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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:35 AM
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One Option to the War that is never mentioned
We Apologize.. We turn over the current administration to International community (court) and Apologize to the World and to Iraq and ask for the world to come together without US interference to solve the iraqi Problem. We throw ourselves on the mercy of the court so to speak and ask for help. But most important we hold those responsible accountable by surrendering them to the International Court....America's soul might be saved but if we continue on we are indeed doomed in world opinion.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:38 AM
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1. I am with you, but the squatter in chief is still thinking he is on the right track. nt
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:39 AM
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2. we can do that
after we have Bush and Cheney in manacles
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:40 AM
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3. k and r. That's
my dream, but I know that will never happen .
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Tommy_J Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:41 AM
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4. Step one is

Revealing the truth about how the war started and why


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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:43 AM
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5. Diplomacy? Communication? Compromise? Humility? How dare you
suggest any alternatives to war that would actually work.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:46 AM
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6. And then they sue us into oblivion.
I'm just mentioning that the war reparations we owe that country should be heavily punitive, to discourage the concept of pre-emptive war.

Feel like paying that in addition to the interest on the debt Mr. FreeSpender has already committed us to?

Apologies tend to come when the option to sue is more reasonably off the table...say in one or two hundred years.

We owe them big. But nothing we do will be accepted. Whatever we build will be dynamited, probably with explosives from those ammo dumps we left unguarded while we patrolled the oil ministry.

The oil pipeline we were protecting is now toast according to Turkey.

Nothing will be repaired until we are GONE.

We have to go. We are staying only to avoid humiliation. That is not a good reason.

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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:52 AM
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8. I agree, but reparations money should be postponed for several years at least
...because at this point who get's the money? A U.S. puppet governement? Plus that money might just get used to fund one half of a civil war.

I think that after a valid government is set up at the country is stablized, then pay. But pay WE must.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 11:52 AM
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7. Apologize, leave, and throw money over our shoulders...
Confiscatory retrocative and future taxes on US war profiteers (Poppy? Dick? Can YOU hear us NOW?) could make a huge dent in the rebuilding process.

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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:07 PM
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9. I agree...
We have to do that, as well as investigations, impeachment, and probably in the end, reparations. The world will never believe us, trust us, or forgive us if we don't. And WE will never get past it until we face it and take responsibility for our actions. We can't just 'change course' and act like everything else is ok afterward.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:23 PM
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10. Agree.
As part of the apology:

*Dedicate the Green Zone Palaces as Museums of Iraqi History, Culture, and Art.

*Expell ALL US & Global Corporations installed since the invasion. Void ALL contracts, and declare Null & Void ALL monies owed to these corporations. Return ALL Iraqi assets to the Iraqis.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 12:26 PM
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11. Corporations don't apologize.
Maybe your idea would work. But the problem is the driving potential behind why we're there in the first place. And we're not the only country doing it. The oil companies are killing in huge numbers in Darfur. And it's in the name of people all over the world, asking for fuel. So how an international court can function when they are a small isolated group of people surrounded by those who are causing the problem, is hard for me to see. If that makes sense.


It would be nice if those running the companies were kind. But the larger the company, the smaller the human voice becomes. Even if the CEO's didn't like the idea of running Iraqis or Darfurians off of their own land by force, it happens. And it happens because we are implicitly asking them to do it. We ask every time we fill up our tank. Everything we do is tied to fuel.

It stops when we stop. And that is either advances in technology, or changing our lifestyle. They will stop when they have to stop.

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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:02 PM
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12. The first step to this is impeachment
Then we can turn the whole fucking bunch over the world court.

Actually, we can't. Under this regime we didn't sign on to the ICC. That said, since they've established the precedent of making laws retroactive, the new leadership of our country can retroactively sign on to the ICC.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 01:13 PM
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13. I gotta love the part where the war-criminals go on trial. justice is sweet
will it be like Nuremberg? the shrub wanted military style courts for detainees in Cuba, so he must think they'll be ok for him, right? equal justice under law, right?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 02:34 PM
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14. You're right, but there are two of us - the people who want to
get along and allow the people of each country to own their own country.

And those who want to own us and them.

They don't seem to have consciences.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-23-06 08:18 PM
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15. I think that by IMMEDIATELY investgating the
LIES that * and cheney used to get us into this war, we can impeach and face the world with an apology and restitution.

Peace takes courage.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 05:28 AM
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16. I thought for sure this post was about giving Saddam back his job
Which would be the easiest, fairest and most sensible option there is.

Unless you're an American, than its "unthinkable".
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 10:36 AM
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17. The people who won't apologize
are those responsible, those who supported Bush strongly, those who are brain-tied to the tube and soppy newspapers. The "we" you are talking about could do it without them, but because of the power of those most responsible "we" won't get the chance. That power over the institutions, the minds and hearts must be ended first.

The intention is perfect. You will find that getting anyone together on handing over our crooks or evenm apologizing is a mountainous endeavor before we even offer that noble gesture to the wounded global community. This nation, as a whole, is Saul on the road to Damscus to arrest more Christians. If there HAS been a conversion, it is still in the blinding, questioning stage. The best part of America is receptive and there but the entire national body is still slipping of the horse.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 10:40 AM
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18. Yep. And we need to get in there, ask them what they need, and do it.
Humble service instead of domination might fix the picture.

Then again, with the amount of money involved, hard luck for this to replace the opportunists. Unless we work for it. It's another problem to fix, the start-up companies that are created to absorb "help" funds directed to other countries.
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-24-06 11:11 AM
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19. Spoken by President Pelosi after Bush/Cheney impeached?
Obviously Bush would never make such an apology, so impeachment would be required for anything like that to happen. But even Pelosi wouldn't make such an apology. She wouldn't take such a risk of political suicide for herself and her party.
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