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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:31 PM Original message |
TRUTHISALL: 1 in 76 BILLION Odds of 5.1% Discrepancy in Dem House Vote vs. Generic Poll |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sorry, I got lost in the figures. |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. There is one chance in 76 billion that it was not rigged. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Thanks mom cat. |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. DATA TYPOS FIXED HERE ... (from TIA) |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
45. Please note another eror in the text: |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
184. Be warned: she's very wrong indeed. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
56. Yikes!!! |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 08:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
183. NO! NO! No, that's completely and utterly wrong, twice over! |
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bananarepublican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 04:36 AM Response to Reply #8 |
220. Bush obviously prayed for a miracle! n/t |
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iconoclastic cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Hey, how is TIA doing? |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. Oh, Dear |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
77. T he generic poll is assumed to be wrong |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 08:52 AM Response to Reply #77 |
127. TIA: Generic polls ask "would you vote for the Dem or Rep in your district"? |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
82. Ha! Ha, I say! |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Could you pls provide a citation or reference for your statement that |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
154. Take a look at the following link - |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #82 |
129. TIA HAS THE LAST LAUGH |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #129 |
143. that's called "cherry-picking" |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #143 |
161. TIA: Reply to foo-bar |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #161 |
175. so he admits he's cherry-picking |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 08:19 AM Response to Reply #161 |
177. thanks for the shout-out, guy |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:04 AM Response to Reply #82 |
130. TIA: 2004 pre-election poll detail |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
112. I see his surrogates... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:02 AM Response to Reply #112 |
119. I assume that was just a direct quotation |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's obvious some people have never taken Statistics |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. No many of us haven't. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. TIA has three graduate degrees in mathematics. nt |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. So he claims. This is the Internet. |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. I keep hearing that |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. And he uses Excel for everything... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
95. oh dear. Next time will you be 1000? |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. "I'm not a statistician" -TIA |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
70. TIA's resume as to studies is decent - and I believe him to be an honest guy. |
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nick303 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. grepping around with his "areas of expertise" brings up the course list for Clemson? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. It's a standard course list for a math major - no big deal IMO n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
106. I'm A Billionaire |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 10:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
147. TIA is brilliant and I would trust his work over the NYT or |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #147 |
153. They're losers, and they know it's all going to come out in the wash. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #153 |
193. yeah, all the skeptics will be sorry when the TIA revolution comes! |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #153 |
197. Well, GV, I made two, what might be called, primary posts, |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. nice flame bait |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #199 |
200. You may be able to learn from that. "Vulgarisation", as the French put it, |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. shall we be candid? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #201 |
204. Well, I certainly wouldn't expect to learn anything from you, GV. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #204 |
205. do you actually read our posts? |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #153 |
226. Absolutely They Won't |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
216. That's irrelevant ... |
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ramblin_dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. What about this analysis by the Election Defense Alliance? |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Exactly. The analysis of fraud is coming in from several reliable sources. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
69. I think we all expected fraud |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
48. this was debunked on the ER forum, but the dream lives on |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 01:15 AM Response to Reply #48 |
88. Two things for which I'll loan you enough rope to hang |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:38 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. it's "fluoride" (and "fluoridation", "fluoridated") |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #94 |
152. Fluoride or flouride - It was also 11:15Pm when I posted |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
155. "Like Creationism, only people outside of their field can even |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #155 |
174. "you people"? minus Skinner I presume? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #174 |
190. Cry baby. You can dish it out to believers, but you can't take it, when |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. comparing bad science to bad science is offensive? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Funny. You didn't sound at all open to any argument for Creationism. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #195 |
208. so the comparison is insulting to Creationism? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. ""But like most terms of abuse, 'reductionism' has no fixed meaning." |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #210 |
211. "That's where you seem to lacking in perception." |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #211 |
213. More quotes? Tee, hee. Jim Lehrer's you latest guru, is he? I must say |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 12:19 AM Response to Reply #213 |
235. do secular fundamentalists have gurus? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #190 |
194. yadda yadda yadda |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. care to elaborate? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Just curious...have you taken statistics? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I'll take that as a 'No' |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. If you'll re-read my initial post you may notice that my only point was |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 07:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. It's not my job to teach you statistics |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 08:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. And I'm still waiting for ONE of you to tell me you took a stat course |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. And still you avoid the subject... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #75 |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #85 |
128. Bring it on, you say? Consider it brought. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #128 |
131. Thanks for stepping in Skinner. n/t |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:29 AM Response to Reply #128 |
135. Why? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:34 AM Response to Reply #135 |
138. OK. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Ok |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:41 PM Response to Reply #138 |
171. Better watch it, Skinner. |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
97. Okay, I passed a couple college statistics courses |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #97 |
142. Read Mine Below |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:49 AM Response to Reply #52 |
107. Who's Chester? |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. I took statistics in college. |
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Hav (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. . |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:41 AM Response to Reply #86 |
109. the whole OP is a mistake |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #109 |
136. Then Provide Some |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #136 |
173. I don't know who you are |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #86 |
137. Here's Two Of Them, Beet |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #137 |
140. THANK YOU! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #140 |
141. I've Had These Discussions Before With TIA |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #137 |
156. TIA Replies to ProfessorGAC and Skinner |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. In other words, he's full ot it. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 08:24 AM Response to Reply #156 |
178. yawn |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 11:57 AM Response to Reply #156 |
189. TIA should do his homework, any homework |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:01 AM Response to Reply #81 |
90. it's a variation on a theme |
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Hav (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 08:05 AM Response to Reply #90 |
125. . |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
219. Brilliant post ... |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. polls do have a plus and minus factor--it is not an exact science. |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. All of that has been taken into consideration. |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:18 PM Original message |
If it had been we wouldn't keep having stupid threads like this. |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
98. Is that why you troll these threads? Because of unaccounted MOEs? |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. It's funny, however, that the plus/minus factor |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
61. no, that's not it |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:32 AM Response to Reply #61 |
103. That was my point |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:36 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. no, your premise is incorrect |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:21 AM Response to Reply #108 |
132. Always happy when you show up OTOH... |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:36 AM Response to Reply #132 |
149. I view the response... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #132 |
172. (blush) have a great one too! n/t |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #108 |
148. You still make my case |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:46 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. your points about BIAS are right on! |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #151 |
182. you have a lot to learn |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 09:04 AM Response to Reply #148 |
185. well, if your point is |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #185 |
196. Turkey calls |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. not really |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:11 AM Response to Reply #198 |
236. OK, I read your paper |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 08:27 AM Response to Reply #236 |
238. thanks for the qq. |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-27-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #238 |
239. mal-pResidency discount |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 06:46 AM Response to Reply #239 |
240. you're asking the right questions |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. Oh come off it already. This posts just cause loss of credibility. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
117. He never had any credibility to begin with. n/t |
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Last Stand (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
15. That's why Chimp didn't fire Rummy before the election. |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Ah, so the fact that the election wasn't stolen PROVES it would have been. |
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Last Stand (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. what's your point? We're now talking numbers here. |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Thank you for that clarification. |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. That is not what the poster said. |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
17. Recommended. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
22. #5 here. This just keeps geting better.!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Glad to see you. I thought you had gone on vacation. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
23. The problem isn't mathematical or statisticaL |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. The exit polls are known to have a Dem bias. |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Actually, exit polls are quite reliable. The theory of the "Dem Bias" |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Link? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. riiiiiiiiight |
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crazylikafox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Known to have a Dem bias by whom? |
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survivor999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I heard in on NPR. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:09 AM Response to Reply #36 |
120. this roundup might help |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. From TIA: THESE ARE 116 PRE-ELECTION GENERIC POLLS, NOT EXIT POLLS |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Neither one is necessarily wrong. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. well, the issue here isn't wins in individual districts |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. You're right - its not as bad as my initial quick look |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:44 AM Response to Reply #72 |
110. yeah, it's all pretty remarkable |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
80. Ha! Ha! I say - |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
209. The importance of your post, the point you make here, cannot be |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:24 AM Response to Reply #209 |
223. what is this, self-parody? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #223 |
227. Just respond to smalll's post. How come the sudden interest |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. on MY part? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
102. Individual house race polls showed results very similar to what happened. |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
68. You don't really know how well the polls generalize... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
101. Indeed. They are overwhelmingly concentrated in urban areas and |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:56 AM Response to Reply #101 |
116. I actually disagree with the first part |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #116 |
159. I don't know about that. I did see a couple states that had some strange |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #159 |
188. sorry, took me a while to find this again... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. K&R |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
27. Just as we figured, though we didn't use statistics... |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Bingo! They misunderestimated their opposition! |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
43. another great moment in TIA "history" |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. You should know about shrill. |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:02 AM Response to Reply #54 |
92. "I know what you are, but what am I?" |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
63. Yes... |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. Sam Wang, assistant professor of molecular biology ? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:47 AM Response to Reply #79 |
114. actually the PhDs in statistics aren't always a bargain either |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:11 AM Response to Reply #114 |
121. I Posted Wang's Results Because He Had It "Right" And "Wrong" |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:26 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. yup, and even his wrong was pretty right |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 08:34 AM Response to Reply #122 |
180. Dr. Wang is an honest scientist |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 09:17 AM Response to Reply #180 |
186. yes, this reminds me of one of TIA's greatest hits |
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foo_bar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:13 AM Response to Reply #63 |
93. Wang subsequently admitted he was wrong |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
206. Yeah. Same with the work of the insurance company actuaries. Absolutely |
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livvy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
46. Definite K&R . It does just keep getting more interesting. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. Just a thought maybe the rigging was |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
55. Well then, odds are votes were stolen, again. nm |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
60. k&r'd, hon... |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
64. K&R'd |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
71. This happens in virtually every election. |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
76. TIA is like Fox News, only for the left.... |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:23 AM Response to Reply #76 |
99. Interesting comparison -- one single "crank" with a theory vs. a major network |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:02 AM Response to Reply #76 |
118. My guess? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
78. Deleted message |
truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 01:19 AM Response to Reply #78 |
89. I'm pretty much for mental health |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
87. WOW!!!! |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
91. k&r |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
96. Cook and Rothenberg predicted about a 30 seat pickup before the election |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:29 AM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Exactly. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:25 AM Response to Original message |
104. I'm not impressed by the mumbo jumbo |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
105. Here's The Final Round Of Polls |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
111. Interesting. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:46 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. :-( |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:50 AM Response to Reply #111 |
115. does getting other people to post it for him count? |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
123. Oh My God you folks are obsessed!!!!! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 07:55 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Who Are You To Dispute 76,000,000,000 To 1 Odds? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 08:36 AM Response to Reply #123 |
181. The "Massive army of knowing conspirators" theory is just one version |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
126. This analysis is an embarrassment. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:26 AM Response to Reply #126 |
134. Absolutely |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #126 |
162. Skinner, this is one of the best posts I have ever seen on DU |
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RoyGBiv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #126 |
217. I just want to say thank you ... |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #126 |
225. so here's my question |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:34 AM Response to Reply #225 |
237. It is a topic worth discussing |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
133. Enormous And Unsupportable Assumptions Abound |
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Dick Diver (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #133 |
145. You're correct, Professor. Those "leaps in logic" include |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #145 |
146. You And Me, Dick. Let's Go To The Geek Club |
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Dick Diver (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #146 |
150. Sorry, Professor. When I wrote my post |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
144. PELOSI GET RID OF THE MACMINES |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
158. Deleted message |
DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. We Can Settle This Easily And Fairly.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #160 |
165. YES! |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 06:30 AM Response to Reply #165 |
176. Thank You |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #160 |
169. Or to the journals of AAPOR or the American Statistical Association, etc. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #158 |
163. The lunacy continues with the help of water carriers |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. My Suggestion Is Eminently Reasonable... |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. Yes, it was |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #163 |
187. 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wish'd n/t |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #158 |
170. You know what? |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
166. Gore should still be President |
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DaveinMD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
168. this is all bs |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
179. This reminds me of Dan Rather's "Memogate". |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #179 |
202. Precicely. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #179 |
207. And they wonder why we pillory them! |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:06 AM Response to Reply #207 |
221. well, I've always wondered |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #221 |
228. I'm sure you have, GV. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #228 |
230. I'm glad to see you say that |
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Kip Humphrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-23-06 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
191. Hmm...a 5.1% decline in Democratic vote share. Reminds me of my pre-election prediction |
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bigriver (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
203. Whoever TIA is, he's pushing garbage. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #203 |
212. He accurately showed that both the 2000 and 2004 elections |
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bigriver (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. And I should trust your words why? |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. The reason his sycophants have to post his bilge is outlined here: |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #214 |
218. Curious. |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:11 AM Response to Reply #218 |
222. no numbers or pie charts are necessary |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. Oh because some other mathematical geniuses have come |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #224 |
231. no, you are seeing a lot of ridicule |
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Dick Diver (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #224 |
232. This post is incorrect on so many levels. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. Thanks for bringing up my calculator again. |
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Dick Diver (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. Fine, then. Since you choose to participate in the conversation |
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