to support and defend the Constitution. There is strength in numbers, and if they will stand together for what is right, what is legal, there is a better chance that we can see change.

My friend, UL, we are Internet friends, have exchanged messages over a relatively short period of time, but I'd just like to say: You are skillful and astute in your own right. This isn't an humble suggestion; it's a bold one. I think we all need to start *right now* stirring the waters, letting the new Congress know what we *expect* of them, and letting these candidates know of our support.

There's something in that speech ** (I'll look it up and post it) from Marianne Williamson or Mandela (I'm still confused about its origin) about "playing small." We can't afford to do that, any of us.







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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:43 AM
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15. Excellent idea, UL!
In fact, I've secretly thought something very similar for a while now. I've never mentioned it here because I figured it would get laughed (or flamed) at!

My thought is for Al Gore come out and say he was running, here's his VP, here's who he'd make SecDef, SecState, etc. - give the people a REAL ticket, an actual administration to vote for.

My dream is that the Democratic Party would acknowledge it, saying here's who we are, here's OUR ticket.

I think it would be a winning idea.

K&R
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:49 AM
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16. Big Al and the General
sure has a good sound to it
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:32 AM
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17. Nice dream, but we're going to get Hillary, like it or not.
Prove me wrong please,
but thats whats going to happen.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:43 AM
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19. Pitcher with glass arm. Boxer with a glass jaw. Clinton is the new Kerry.
Keep in mind that Kerry only got the nomination because Dean tanked in Iowa. Had he held his support together in that state, he'd have gone on to win the nomination.

I know her support is a mile wide right now, but it's also only inch-thick. Once people see how she stands up in a debate with the big guns, once they see how her Carville de jour runs the dirty side of her campaign, she's gonna start bleeding support. She's the default position right now. 18 months from now "Hillary for President" is going to seen as quainter than the pet rocks fad.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:36 AM
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18. Nobody runs for Vice President (and certainly after being elected president)
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 08:36 AM by Bucky
It would be absurd for Gore to take the demotion (having been elected president once already) and it would be absurd for Clark to drop his presidential ambitions 20 months away from the convention and 14 months before the primary season. This is a silly post.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:08 PM
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23. Look beyond that..... Tag Team
I think there is a germ of an idea there.... maybe not AL & WES, but 2 strong candidates running as a team with a cabinet.....
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:37 AM
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20. Now that would make me truly thankful!
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:51 PM
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22. I've been advocating a Gore/Clark ticket

This is my dream ticket.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:19 PM
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24. Oh, man....
What a dream team ticket.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 01:58 AM
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25. I'd have no problem with that ticket, either way.
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 02:02 AM by Clarkie1
Edit: I do think Clark/Gore would have a highter probability of winning red states than Gore/Clark, but either ticket would have a good chance.

Gore and Clark have a lot in common. Perhaps the most important is their understanding of science, and in particular the urgency of addressing global warming. I know of now other potential candidates who truly understand science to the depth of Gore and Clark, and I think that's important in the 21st century.
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