"My son is an honest man"

[hfojvt]

George, no, your son is a serial liar. Tens of millions of Americans know this, and we do not respect your son either.

I wrote this in March of 2004, although this is only a snip. To me these are very clear lies which any mathematician, accountant or economist can verify that your son is lying.

"In January of 2003, George W. Bush proposed another set of tax cuts, and, as before, he used lies and misinformation to promote them. In the 2003 State of the Union, the President said:

"The tax relief is for everyone who pays income taxes -- and it will help our economy immediately: 92 million Americans will keep, this year, an average of almost $1,000 more of their own money. A family of four with an income of $40,000 would see their federal income taxes fall from $1,178 to $45 per year. (Applause.) Our plan will improve the bottom line for more than 23 million small businesses." Jan. 28, 2003

In the first place, it is wrong to say that the 2003 tax cut was for everyone who pays income taxes. In 2002, on income of $10,198.47 (after my IRA deduction of $2659.10), I paid income taxes of $249. Now that the tax cuts have passed, for the same taxable income, the tax liability for 2003 is $249 (in fairness, I must note that the standard deduction went up by $50 and the exemption also went up by $50 which would reduce my tax liability by $10, but I do not believe those increases were part of the tax cut. For one thing, the standard deduction went up by $100 the year before.) Also please note that, thanks to Bush's tax cut, I am paying 5 times as much in taxes as a family of four with almost 4 times my income.

Once again, note President Bush's use of averages, a deceptive strategy to divert attention away from distribution. One part of the distribution was removing taxes on dividend income:

"Our proposal will promote capital formation and investment by ending the unfair double taxation on dividends. (Applause.) Not only will this proposal help when it comes for job creation, it will help all investors, including nearly 10 million seniors who receive dividend income." Feb 7, 2003

President Bush claimed to be concerned about how unfair it was to tax dividends twice. Does he feel that it is unfair to tax the same money twice? I cannot say, but I can point to an example. In 2001, my wages were $10,198.29. Out of that income, $780 was taxed away in FICA taxes, otherwise known as payroll taxes or social security and medicare. I never saw that money, never got to spend or save that money, it went straight to Washington DC. Still, the IRS considers it part of my income, which meant that I still paid income taxes on it, to the tune of $78 (more than a family of four now pays on their entire $40,000 income!) I paid taxes on my taxes. If President Bush really was concerned about the unfairness of double taxation, why has he said nothing about this very common form of double taxation? I can only conclude that George W. Bush was lying when he complained about the unfairness of double taxation.

Could it be that the President did not know about the double taxation of wages? Well, the Center of Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) posted a report which was revised on Jan. 11, 2003, which said:
"Moreover, many forms of income are taxed more than once. An obvious example is wages. While corporate dividends are theoretically double taxed first at the corporate level and then at the individual level, an individual’s wages are immediately subject to both payroll and income taxes.""

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George W. Bush has produced a veritable tsunami of lies about tax cuts alone. He has flown around the country at taxpayer expense, telling the same lies at every stop.

"Next week, I will travel to New Mexico, Nebraska and Indiana to address the nation's hardworking, small business owners, families and investors. My message to them will be simple: the surest way to grow this economy and create jobs is to leave more money in the hands of the people who earn it." May 10, 2003

It's really ironic that your son claimed his plan would "leave more money in the hands of the people who EARN it" when his plan involved eliminating taxes on dividends, which are typically called "unearned income."

Do you really believe that your son is an honest man, and a person to be proud of? Or do you think that if you give a speech making those claims that you can 'catapult the propaganda' and the M$M will, once again, not bother to report the truth? Just because your big money supporters can drown out the truth with more lies does not make your son an honest man.

[Turbineguy]

1. "My son is an honest man"

He could make a fortune with that line.

in stand-up comedy.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. read my lips. My son is an honest man.

it works.

[niceypoo]

15. I would ask poppy to list the claims by JR about Iraq that turned out to be true...

...then when he can't name any I would ask him to repeat the "my son is honest" statement...

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. His son is a war criminal

[lpbk2713]

4. *Read my lips ....... *

Yeah, OK. We've been through all this before.

[hfojvt]

12. unfortunately he paid for that line

First he announced his determination to not raise taxes. Then he backed down and did what was good for the country - made a compromise tax increase. And paid for that compromise by not getting re-elected.

His son has 'learned' from that - to never back down, never compromise, never admit to a mistake.

[NJCher]

18. Dreamer!

That would assume that bush II is smart enough to learn from the mistakes of others. If that were the case, he'd have learned from others who sought to occupy Iraq.

Bush is not intellectually capable of learning from others. He listens to his "gut," as he will tell you himself. Oh yeah, and a father higher than his own.

:eyes:




Cher

[hfojvt]

21. Okay. It was Rove and Cheney who "learned" from Poppy's 'mistakes'

maybe Dubya is an honest man when he's not telling the lies that his bosses tell him to, and since his lying bosses tell them it's true, Dubya does not really know he's lying. It's not like HE can do the math.

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

[TahitiNut]

5. It's wave upon wave upon wave of inequity in tax policy.

They not only made major shifts in the tax burden upon working people, they embarked on spending practices which enriched the same privateers and increased a debt that, in the future weighs again upon working people.

The abominable favoritism for UNEARNED income (income 'owners' receive from the labors of others) includes taxation at less than half the rates applied to EARNED income and no taxation at all for estates - where 'unrealized' capital gains go untaxed either before or after transfer of the estate. Such estate formation becomes exclusively an 'ownership' entitlement where nothing is left over to form the capital of an estate where the income is that earned by a worker.

Even the exploding interest on the publicly-held federal debt is paid to those wealthy enough to hold such massive investments (like Junior himself) and that interest income itself goes untaxed.

It's beyond abominable.

[hfojvt]

16. but he did it honestly - he kept his promises

"My plan is directed toward individuals and small businesses. It offers relief for everyone who pays income taxes, and it keeps our national commitments to Social Security and debt reduction." Feb 8, 2001

Well, he kept them to the best of his ability. After all, nobody could have predicted that Bush's tax cuts would destroy the surplus.

Well, nobody if you do not count Senator Nelson of Florida:

"With all due respect to Senators Grassley and Baucus, we are about to
vote on a tax bill that largely promises future relief based on future
surpluses that may not materialize. It poses a serious threat to our
economy because it will use up what surplus there is so we cannot pay
down the national debt. And it seriously threatens our Medicare and
Social Security trust funds--not only in 2012 but beginning next year."

And others. But that's all down the memory hole. And thanks to the M$M, most Americans never heard it in the first place.

[Imagevision]

6. Looks like the Bushies are beginning to trip a bit... even Poppy is working it..!

[htuttle]

7. "The louder he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons"

-- Emerson

[sleepingdog]

8. "My son is an honest man"

Yes, and the earth is the center of the universe too!

:nopity:

[newyawker99]

22. Hi sleepingdog!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sarge43]

9. No Poppy, he isn't. He is a lying sack.

Over 150 Iraqis, many of them children, died today because he lied to his country and to the world. Three US Marines died yesterday because he lied to his country and to the world. Their families will always remember this day of Thanksgiving as the day they learned their children died because your son lied.

Your spawn is a murderous liar and you are a pathetic old man lying to yourself and to us. Go away.

[MrModerate]

10. I think he was trying to say . . .

"My son is not a crook."

Well.

This also highlights the genetic predisposition to Tin Ear Syndrome which has afflicted at least two generations of Bushes (and may be emerging in the Barb-Jenna-What'sisname generation). As in "I think he doth protest too much." If you feel compelled to loudly insist that someone is honest, then they probably aren't.

[Imagevision]

11. The fact the ole man is out doing damage control speaks volumes...!

[Disturbed]

14. Here is proof that GW Bush is not an honest man.

“Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.” GW Bush April 2004

At the time of this statement GW Bush was authorizing the spying on American citizens and their communications by the National Security Agency and other U.S. police and intelligence agencies, in violation of the First and Fourth Amendments and the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

[Gatchaman]

13. If he's not dishonest, he must be incompetent

If that's what he want's us to think, so much the better.

[hfojvt]

17. No that's not a good way to think

because then people will think it's okay to just replace him with somebody competent, like McCain or Guiliani, who are held up in the M$M as honest and competent. When the fact is they have carried water for this dishonest administration and dishonest party. They sat silent while Bush told those lies about tax cuts. They voted for the tax cuts, and then bragged about it in their re-election campaigns (okay Guiliani didn't, but when has he ever called Bush out on one of his lies?). It was not incompetence, the tax cuts did just what they were designed to do - give wads of cash to Bush's base - the haves and the have mores.

"Bush – and I quote – "continues to take the steaks out of the blue-collar refrigerator and to declare instead, 'let them eat war.'""

Not because he is incompetent, but because it is official Republican policy, a policy they do not tell you about when they are running for office.

[Initech]

19. You know you're in trouble when your parents have to come bail you out.

[Rex]

20. Both of ya are evil bastards.

Rot in Hell.

[spanone]

23. He's the idiot son of a lying asshole.