IRAQ TO AMERICA: GET OUT....

[kpete]

IRAQ TO AMERICA: GET OUT.... PIPA has released a new poll of Iraqi attitudes toward the U.S. occupation, and the takeaway is very, very clear: they want us to leave. 74% of Shiites and 91% of Sunnis want us to leave within a year (the number is 80% for Shiites in Baghdad). By wide margins, both groups believe U.S. forces are provoking more violence than they're preventing, and both groups believe that day-to-day security would improve if we left. Support for attacks on U.S. forces now commands majority support among both Shiites and Sunnis. And none of this is because of successful al-Qaeda propaganda: 94% of Iraqis continue to disapprove of al-Qaeda.

Now, it may be that these views are misguided. But it hardly matters: it's simply not possible for us to occupy the country successfully if a majority of Iraqis actively support attacks on our troops and a vast majority think we're responsible for the rising violence. It's time for us to leave.




The report is here.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/275.php?nid=&id=&pnt=275&lb=hmpg1
via:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_11/010269.php

[bryant69]

1. So the Iraqi people and the American people are in agreement

Too bad the decider has placed himself on the otherside of the fence.

Bryant
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[maine_raptor]

2. Gee, didn't Bush once say that we would leave if the Iraqi's asked us?

I remembering him saying that. There's got to be a video of that somewhere.

Ok, now they need to have another election over there. Have a vote on one question:

"Do you want US Forces to leave our country within one year from the date of this election?"

Yes or No.

Methinks the result would be the Iraqi people giving Bush a purple finger.

(And not the index one either.)

[mcg]

7. Oh, but you misunderstood what Bush said, you see...

he meant we would leave if ALL the Iraqis ask us to leave, including his puppets, a simple majority is not enough for him, majority rule means nothing to him, it certainly means nothing to him here.

[wordpix]

19. "Do you want US Forces to leave our country within one year from the date of this election?"

GREAT IDEA! Iraq needs a referendum on the U.S. occupation. Great way to show how democracy works!!!:applause: :woohoo:

[IndyOp]

3. "The Logic of Withdrawal" -- Anthony Arnove --

If you've not read it and you want what the Iraqis want, it is a very, very good read.

The link to Anthony's "In These Times" article based on the book:
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2555

THE U.S. MILITARY HAS NO RIGHT TO BE IN IRAQ IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT BRINGING DEMOCRACY TO IRAQ.

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT MAKING THE WORLD A SAFER PLACE BY OCCUPYING IRAQ.

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT PREVENTING CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ.

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT CONFRONTING TERRORISM BY STAYING IN IRAQ.

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT HONORING THOSE WHO DIED BY CONTINUING THE CONFLICT.

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT REBUILDING IRAQ.

THE UNITED STATES IS NOT FULFILLING ITS OBLIGATION TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE FOR THE HARM AND SUFFERING IT HAS CAUSED.

[buddysmellgood]

4. The Iraqi people must have patience.

It takes a while to pump out all their oil.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. But the idiot-in-chief doesn't pay attention to polls...remember?

:eyes:

I think the Iraq puppet government should hold another purple finger election:

1. Should the USA leave?

2. Should the USA stay?

and if the people vote for us to leave, we're outta there! Simple. A very simple solution.

[Gregorian]

8. I just read your post as Clash lyrics.

Sadly, it almost makes sense.

Should I stay or should I go
If you say that you are mine
I'll be here 'til the end of time
So you got to let me know
Should I stay or should I go


Those ungrateful Iraqis. After ALL we've done for them. I mean, bombs raining down versus Saddam and his murderous republican guards.

[mmonk]

6. Interesting graphic. (on the as security improves).

John Edwards said last night at Meredith college we ought to start drawing down troops and be out in 12 to 18 months. Pretty close to their sentiment.

[wordpix]

20. I would like to hear Murtha on this topic right now

[radfringe]

9. poll means nothing

bush doesn't pay attention to polls... :evilgrin:

[wilt the stilt]

13. don't forget Poland

it's full of Polls

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[wilt the stilt]

11. Stay the course

Screw you Iraq. We are the U.S. and we tell you when we are going to leave.

[Zhade]

28. Sarcasm, right?

NT!

[AllexxisF1]

12. Is..

this some screwy non reliable poll or is a major one that will picked up and aired all over the mass media?

[LynnTheDem]

32. Reliable major poll saying same thing other major reliable polls

of what Iraqis have been saying for the past 3.5 years that no one in the US will bother listening to.

Then when the US is forced to hear the people of Iraq, Americans will sit dazed and stunned and ask themselves "why do they hate us??!"

[civildisoBDence]

14. As they stand up, we'll stand down

Problem is, we train 'em, then they go fight with the insurgency or the militias.

They're standing up, just not where we want them to.

Newsprism

[Texasgal]

15. Well I suppose that is what we deserve

considering that we occupied them for no damn reason...

[Zhade]

29. We'd do the same thing in their position.

NT!

[Puppyjive]

16. A Way out of Iraq

The mission needs to change to a strictly humanitarian mission. The troops should be deployed outside of Iraq and used to distribute aid via air support. What Iraq plans to do with the aid is up to them. If the country transcends into a full blown civil war, let them be. We can't solve their problems. We can aid, and we can spare the life a US soldier.

[wordpix]

21. We are going to need a big force to back up a huge humanitarian mission. The militias are

after all the loot they can get and they will be hijacking humanitarian convoys without significant military protection.

[LynnTheDem]

33. No, the "mission" needs to be what the people of IRAQ want;

"get the fuck OUT" has been the very clear message from day one.

THAT is what the "mission" should be changed to.

[Jcrowley]

17. K & R

American dignity
So far, what have the US invasion and occupation of Iraq led to - other than a staggering bloodbath, killing fields galore and a secret landscape of detention centers and torture chambers?

As a start, an already badly battered Iraqi economy was turned into a looting ground for Bush administration crony corporations and thoroughly wrecked. (Tall Afar, for instance, is considered a US "success" story when it comes to security, though part of the city is now a "ghost town" of rubble, and unemployment there is estimated at almost 70%.)

The Iraqi education system is in tatters; the medical system in ruins; basic social and urban services almost undeliverable; oil production barely up to pathetic prewar levels (if present-day figures are even real, which is in doubt); the position of women now disastrous; child malnutrition on the rise; and well over a million Iraqis have fled their homes in a country of only 26 million people.

In addition, national sovereignty has been destroyed; the national police system is on its last legs, its ranks well stocked with men loyal to various murderous Shi'ite militias; a Sunni insurgency rages ever more violently; a Kurdish form of independence seems ever more likely (though inconceivable to neighboring states); corruption is rampant; and a central government, whose sway doesn't reach most streets in its capital, is now considered "the least accountable and least transparent regime in the Middle East". (The Interior Ministry alone "reportedly employs at least 1,000 ghost employees, whose wages amount to more than $1 million a month".)

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=141003

[Clarkie1]

18. 68% say do not withdraw now, wait at least one year.

I don't disagree time is limited, but most Iraqis do not want us to withdraw tomorrow, so in that sense the best option today is not "time for us to go," as you assert. The implication you make is that we should withdraw as soon as physically possible, and neither the Iraqis nor the majority of Americans want that kind of failure and chaos. That is made clear in the article.

[biggles1]

22. Yes. However, they are prepared for the greater violence

which will ensue when US troops leave. Well over 50% believe that there will be an INCREASE in violent activity when the troops leave, BUT THEY STILL WANT THEM OUT!

[danhan]

27. You are correct Clarkie1

Did anyone else notice that the only choices in this poll are withdrawal in one time frame or another? The question asked here is a no brainer. If foreign troops were in this country and some one asked if you wanted them out, of course the answer is yes. For all we know, based on this particular poll, no one wants us to leave now. We know that's not correct so the credibility of this sort of poll is shot.

[LynnTheDem]

34. "the credibility of this sort of poll is shot"

:rofl:

[Anakin Skywalker]

23. Hah Hah Hah!

[illinoisprogressive]

24. And Bush will still think he is thier messia and bringing them joy

So like everything else dealing in reality, especially when concerning iraq, Bush will just pretend everything is okee dokee

[Disturbed]

25. What most Iraqis want is of no concern.

Isn't that obvious?

[madrchsod]

26. they wanted us to leave several days after we

were in baghdad. they were glad we overthrew saddam then with in days they realized we had no intention of providing security, we were interested in protecting the oil fields. the iraq people were of no value to the empire

[LynnTheDem]

30. Sorry; 1. we know what's best for the people of Iraq. 2) we messed

Iraq up, we must stay and fix it. "White man's burden" and all that crap.

(Yes, 1 & 2 are absolute total :sarcasm: )

And of course the real reason we cannot leave;

""The importance of oil in the region "means that it would be entirely unacceptable for the United States to consider withdrawal from Iraq, no matter how insecure the environment".

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20794524-5006506,00.html

Blood for oil; it's the New American Way.

[Wiley50]

31. Their(clears throat) OFFICIALS Need To Tell Our (pukes) OFFICIALS

AND THEY NEED TO YELL IT LOUD TO ANY MEDIA THAT WILL LISTEN

[JohnnyRingo]

35. Someday...commanders in the Green Zone will look around them....

...and realize how Custer felt when he came to when he noticed he was surrounded by natives.

[Imagevision]

36. -----> 3571 Iraqi civilians killed in October, a record...so far.

[Imagevision]

37. The "mission" was... WMD's until Bush stated; "it doesn't matter anymore"??!!