Please, everyone, stop with the "where were you" threads. We all know what today is

[ComerPerro]

I don't really see why we need to have this conversation here multiple times every year.

To illustrate my point, here are some threads from this current year about 11/22/63:

Where were you when Kennedy was killed?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2782797

November 22, 1963
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2780392

I was twelve when they murdered the President
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2781493




But its not just this year. We had these same conversations last year:

November 22, 1963
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5425685

November 22, 1963
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5435975

11/22/63. Where were you?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5433665

November 22, 1963
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5427988

November 22, 1963. Where were you?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5431280

November 22, 1963
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5429164



And the year before, and the year before. Go ahead, search the archives, you'll be surprised.



There is a certain line where mourning becomes less about the individual and more about self importance. Its bad enough that the mainstream media perpetuates this every year.

Do we really need to beat a dead horse here?


Furthermore, I think its safe to say that we can pretty well document with pinpoint accuracy the locations and actions of a large share of DUers on a certain November morning in 1963...

[Mythsaje]

1. I didn't exist...

And I think my father was most likely in Nam. Or had just returned.

[MsAnthropy]

2. Second that!

[AnnieBW]

20. Neither did I

Only my dad wasn't in Vietnam. He was teaching in an inner-city school after getting his degree thanks to the GI Bill.

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. Not fair to new Duers, tho, who haven't had a chance to have their say

[ComerPerro]

4. look at the links, you will find the same people posting the same stories each year

[Make7]

5. Use the HIDE THREAD feature. ( n/t )

[ComerPerro]

6. I am just asking people to, at the very least, find one thread and post in it

Besides, excessive dupe threads aren't allowed here anyway.

[Make7]

11. I see two threads on the first page of GD.

It's becoming difficult to discuss anything else.

- Make7

[MADem]

17. Well, that rule isn't enforced when it comes to opinions. It's only dupes of articles that get the

axe/lock or combining treatment.

Who designates the "one thread?" Most people don't go past the first page. You aren't going to be successful trying to control this behavior. The Hide Thread feature is a stress reducer.

[LSK]

85. are you new here? threads can fly off page one really fast

[bianca2001]

21. SAD

IT'S SAD THAT WE EUROPEANS REVERE THE MEMORY OF JOHN F. KENNEDY MORE

THAN SOME AMERICANS.........

[Trajan]

7. Ah ... restriction of free speech ....

And you are the DU mamma ? ...

[ComerPerro]

10. Yeah, I am a Nazi fascist because I think self-important copycat threads are unnecessary

[AIJ Alom]

8. Yeah, well where were you, when they were talking about 1963 ?

j/k

Frankly, I like the discussions about the period. I was born in 1978 and have an open ear and open mind, and when I don't want to, I simply ignore the thread.

[ComerPerro]

12. hell, which time?

[dailykoff]

9. It's important to remember!

I love these threads! Everybody's story is unique and it means a lot to read them. Personally I don't have one but I really enjoy these others.

[Pat Speer]

18. What we can do about it

A few years back I began studying the case in detail. I am now as much an authority on the medical evidence as anyone, which is to say I know a heck of a lot but not enough. Even so, my frustration with the official story knows no bounds. As a result I put together this video on the President's head wounds with a video producer friend. Included is footage of the famous pathologist Michael Baden testifying before congress with his exhibit upside down!!!

Here's the link:

http://www.noisivision.com/JFK.htm

Here's a link to my webpage:http://homepage.mac.com/bkohley/Menu18.html
JFK: A New Perspective (2006) Main Menu

[lse7581011]

22. I Agree

Seeing the event through other's memories allows me to put an event I don't personally remember into perspective! I say don't stifle anyone's comments! JMO

[williesgirl]

13. You know you can just not click on them instead of ranting. Happy Thanksgiving.

[MADem]

14. Hide the thread, then. As long as people live who remember, this will happen. AND, if you don't

like this, you'll want to stay off line when September 11 rolls around every year, too.

You're probably safe when it comes to the Lincoln assassination, and we probably won't be seeing a plethora of REMEMBER THE MAINE threads either...or many on the Death of FDR either.

But MLK? RFK? When you hit even-numbered anniversaries, these too will get greater play. 2008 is just around the corner.

You can't stop the deluge, people resent you if you try, and the mods are disinclined to combine threads with similar topics. Thus, that HIDE THREAD thing works wonders.

[Webster Green]

15. Where was Poppy Bush?

I bet that mutherfucker was a busy little fascist.

[thingfisher]

33. Poppy is one of the few

who DON'T REMEMBER where he was on that day. That's Mr. George Bush of the CIA.

[ComerPerro]

39. Now his is acutally one of the few "where were you" stories I would like to hear

[newscott]

16. I was a mere 363 days from arrival.

[truebrit71]

19. Use the HIDE THREAD button....and let everyone else remember....

..okay?

What a fucking thoughtless, tasteless post this is....

Don't want to see it?


HIDE IT.... :eyes:

[ComerPerro]

40. My post is tasteless? Bullshit. I say all the "where were you" posts are

"Sure, a man was murdered. Big deal. I wanna talk about me and where I was"

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

23. How can you see those threads...

...with your head up your ass?

[Bjornsdotter]

24. This is the first thread I've seen about it n/t

[Minnesota_Lib]

25. Does any one remember where they were on 5/20/80? I was in line for the Empire Strikes Back opening

It was an unusually hot day that belied the ominously darking overcast sky. My bag of gummy-bears began to coagulate under the onslaught of the dank humidity as I stood, awash with anticipation, in the seemingly endless and winding line of nerdy humanity ......

Just kidding... :)

[ComerPerro]

38. Cool. Lets spam GD with fifteen threads about it

[GymGeekAus]

26. Yeah. It's Wednesday.

Geez. Let people have their conversations, share their memories, and reflect on what might have been.

Nobody is requiring that you participate in any of those processes.

[slackmaster]

27. I was sitting RIGHT HERE at my desk at work

When I read this thread.

[bobbolink]

28. Rather than muzzling people, use the HIDE THREAD function.

Not everyone feels the same way you do.

Or, to phrase it the way you did, stop bossing people.

See, it doesn't sound so good when directed torward you, eh?

[VOX]

29. Frankly, who the hell asked you? Are you the Memory & Mourning Polizei?

If you don't like the JFK threads, just hit HIDE THREAD.

Don't call out your fellow DUers on a day that still has great emotional and historical significance. Let us do as we wish.

Really, you're an old-time DUer, CA -- can't you live-and-let-live on this one?

Peace --

[Forrest Greene]

30. I Agree

If you don't like it, don't read it. Happy to have bugged you!

[VOX]

32. Hey, Forrest -- welcome to DU!

Like the HDT quote in your sig line!

Cheers -- :toast:

[ComerPerro]

37. None of the threads are bout JFK. Its just selfish posters

trying to make the JFK tragedy about them, and not about the man.

"Well, for some additional insight, let me tell you where I was that day..."

Nobody gives a fuck, get over yourself.

Mourn the man, fine, but don't use it as an excuse to talk about yourself.

[scarletwoman]

61. Get over your OWN damn self. Why should anyone care about what annoys YOU?

Who the hell are YOU to take it upon yourself to judge the worthiness of how other people choose to discuss one of the most traumatic events in modern history?

Remove the beam from thine own eye first, and all that...

Sheesh... :eyes:

sw

[ComerPerro]

67. Mine was an appeal for people to stop pretending they give a shit

[scarletwoman]

72. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I've read every single post in the 3 threads you cited, and it's obvious to me that most of the people posting in those threads very much DO "give a shit".

I was 14 when JFK was assassinated; it was an indelible and traumatic experience, as it obviously was for many many other DUers. I very much "give a shit" -- as do many others. Reading about other peoples' experiences of that day is both fascinating and enlightening to me.

No one is demanding that YOU give a shit, so I really don't get what your beef is. Read the Kramer or OJ threads instead, if the JFK threads offend you so.

sw

[ComerPerro]

73. oh, I am not popular in those threads either

I commented to someone else about this though:

Do you know this is my first posting (that I am aware of) to ever make it to the greatest page?

Crazy, isn't it?

Talk about negative reinforcement, LOL

[scarletwoman]

74. See, I wouldn't know whether or not you are "popular" in those other threads, because

I haven't bothered to read them -- since they don't particularily interest me.

Unlike you, however, I don't start a whole new thread in order to complain that people are posting threads that don't interest me.

sw

[T Town Jake]

77. That post is exactly right regarding the matter, from beginning to end.

:thumbsup:

[WilliamPitt]

31. Weirdest. Board-Nanny thread. Ever.

:shaking head:

[H2O Man]

35. "

[ecstatic]

45. ROFL - "board-nanny thread" nt

:rofl:

[proud2BlibKansan]

55. LOL!

:rofl:

[Laurab]

66. !! n/t

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

34. Where were you...

...when this thread was posted?


I was at work, fighting with an installation of Microsoft's latest opus, Windows Vista.

[zreosumgame]

36. where were YOU when the where were you threads died?

[dollydew]

41. Where you threads

Excuse me, but when did you get to decide what parts of history we should remember or commemorate and for how long? I was alive at the time. I take umbrage at your telling me when and how my remembrance should begin or end. Many DUers where not born at the time? Do you know? Who are you to say when remembrance begins or ends? If you don't like it, don't read the threads. Nuff said.

[dollydew]

42. where were you threads oops should have been the subject

n/t

[ComerPerro]

43. so maybe I will post similar threads to this about five or six times, what do you say?

[ecstatic]

44. I was half egg/half sperm at the time

Oh wait, at what age do women start producing eggs and men sperm? It's possible that I didn't exist in any shape or form at the time, as my parents were both around 8 yrs of age. hehe

[k_jerome]

46. please let us all know what subjects to post on and how many times to do so. nt.

[ComerPerro]

47. Fine. Fuck civility. Fuck checking for dupes. just wait...

[k_jerome]

48. thats a very limited number of subjects. nt.

[lse7581011]

56. As They Say....

put on your big girl panties and deal with it!

[entanglement]

49. Where were you

when I tried to stop 'Where were you when Kennedy was killed' threads? :evilgrin:

[ComerPerro]

50. did you catch this much shit for it?

[tritsofme]

51. Jack Kennedy was an inspiration to a generation

Many people here can't help but remember him and the idealism he represented.

Revisiting his death once a year doesn't sound like that great of a catastrophe to me.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

83. It was like a member of my family being killed

I'll never stop thinking of those who were close to me and who have left. Kennedy WAS inspirational and a great number of Americans had a deep affection for him.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. There is this feature called "HIDE THREAD"

Maybe because you weren't alive in 1963? This is a big deal, it was a HUGE deal for many of us who can remember when it happened and it is a crime that is still unsolved.

When you are our age you will see people talking about 9/11 every year with the same passion you see here about the Kennedy assassination today.

There are only 2 times in my life where stuff happened that even 40+ years later, Americans remember exactly where they were and what they were doing at the time - the Kennedy assassination and 9/11. For many of us here in KC, the Hyatt tragedy is a third event like that.

It's History, Comer. Yes, it is important. We had a hugely popular president (the last one in my lifetime) and he was murdered while hundreds of thousands of us were watching. We then saw the country change, and not for the better. And 40+ years later, we still don't know who killed him.

[ComerPerro]

69. proud, does it have to be re-hashed every damn year? and, moreover

each time it is brought up, do we have to act like this is the first time anyone has had this discussion?

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. It IS the first time for some people, Comer

In my classroom I have been repeating a lot of the same shit for 27 years now. And I have to act as interested as I was the first time. So repetition doesn't bother me much.

I understand your frustration. Really. I just don't share it. And I would be VERY concerned if we did NOT talk about this every year.

Have you seen this yet? Very fascinating.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9137354720737304741&q=jfk

Nixon and Bush Sr don't remember where they were when JFK was killed. I was fricking 10 years old and I remember it like it happened yesterday. hmmm Kind of puts a new twist on the where were you on 11/22/63 stories, eh?

[T Town Jake]

53. I don't mind the threads so much - I mind the ghoulishness...

...of those who act like this is Good Friday, and go insane with anger when one (gently) points out that if John F. Kennedy were here to tell us what we should do on this day, the anniversary of his death, he'd probably laugh and tell us to all go out, get a beer, and live our lives.

**************UNFORTUNATELY NECESSARY DISCLAIMER*************************

I admire President Kennedy; I think his assassination was a pivotal point in late 20th century American history; I wish he could have gone on to complete two terms; I believe he did many good things during the short time in office he had.

but-

He was - besides being a hawkish, dedicated Cold Warrior - a *moderate* domestic liberal in the 1963 America sense - not the 2006 DU sense. And were he posting on this fine forum today, with the views he held regarding just about everything at the time of his death, he'd be flamed to cinders. And the honest among you know that to be true.

[proud2BlibKansan]

58. He wasn't as hawkish as LBJ

JFK was supposedly determined to pull our troops out of Vietnam in early 1964.

[T Town Jake]

62. Coulda fooled me. Him, too, by the sound of it:

"It shall be the policy of this Nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union (emphasis added).
...But it is difficult to settle or even discuss these problems in an atmosphere of intimidation. That is why this latest Soviet threat -- or any other threat which is made either independently or in response to our actions this week-- must and will be met with determination.
Any hostile move anywhere in the world against the safety and freedom of peoples to whom we are committed, including in particular the brave people of West Berlin, will be met by whatever action is needed" (emphasis added).
"...The path we have chosen for the present is full of hazards, as all paths are; but it is the one most consistent with our character and courage as a nation and our commitments around the world. The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender or submission..."

-President John F. Kennedy, October 22, 1962

Pretty durn Hawkish, if you ask me...

On edit: fixed tags.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. That was 1962

I have heard for years now (I believe my dad first mentioned this to me in 1964 or so) that in November 1963, JFK was determined to end our involvement in Vietnam. That is one theory explaining why he was killed.

[T Town Jake]

76. How odd: the man himself (JFK) seems, again to disagree with what you've "heard":

"All we can do is help, and we are making it very clear. But I don't agree with those who say we should withdraw. That would be a great mistake. I know people don't like Americans to be engaged in this kind of an effort. Forty-seven Americans have been killed in combat with the enemy, but this is a very important struggle even though it is far away.

"We took all this--made this effort to defend Europe. Now Europe is quite secure. We also have to participate--we may not like it--in the defense of Asia"

-President Kennedy to Walter Cronkite, September 25, 1963

He is referring in that interview to Vietnam. Less than two months before his trip to Dallas.

Come again with what whoever it was "heard"?

JKF himself seems pretty clear in his intentions - despite what others in 2006 might want to "absolve" him of. He was a HAWK on Vietnam right up until the day he died, by all the historical evidence, plain and simple.

[proud2BlibKansan]

79. I would agree he was a war hawk for most of his presidency

I am just telling you (maybe I didn't make myself clear - sorry) that a theory as to why he was killed is he wanted to pull the troops out of Vietnam. He supposedly had a change of heart shortly before he was killed.

[stevedeshazer]

54. Grow up.

Really. Your ass is showing.

[Swede]

57. Comerperro the "where were you....." is a cultural thing.

Everyone know's where they were on that day,remembers it clearly. It is a connection when you ask someone else.

[DemBones DemBones]

59. So, where were YOU? Were you alive then?

Just curious. 11/22 changed everything.

[byronius]

60. Hell, Dead-Horse-Beatin' is what politics is all about.

That JFK fellah sure packs a mean meme. His brother even a bigger one. Those memes trigger up certain ethical statements of the highest order, containing not only the history but also the historical meaning juxtaposed with current history. They were thinking, feeling, ethical men. Rare in the game, at that level.

Let's beat the hell out of that dead horse. Maybe it'll get up and walk again. I love that old horse. Dammit.

I'm not sayin', I'm just hopin'.

[hvn_nbr_2]

63. Yeah, and while we're at it...

why don't we just skip all the "DU vets check in" every Memorial Day and Veterans Day. And forget all those repetitious "what I'm thankful for" threads. Not to mention all the holiday greetings. Sheesh, those holidays happen every year. Why do we need to keep celebrating every damn year.

[ComerPerro]

70. just out of curiosity, isn't it odd that my only post to get "greatest" votes

pretty much ever, in the history of DU, is flamebait?

WTF is up with that?

LMAO


I made it to the big show!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

64. Wait A Minute. So Out Of Several Hundred Active Threads, There Were Three On This, And That Offends

you?

That shows an obvious motive of not being about redundancy, but instead being about you being bitter because you feel left out by not being able to relate to nor engage with the true real life experience of it since you weren't around. That's what this is about. It's about you being bitter over not being part of that time and not being able to contribute thoughtfully to the feelings of it. It is a generation jealously, so to speak. That's what your OP blatantly shows me anyway, or what I took from it. Cause if you are that offended, upset, outraged etc over three out of several hundred threads, then the problem isn't with the redundancy or even what you call self serving intentions. The problem is with the topic itself, because it's one you can't relate to and feel emptiness with.

That's my assessment of your OP. To me it wasn't saying "Hey, the whole GD page is filled up with JFK threads!". No. Instead, it was screaming out "Hey all you baby boomers, you ain't special just cause you were around when JFK was shot! If I can't be special by remembering that day why do you get to feel special! You're not special, you're just old and I'm not!". That's the crying I hear in this OP. That isn't meant as an attack either by the way. It is just my honest psych eval opinion of what the root of this OP was.

So fret not. No one is saying they're special and you're not. They just simply have something to share about how they felt when a Democratic icon was assassinated and are sharing it on a Democratic message board. It's ok CP. Seriously, it's Ooooo kkkkkk.

[ComerPerro]

68. yeah, that's it. I am jealous. you got me. Teach me to be like you guys

you know, the generation that sold out all its values in the 1980s and elected Ronald Reagan twice. TWICE!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

78. You Just Proved It With Your Bitterness In That Reply. You Realize That Right? Oh, I Was 6 In 1980

I wasn't around when JFK was assassinated either. I'm just not bitter towards others for it.

[buddysmellgood]

75. Where were you when people first started asking, "Where were you?"?

If you don't like the post, don't respond. It's silly to ask people not to discuss history.

[WinstonSmith4740]

80. Yeah, we do have to talk about it.

I don't know if you were around then Comer, but that was a huge day in the lives of everyone back then. I'm sure if you asked any member of my dad's generation what they were doing when they heard about Pearl Harbor, they could tell you. I can't remember a whole lot of detail about my sophomore year of high school, but I can sure as hell remember every detail of that hour. You probably can't get your mind around this, but it has kind of a unifying effect...it's the one thing we all have in common. Hell, there are folks who still go to the grassy knoll every year. You've got to realize, this man was shot down in the street like a mad dog, in front of thousands of people, and we still don't know who was responsible. (Well, we really do.) I didn't believe the Warren Report when I was 16, and I don't believe it now. My childhood died that day, and a part of this country did, too. Kennedy was no choir boy. He had his dark side, and I'm not talking about sex here. But this country just had a different "feel" back then...kinder, WAY more civil. Much, much smarter. Maybe this'll help explain it to you...when the movie "JFK" came out, I dragged my husband to it. (He believed the Warren Report.) While we were waiting in line, we struck up a conversation with a couple who were about my parents' age. They asked us which movie we were seeing, and when I told them, the woman's face darkened and fell. She shook her head sadly and said, "This country has never been the same since that day."

We mourn our lost country, and it's lost potential, Comer. We need to commemorate this day. We, as a people, can't afford to forget this day, and what it means. We need to keep it alive for future generations. People need to understand that there were, and still are, forces in this country that not only will not hesitate to assassinate foreign leaders they don't like, they'll kill ours, too. Give us our one day a year.

Peace.:hippie:

[Sparkly]

81. If people want to "gather" every year and recall it together, I say FINE.

In fact, I think that's the idea of the eternal flame.

Why spend energy trying to tamp it out? :shrug:

[smalll]

82. I'm on your side, along with the rest of us non-oldsters -

Not that young here - I don't wear flip-flops in the wintertime, I've never had a tattoo, I don't have an ipod, and even if I did, I'd have no idea how to load songs onto it. I'm not on myspace, I don't text with my thumb, and I even remember cassette tapes. But this thread makes me feel YOUNG!

Thank you! :applause:

[KharmaTrain]

84. Sure As Hell Was Better Than the Impeachement & Draft Threads

At least there was no fighting or name calling.

The marvel of DU...if you don't like a thread, move along, there are dozens of them that pop up all the time.