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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:35 PM
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Eyewitness to UCLA library Tasing -- detailed account
http://www.blakeross.com/2006/11/17/on-the-ucla-tasering/

Account from eyewitness UCLA student Mher (last name withheld):

The first thing I noticed was the student shout “don’t touch me” the very first time when he was still as his desk (a little earlier than when the camera began to roll I believe. I was about 30 feet away from him.) I hadn’t noticed the policemen come in. I looked over and I saw the student standing up, his hands were in the air in a very “get your hands off me” manner. One of the police officers did in fact have his hands on him and was grabbing one of his right arms, or maybe more but I didn’t pay too much attention to it right away (I was doing work on the computer). I returned to typing as it seemed that he was just going to escorted out. I thought the incident was over then and went back to my paper. A very short time later (maybe I’d estimate 30 secondsish) I heard him again, but this time farther down by the exit of the computer lab, shouting “don’t touch me” and soon after the shock.

I was stunned and I think most other people were stunned as well. One girl started trotting over from where I was and said “you can’t do that”. I got up soon after and walked over. I didn’t see what happened before the first shock, but I soon approached and saw him held on the ground by the officers and in the midst of being cuffed. I don’t know if he had been struggling up to this point, but when I got there he was pretty much subdued and the officers were doing the struggling (turning him over to finish cuffing him, manhandling him pretty much). He yelled a few things during this time and you can hear it all on the video. Then the officers were dragging him up from his arms and demanding that he stand up. He looked really messed up at this point, as if he had just ran a race or something. His face was kind of pinkish (probably from the shock and all the shouting) and his body was slumped. I started saying to him “get up dude, just get up”, and I think some other people may have been encouraging him. He wasn’t making a move and just about then they shocked him again.

At this point a couple of other students and I started shouting back at the cops. I hadn’t seen what led to the first shock, but I did see the time in between and the second shock was completely unjustifiable. He was definitely not being violent, he wasn’t moving, at all. A few of us were shouting as they led him down the stairway and shocked him right there going down and he fell pretty hard on the tiles of the steps (I think you can see him flying up on the video). They dragged him down to the entrance foyer and there I, and a couple other students became more vocal. The CSOs were trying to block us off at this point, but they were porous and few. Several students had been demanding badge numbers, but the 2 officers had obviously not responded up to that point, and never did. (The student was shocked AT LEAST two more times before he was finally dragged out of the building.)

In the foyer, there were a few other officers. One of them came to approach us. One other student and I started speaking with this officer, saying mostly 1) this student is being assaulted by these officers and you have to stop this and 2) we want the names and badge numbers of all the officers there. He told us that we would get them and that we needed to calm down. The student was pretty much motionless at this point except for the few times he was being tased.

SNIP
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:38 PM
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1. Hmm, I wonder if the tased student has a touch phobia
I had one for a while when I was in my teens, and I would have completely freaked if anyone had grabbed my arm.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:50 PM
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4. the student is brown and middle eastern looking-- he probably...
...walks around in a continual state of awareness of suspicion and "outsiderness," especially where state authority figures like cops are concerned.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:47 PM
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2. Autistic kids hate being touched. I wonder if this kid was autistic.
Other than that, it seems to me that being tased in and of itself could keep someone from being able to stand upo right away so it would be counterproductive to keep tasing him for not standing up. All in all, these officers seemed to be poorly trained. They seemed to have no concept of how to calm someone down - just kept escalating things. From my experience as a school teacher, when an unruly student is being loud the thing to do is speak very softly so he has to shut up to hear you - not shout at him as the officers were doing. Speaking softly tends to calm people down as well.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:55 PM
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5. The officer who did the tasing had been recommended for dismissal
in an earlier incident. Sorry, I don't remember the details. Then he appealed and the dismissal was turned to a three month suspension. Anyway, he doesn't have a very good record.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:09 PM
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9. The shouted threats to tase the student if he didn't stand up seemed counter productive
to me. One, he may not have been able to stand up because of the prebious tasing. Second, shouting at someone who is scared or angry just makes things worse.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:49 PM
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3. Why has UCLA been protecting the names of the cops involved?
They had no problem releasing the students name who was assaulted, but why no mention of the police mens' names involved?

Why are the cops involved being protected?

There's no reason why these assailants should be protected.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:57 PM
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6. I think the names have come out, but I don't remember where
I saw them. One of the officers had previously been disciplined and had even been recommended for dismissal at one point.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:59 PM
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7. In other thread on this I posted link to LA Times article on tasering cop.
Previously he shot a guy and nearly got fired for choking another guy. UCLA had hired him after he was let go by Long Beach PD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2772299
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:00 PM
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8. dupe:
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