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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 03:59 PM
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Rummy's Fall on the Street Without Joy
In the two weeks since the elections, it has become obvious that there is a shift in the power base within the Executive branch, just as surely as in the House and Senate. The two most high-profile changes are the retirement of Donald Rumsfeld, and the return of James Baker III to an unofficial leadership position. These two changes are, of course, clearly related. Some journalists have reported that this relationship illustrates a shift of power away from the Office of Vice President Cheney. I would suggest that this is not necessarily true.

Another curious phenomenon is the very public "attacks" being waged by some neoconservatives against the administration, in which they attempt to distance themselves from the tragic results of the invasion of Iraq that they had advocated since the end of the first Gulf War. On one hand, we see snakes like Kenneth Adelman and Richard Perle publicly calling the war in Iraq a failure. However, from Seymour Hersch’s 11-20-06 "The Next Act," we know that VP Cheney continues to address AIPAC about his plans to advance the neoconservative agenda in regard to Iran. More, Hersch notes that the "main Middle East expert on the Vice-President’s staff is David Wurmser, a neoconservative who was a strident advocate for the invasion of Iraq and ….. (who) argue(s) that there can be no settlement that there can be no settlement of the Iraq war without regime change in Iran."

Another part of Hersch’s article that stood out was this: " …Bush and his immediate advisers in the White House understood by mid-October that Rumsfeld would have to resign if the result of the midterm election was a resounding defeat. Rumsfeld was involved in conversations about the timing of his departure with Cheney, Gates, and the President before the election…." It is safe to safe that the image that the "powers-that-be" are attempting to create publicly, are not a fair reflection of the actual shifts in power taking place behind the scenes. I thought it might be worth our while today to take a look closer at those powers that are not visible to the public.

In previous essays, I have mentioned two books that help us to understand that invisible power structure. The first is "JFK," by Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty. He notes what Winston Churchill called the "High Cabal," and which R. Buckminster Fuller described as the "invisible power structure." Prouty states, "It goes without saying that few, if any, credible historians are going to be able to name the individuals who comprise such an elite …. One of the strengths of this power elite is that they have learned to live anonymously." (page xxiii)

Oliver Stone would use Prouty’s book for parts of his movie "JFK." Prouty served as a technical adviser for the film. More, he was played by Donald Sutherland in perhaps the most important scene in the film, where as "Man X" he explains to Kevin Costner some of the financial implications of the "Cold War." Interestingly, the preface to the updated version of Prouty’s book includes a preface that notes that a 9-2-53 speech by John Foster Dulles to the American Legion Convention in St. Louis, about eight years of US involvement in the war in Vietnam. This is the war that cost $570 billion and 58,000 American lives. It’s the one that President Bush recently claimed we lost because we quit too soon.

The second book I’ve recommended is "Farewell America," by James Hepburn. By no coincidence, the book was in part the result of Jim Garrison’s search for truth in the late 1960s. The book was a best-seller in Europe, at a time when it was not available in the United States. John Kennedy did not believe in censorship; in fact, Prouty’s book opens with this 10-29-60 quote from Kennedy: "If this nation is to be wise as well as strong, if we are to achieve our destiny, then we need more new ideas for more wise men reading good books in more public libraries. These libraries should be open to all – except the censor. We must know all the facts and hear all the alternatives and listen to all the criticisms. Let us welcome controversial books and controversial authors. For the Bill of Rights is the guardian of our security, as well as our liberty."

One of the "controversial" ideas that "Farewell America" put forth was that the oil industry was the single most influential source of political and economic power in the world. Several chapters detail how oil runs the world. In fact, the authors note, even the military industrial states rely upon oil to run their "machines."

In earlier essays, I have stated that there are members of the "invisible power elite" who, from time to time, step out from behind the curtain to take political positions that make them visible. One example I’ve used of this type of person is W. Averell Harriman. A more recent one would be James Baker III. Today we will look at another: Paul Nitze.

Chris Floyd has described Nitze as "a Wall Street blue-blood turned high-level bureaucrat who served several presidents …" John Kenneth Galbraith called him "a Teutonic martinet happiest in a military hierarchy." Let’s look beneath those compliments. Nitze was born in 1907 in Massachusetts, into a family of means. His family was in Munich at the beginning of WW1, and would later write about being impressed by the German population’s patriotic preparations for the war.

In the late 1920s, Nitze worked as an investment banker for a Chicago firm. He worked in Europe. Wikipedia notes that "upon his return, he heard Clarence Dillion predict the depression and the decline of the importance of finance." Around this time, he married the daughter of a Standard Oil financier and a NYS Congresswoman.

During WW2, Nitze began working in the federal government for James Forrestal. He was instrumental in not only creating the "Cold War" political policies for the United States, but also in charting the militarization of our economy for generations to come. This combination of his influence was perhaps best outlined in the secret National Security Document (NSC-68) that set the course for the United States from the Truman administration until today.

During the Eisenhower years, he served in positions outside of the administration, both in the Foreign Service Educational Foundation, and at the Foreign Policy Research and Advanced International Studies centers at Johns Hopkins University. This is the type of moving from the executive branch to university and related positions that one might note in the gentleman being nominated to replace Donald Rumsfeld today.

Speaking of Rummy, he plays a curious role in Nitze’s career. JFK had appointed Nitze to the position of assistant secretary of defense. As such, he played a role in the formative days of the administration, as we read in Arthur Schlesinger Jr’s "A Thousand Days," but then moves to the background. During the Cuban Missile Crisis, we find that he attended numerous important meetings, but that his advice to the President is exactly the opposite of what Kennedy decides to do to resolve the conflict without war. (See: "The Kennedy Tapes"; edited by May & Zelikow;Belknap Press; 1997)

In "House of War," James Carroll notes that , Failing to grasp how he alienated Kennedy, Paul Nitze had convinced himself that he would soon be promoted to the Pentagon’s number-two job. Sure enough, it opened up, but Kennedy named Nitze instead to the post of secretary of the Navy, a position on the margins of policymaking, a clear demotion. Humiliated, Nitze complained to the president, who essentially told him to take it or leave it." Carroll tells of how Nitze accepted the demotion, and almost was not confirmed.

A new republican congressman from Illinois was looking to make a reputation by attacking Nitze during the confirmation hearings. Donald Rumsfeld accused Nitze of being an advocate of disarmament, because he had attended a National Council of Churches meeting in the past. It is not clear if Rummy knew that then-secretary of state John Foster Dulles had given the keynote speech at that meeting. Carroll writes that although Rumsfeld would later try to befriend Nitze, the "wound of the insult would never quite heal." (See pages 280-1)

Nitze would go on to serve under LBJ, and republican presidents Nixon and Reagan. He would be involve in the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks (SALT) under Nixon, and an outspoken opponent of SALT II. As such, he did not consider even attempting to reduce the economic investment that the United States had in the arms race. Instead, he sought ways to promote new and more expensive weapons systems.

And, as most people who follow politics today know, along with Dean Acheson, Nitze helped guide the careers of some of the most powerful neoconservatives of the past 30 years. People like Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz. These are the people who put in place the neocon cells in the Pentagon that have challenged CIA intelligence estimates from the Reagan years until the George W. Bush/ Dick Cheney administration.

If one believed the reports coming from the corporate media, they would be convinced that Rumsfeld was fired, despite VP Cheney’s attempts to save his job. They would believe that the neocons have jumped ship, and are the Bush administration’s harshest critics. And that, because the Iraqi experience has been such a failure, that there is no way that President Bush would even consider attacking Iran. One might even take seriously one US Senator’s statement that we need to confirm Robert Gates immediately, so that Rumsfeld will be forced out as soon as possible.

But we don’t need to believe those things. We can follow the advice of JFK, and read controversial books and articles by controversial authors. We don’t need to listen to the latest White House attack on Seymour Hersch, and we don’t need to believe a single word out of a snake like Joshua Muravichik’s mouth, when he appears on MSNBC’s Tucker show, saying we need to bomb Iran. We can instead read the background of the American Institute he promotes, and look at what group it is an off-shoot from.

And then we should use all of our resources, such as internet political discussion forums, to inform other progressives of the need to lobby the members of the House and Senate to do things such as provide intensive oversight on the administration’s activities involving Iran. And, by all means, do not confirm Robert Gates.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:02 PM
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1. Street Without Joy is one of the greatest books on Vietnam I've ever read
Coming in a close second is...er...Bernard Fall's Hell in a Very Small Place: The Siege of Dien Bien Phu

That fucker could WRITE!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:06 PM
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4. I had hoped
to pay some tribute to him by the title of this little essay. "Streets Without Joy" is, as you note, an essential book for anyone who hopes to understand Vietnam.
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hsher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:04 PM
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2. Findings like these about Nitze and Rumsfeld make me...
Indulge my most delicious secret passion... putting this on:

:tinfoilhat:

Don't get me started!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:07 PM
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6. Well, to be honest,
I hope to get you started.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:05 PM
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3. K & R.
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:06 PM
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5. Honored to give the first recommendation
Mr. Waterman, of all the many fine posts you have made here, this may be the best!

dude, I would like to see your library - it must be huge, and of course you seem to know it like the back of your hand. Do you just pluck that stuff out of your brain or are you researching all day, every day? How much time does it take to write this stuff?

I'm in over my head most of the time, but it is a genuine education to follow your reasoning.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:20 PM
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7. While I often
must seem like I'm complaining about the government, it's because I do love this country. And one thing I am the most fond of is the "free press." Now, I know that there are books like "Farewell America" that were kept out for years -- as was "In the Spirit of Crazy Horse" and a few others -- but as a general rule, if a person is motivated, they can find the most outstanding books and articles at the library, the bookstore, etc.

And, yes, I do enjoy books. I live in an old farm house, with a total of 17 rooms (including the built-on garage). There are bookcases in almost every room and hallway, and stacks of books in the two rooms without bookcases. I do not really research the things I post on DU; I do tend to "write" a rough draft in my mind. However, I'm getting old enough that sometimes I forget what book some quote I want is in.
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thingfisher Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:22 PM
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8. Great post H20!!
My trin foil hat feels more comfortable after reading you. It would be a revealing studty to trace the careers od some of these ananymous people who continue to influence policy through the decades as elected officials come and go.

I think more and more people are waking up to the fact that there is more to national politics than the punch and judy show we are treated to on national media.

I recently read a post regarding new information on the RFK assasination that implicates sveral known CIA assets who are at this time deceased (one is in his 80's). I have long held the opinion that any true picture of the events of the last half century depend on a thorough uncovering of the true facts regarding the assasinations of the 60's. Maybe time is becoming an ally in that search?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 07:13 AM
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44. One of my sons
and his friends at college watched a program about RFK earlier this week, and were asking me what I thought happened. I suggested that they read Robert Blair Kaiser's book, which provides an insider's view of what defense attorneys were working with.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:22 PM
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9. Very sad news. Seems neocons want to be forgotten but are not gone.
I sorta got that feeling yesterday when somebody posted that the DU should be a mixed board. I thought they lost..why would they still want to mess with DU discussion? Then I thought..naw...this is the same old stuff. They'll be banging at the DU door trying to allow for conservative discussion..which means disruption only..till the end of time(s).
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 07:17 AM
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45. It might be interesting
to have another forum where there could be open and civil debate between some of the people from DU and those from conservative sites. Not here, and not at their site. But at a neutral place.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:33 PM
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10. Nitze was a little off when cooking up the Soviet containment policy
http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/nit0int-7

As far back as the 1940s you believed we would eventually prevail over the Soviets because of our economic power, that they just would not be able to keep up with us. That seems to be what in fact happened, though it took a little bit longer than you might have anticipated.

Paul Nitze: Oh much longer, yes. George Kennan and I, when we were cooking up the containment policy, the question arose, "How long do you have to continue containment to make it work?" My recollection was that he thought it would take ten to 15 years. And I thought it was one or two generations. But both of us were way off. It took 40 years.

And several periods of doubling and tripling our military expenditures to make the point.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:40 PM
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12. He also advocated
an agressive policy that easily could have resulted in the use of WMD in conflicts that were otherwise resolved. The two examples that really stand out were Cuba and Berlin, during JFK's administration.

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:34 PM
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11. Truly outstanding and the best point of all
is the last paragraph. The tendency to expend the energy up-front and then fizzle on the maintenance end is what really costs us. How long have "they" been looking at Robert Gates as the Rummy panacea?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:59 PM
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15. America was truely lucky that JFK was a sane man.
Were it not for his sanity, wisdom and courage America may have been destroyed.

Now we have a Pres. that is not sane, wise or courageous. I still strongly feel that Cheney must be Impeached and then move on the GW Bush.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:01 PM
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16. Yeah.
If we look at the Cuban Missile Crisis and then think of Harry T, Ike, LBJ, or Nixon, the truth is the world would have witnessed a very ugly episode. It's not possible to say how far it would have spun out of control, but there would have been a war. Likely a nuclear war, at that.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:53 PM
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13. As Bush was walking behind Rumsfield
When he was giving the televised announcement I noted the look on both of their faces and I had a feeling it was a lie, a sham, I think rumsfield still is involved.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 04:55 PM
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14. It's kind of like
when a pitcher is taken off the mound during a baseball game.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:06 PM
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17. Thank you H2O
I love your writings and always read them...
I know it is a play for them and we are supposed to be the
gullible audience...
Not me...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:20 PM
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18. Thank you.
It is like a play for them. That was never more evident that when the president held two press conferences the day after the huge democratic election victories -- and then another the following day. They attempted to "time" the Rumsfeld thing to take attention off the democratic gains, and to make it look like George was in control.
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:27 PM
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19. To clearly understand the IRAN/IRAQ conundrum
one must read "Iraq and the International Oil System" by Stephen Pelletiere.
An ex-CIA analyst Pelletiere explains how and why the Reagan administration played both sides of the fence and then used the Halabja massacre (the Iranians via the Kurdish rebels were the first to use poison gas)to isolate Saddam for surprising them and winning the Iraq/Iran war. It's all about the oil. And like the petty thugs set up in power in half of Africa the neo-cons are merely Big Oil's and its handmaiden, the military industrial complex's useful puppets.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:35 PM
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21. Interesting.
I will look for that book. Thank you.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:27 PM
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20. I've been obsessed with Nitze for a while now.
Amazing work here.

Read Isaacson's "The Wise Men."
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:38 PM
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23. The Wise Men ....
That looks good. I haven't read it -- yet.

I was surprised to find a copy of Harriman's autobiography that I bought at a library sale last summer was autographed.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:29 PM
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25. The Wise Men
is the Rosetta Stone. Get past Isaacson's post-war fawning tone and deal with the details. If you're on this, you have to read it. Atchison is in this, too.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:53 PM
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27. I will.
I look forward to getting it. Thanks!
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:36 PM
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22. K&R: Thank you...
With every one of your essays I learn so much - and learning is my favorite occupation! It's one of the reasons I value you so highly!

Do you ever have time for fiction? Do you read science fiction? This all reminds me of Robert Heinlen's dystopic future earth of Lazarus Long & his family.

Will check back later...leaving now for dinner with the in-laws!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 05:58 PM
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24. One of the areas
where I am not well read in any sense would be fiction. Excluding the newspapers and things like Time and Newsweek, I have not read any works of fiction since high school.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:21 PM
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37. I like this line...
And so true!

"Excluding the newspapers and things like Time and Newsweek..."

I'll admit to being a wee bit surprised that there is any subject in which you are NOT well read!

I used to read a good bit of science fiction, but in the last several years I haven't had the time. Keeping up with the real world has become sci-fi made real, and takes up a lot more time than it used to!
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:48 PM
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26. I think the question of Iran is a question of sanity.
There's a reason why the neo-cons infiltrating Reagan and Poppy's administration were called "the crazies" behind their backs. Once they took the driver's seat on January 20, 2001 that reason became apparent: that's the truth, Ruth!

It is for this reason that I do not support Charles Rangel's call for a draft. I understand all the various reasons he has for making the call as he has, I think it's very appropriate to highlight the disparity between race and class differences of volunteers vs. the rest of society. But suppose "the crazies" in the executive branch call him on his bluff? That scenario may sound unrealistic, but I've learned to expect the unrealistic in the last 6 years.

Invading Iran would be crazy considering the current state of our military. With talk of increasing the number of troops in Iraq by 20,000, exactly how would someone like Wurmser of Muravichik expect "regime change" to occur? Before the 2006 election, I was pretty sure they would put heavy pressure on Iran through the UN, just like they did to Iraq in 2002 leading up to that midterm election. But I was very surprised that when Iran decided to restart enriching uranium in October, there was barely a murmur. So, are they gaining sanity or is there more method to their madness? That's a rhetorical question. They know what they're doing runs contrary to the wishes of the populace they claim elected them. It's just that, as Cheney said, "it doesn't matter".
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:55 PM
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28. The beginning of Hersch's
new article tells of VP Cheney talking about how they can get around any Congressional oversight. That is, as we know, exactly what the Iran-Contra scandals were all about. Gates was part of that. And that is one reason he is being brought back, to relieve Rumsfeld on the pitcher's mound.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:24 PM
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30. That was a very good article.
And it helped clarify my bewilderment over why they didn't ramp up the war rhetoric or push for an IWR for Iran like they did for Iraq in October of 2002. They're looking for a loophole instead of a frontal assault. They don't even have to tie it to IWR, they can just say go back to 9/11 and say it's part of the "War on Terror".

You're right about Gates being a relief pitcher. It's just that all the Goose Gossages in the world can't stop the insurgent offense.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:27 PM
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31. Happen to have a link handy? I love Hersch but missed it.
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 07:27 PM by BelgianMadCow
Thanks in advance.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:36 PM
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33. Google wasmy friend - link
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:05 PM
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35. Yeah, that's the one.
Hersh is always good IMO, but this one's very good.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:31 PM
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32. One part we should
be lobbying Congress about is this:

"... as the result of a systematic push by Rumsfeld, military covert actions have been substantially increased. In the past six months, Israel and the United States have been working together in support of a Kurdish resistance group ....The group has been conducting clandestine cross-border forays into Iran .... The group has also been given 'a list of targets inside Iran of interest to the US'."

Sounds more than a little like the Contras, doesn't it?
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:15 PM
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36. Oh yes! Hersh caught this development from the beginning.
From June 21, 2004:

PLAN B
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
As June 30th approaches, Israel looks to the Kurds.

snip

Israeli intelligence and military operatives are now quietly at work in Kurdistan, providing training for Kurdish commando units and, most important in Israel’s view, running covert operations inside Kurdish areas of Iran and Syria. Israel feels particularly threatened by Iran, whose position in the region has been strengthened by the war. The Israeli operatives include members of the Mossad, Israel’s clandestine foreign-intelligence service, who work undercover in Kurdistan as businessmen and, in some cases, do not carry Israeli passports.

Asked to comment, Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, said, “The story is simply untrue and the relevant governments know it’s untrue.” Kurdish officials declined to comment, as did a spokesman for the State Department.

However, a senior C.I.A. official acknowledged in an interview last week that the Israelis were indeed operating in Kurdistan. He told me that the Israelis felt that they had little choice: “They think they have to be there.” Asked whether the Israelis had sought approval from Washington, the official laughed and said, “Do you know anybody who can tell the Israelis what to do? They’re always going to do what is in their best interest.” The C.I.A. official added that the Israeli presence was widely known in the American intelligence community.

The Israeli decision to seek a bigger foothold in Kurdistan—characterized by the former Israeli intelligence officer as “Plan B”—has also raised tensions between Israel and Turkey. It has provoked bitter statements from Turkish politicians and, in a major regional shift, a new alliance among Iran, Syria, and Turkey, all of which have significant Kurdish minorities. In early June, Intel Brief, a privately circulated intelligence newsletter produced by Vincent Cannistraro, a retired C.I.A. counterterrorism chief, and Philip Giraldi, who served as the C.I.A.’s deputy chief of base in Istanbul in the late nineteen-eighties, said:

Turkish sources confidentially report that the Turks are increasingly concerned by the expanding Israeli presence in Kurdistan and alleged encouragement of Kurdish ambitions to create an independent state. . . . The Turks note that the large Israeli intelligence operations in Northern Iraq incorporate anti-Syrian and anti-Iranian activity, including support to Iranian and Syrian Kurds who are in opposition to their respective governments.

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/040628fa_fact?fact/040628fa_fact

I'm sure that in 2 years time, this "arrangement" has only intensified.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:14 PM
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29. Very important points regarding oversight on Iran and confirmation of Gates
bookmarked and recommended.

These are some valuable points to be pressing with congress right now.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 07:29 AM
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46. The Hersch article
notes that some of the administration's "activities, if they are considered military rather than intelligence operations, do not require congressional briefings. For a similar CIA operation, the President would, by law, have to issue a formal finding that the mission was necessary, and the Administration would have to brief the senior leadership of the House and the Senate. The lack of such consultation annoyed some Democrats in Congress."

He makes clear that VP Cheney has plans to avoid Congressional oversight. We are entering a new phase, not unlike those from the Nixon and Reagan-Bush1 years. And you are absolutely correct that ordinary citizens must lobby their elected officials in the House and Senate. We should also be making creative use of the non-creative corporate media, in order to let the public at large know what is going on in Iran.

One might think the neocon/AIPAC espionage scandal is involved in some manner.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 05:48 PM
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51. Plans to avoid oversight
that seems very likely given the past history of this bunch...fortunately the american public has given some tenacious people like John Conyers a clear mandate to counter this. The way the system works however, it is likely that the plans or actions can only be discovered after the fact due to stonewalling, which makes time of the essence in these matters.
I sure hope neither we nor the dems in important chair positions wait for January to start the chase.

The nomination of Gates is ominous in this respect as well. To be honest, I think the Hersch article kind of bristled by the figure of Gates without putting him into the context where he belongs.

As to the neocon/AIPAC scandal I have to confess I am not up to speed with that at all.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:59 PM
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34. Have you ever watched this video?
Robert Newman's History of Oil - http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/oil/oil1.html

I found this earlier this year and tho fascinated by it, I lack the time to explore the points he makes. Robert is a Brit with a mission to inform the masses (in a deceptively entertaining way) of the deadly history of oil over the past 100 years.

First interesting point he makes and what induced me to watch all 45 minutes was his assertion that WWI should really be taught in schools as 'AN INVASION OF IRAQ'. And, towards the end, he touches on the Iraqi decision of 10/2000 to change from dollars to euros... As a possible reason we are in Iraq, it makes as much sense as any I have read.

If you have time, would be interested in your take on this.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 07:31 AM
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47. I have not -- yet.
Edited on Wed Nov-22-06 07:33 AM by H2O Man
But I will.

I think that "Farewell America" is on-line, though I do not have a link. The chapters on oil are important. I think they confirm what you mention.

The book is actually a combination of some foreign intelligence, and the Moynihan study. I strongly recommend it.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 08:10 AM
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49. Online version link
http://www.jfk-online.com/farewell00.html

Thanks for the info. Will give it a look.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:48 PM
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38. A damnmen!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:30 PM
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39. K&R for an informative post and discussion.
Thanks!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:50 PM
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40. K&R
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 11:07 PM
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41. Robert Gates will be confirmed.
Much ballyhoo about Poppy to the rescue of his errant son and his misdeeds. Much sleight of hand going on.

How many members of Congress, even if your cogent and persuasive post were set before them, how many of them have the intestinal fortitude and even minimum intellect to understand what the nature of the beast is in Gates' appointment and act accordingly?

As long as the dirty deeds are done behind the scene, it's wink-wink-nudge-nudge and business as usual.

It's worth fighting against Gates, but my expectation is we shall receive the usual drivel from our government, followed by severe disappointment, culminating in bitter reality.

==========

Excellent summation, as always, H20 Man. :thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 06:32 AM
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43. I would expect
that Gates will be confirmed. I was surprised at how a few democrats seemed to welcome him as a good alternative to Rumsfeld. I think they need to hear from people at the grass roots.

What I find interesting is that Chris Matthews has said that there are some democrats who are organizing to contest his being confirmed.
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SpongeBob Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:33 AM
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42. We need too to listen to the WH attacks on Hirsch - they point to his
accuracy and importance (only people like Clarke and Wilson got this treatment - and Hirsch's was actually nore of a VIP: he earned a PREEMPTIVE discrediting)
And as for Rummy becoming a shadow player, isn't that the same thing they did with Pearle? Fits the MO.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 07:38 AM
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48. Shortly before
the election, the White House machine started the "Hersch hates the troops" horseshit. He did a fine job of responding to their taking one sentence out of the context of an entire speech given in Canada. But I think that you are correct that the attacks will increase. Probably soon.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-22-06 12:46 PM
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50. By Any Other Name
Rummy: A weird, dangerous guy who is/was drunk with power yet thought/thinks he was a card.

rum·my 1 Pronunciation (rm)
n.
A card game, played in many variations, in which the object is to obtain sets of three or more cards of the same rank or suit.


rum·my 2 Pronunciation (rm)
n. pl. rum·mies Slang
A drunkard.


rum·my 3 Pronunciation (rm)
adj. rum·mi·er, rum·mi·est Chiefly British
Odd, strange, or dangerous; rum.
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