Fresh Leibowitz: Jon Stewart bitchslaps Michael Richards

[hsher]

The final word, I think.



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[MercutioATC]

1. You can't say "bitchslap". Haven't you read the memo?

Some of our overly-sensitive DU brothers and sisters feel it's not PC...

:eyes:

[hsher]

2. I didn't get the memo :D

Let 'em come. The more attention the merrier.

[MercutioATC]

4. Look here (from a few days ago):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2761987

[hsher]

5. Thanks

I was one of the original "PC must die" posters. A few trolls showed up and were so vicious they actually insinuated on the post I wasn't black, but obviously "a pudgy, white Republican" for saying I had a thick skin. (Isn't that a smear against pudgy, white Republicans? LOL.) I appreciate the warning, but my policy is, this is comedy. Unless you use obvious epithets in a state of hatred a la Michael Richards, comedy really isn't the place for political correctness - and the moment it becomes so, comedy in this country is dead. It's a narrow, blurry line - but I use Photoshop Sharpen and Cloning Tool to take care of that, and I still walk it.

If anyone has an issue with me being a woman and using the word "bitchslap", they're free to come to Albuquerque, NM and take it up with me personally in a back alley somewhere. ;)

Comedy should be free.
With me, it is.

[MercutioATC]

8. I like your style.

A word is defined by the way it's used. Words themselves aren't inherently offensive.


...oh, and I've seen your pic...you're definitely not a pudgy white Republican...
;)

[Blackthorn]

12. YES!!! Too many people being offended by certain permutations of letters

How many people are offended by the word "shed"? What makes "bitch" so much worse?

[Fonde Ombre]

11. Q: Whats worse than a celebrity who makes off color comments about minorities?

A: The inevitable media frenzy that follows.:spank:

These are *my* first & final words on the 'K-K-Kramer' issue...
If it's alright for a black comic to use the "N Word", how about a half-Black comic? And what if the other half is Jewish? Where does one drawn the line?!?
It doesn't matter what color the person is who says *that word*, or how they pronounce it (e.g.--hip-hop baby-talk version: "nigga'"), it's always relative to the context.
I didn't watch the video, and have no plains to. I don't know what Richards' explanation is.
All I care about is that we don't become so goddamned PC about everything that " African- American " becomes the only accepted way to denote someone is of the darker persuasion.
To me, the '`Prefix`-American'isms are nearly as offensive as the dreaded word that rhymes with 'digger':o.

Never mind Michael Richards faux pax for a minute...
wasn't the stated point, for why black people are 'allowed" to use *that word*, that 'It Takes Away the Hurtfulness' of it, to use it in a non-hurtful context?
If that's it... what difference does it make, what the color of the person saying it,:grr: is?
I think it's bad that ANYONE should be discriminated against, in the would-be free art of expression.
Everyone, however, should make the personal decision, to discriminate between what words they choose to hurl off their tongue.

For the sake of argument, and in that I am a front-guard warrior in the daily battles against Political Correctness, let me try an experiment:
"Condoleeza is a cretin, but not just any-body's nigger, she's the chief Nigger of State."
Now this may be UNNECCISARY, to say, but if it's okay for Chris Rock to say, why not Bill Maher? Or, for example, ANYONE :think:?
It might be an incontrovertible Stand-Up Rule. Should it be the Rule for all?

[wellst0nev0ter]

13. *Lumberg* Ummm. . .Yeah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knsnTtXwQAg

Then if you want to, compare it to Richard's meltdown. If you can't tell the difference, stay out of the discourse.

[Fonde Ombre]

15. please, 'wellst0nev0ter', what "difference" are you talking about?!?

I'd like to know what you're try to tell me. Besides, 'Shut Up, I don't agree with you'.
Why did you provided a link to a Sarah Silverman clip?
I'm not going to watch "Richard's meltdown", whatever that is, because it isn't relevant to what I wrote.
Is the Silverman clip, though?

[wellst0nev0ter]

35. Yeah, She's White, She Says "Nigger"

and apparently she hasn't been hung by the PC police yet. I'm sure you are smart enough to know the difference between the two instances if you make the effort to scratch the surface.

[Fonde Ombre]

37. the Surface is all Political Correctness is concerned with: THATS MY PROBLEM!

Jeez, wellst0nev0ter,
You're still not making sense to me, but I think I know what you're driving at.;-)
I'll respond one last time, to you, because you're the only one on this Thread that made the "effort" to go 1/4-way, to meeting me :cry:halfway.
I like Silverman. I probably wouldn't like Michael's stand-up, that night, from what I've heard. My point was only half to do with that, anyway.
I was being more than a little sinceare, when I replied to 'pinto'. I believe in following a certain reason, to not needlessly provoke people with a word like "bitch", when another word would suffice as well or better. One the other hand...
There are far too many nitwits on DU who surrender to Received notions, about what the approved ways of communication are.

People are always going to be offended by *something* in language. I'm offended by all sorts of things. To reprimand the said "offender" -so as to take away there livelihood- is another matter.:grr:

"Yes, massa, needn't hollo at poor nigger dat style." : this is a line from a Poe story, which is one example, of thousands I could give, that is out-dated, off-color, and generally regarded as a Reprehensible Stereotype. Especially if you hear it out of context!
...if we banned the Poe, or Twain, or Faulkner, of today (presuming there were such a thing), to any extent, that would be one more step society's taking in the direction of fascism.
Personally, I'm annoyed like hell, by the ruthless, tastelessness of a Howard Stern. I didn't like the _Borat_ movie, for the very reason that, I thought he had lost his sense of fun, and had gotten to mean-spirited.
Although it may sound hokey, in this "sophisticated" age of instant digital media & preemptive wars ...if something isn't to you're liking, vaporizing it out of existence is NOT - perhaps- the most Enlightened decision.
How about getting off your ass, and walking out, or turning off the receiver? :wow:
Or is that too old-fashioned?

[Matariki]

40. It wasn't Richard's stand-up routine at issue

it was his angry and abusive racist name-calling of an audience member. That's why wellst0nev0ter was asking if you can tell the difference.

[Fonde Ombre]

41. Of course I can tell the difference about THAT!

But that's not a point I was interested in. That's not a point at all --that's a dodge from the questions I had put forth, that remain unanswered.

[flying_monkeys]

22. It is kind of like this.

*I* can call my friends bitches or hos - - because we share the commonality of having those words used as weapons or putdowns between us - - but if some man called us that? He isn't part of the "group" and his use of the word is not a playful tease, no matter how he tries to spin it.


Likewise, Chris Rock using N* is not nearly the same as Maher using the word in a joke - - if you are NOT in the "put-down" group, you can't play that word.


THAT should be the rule for all :)


Lemme guess, you are a white male?


(I mean no offense to white males, just that some of y'all who have never been in a "put-down" group have a harder time grasping this concept so I thought I'd take a guess here. Many women *get* this distinction a lot more easily than their husbands....)

[Fonde Ombre]

25. Looks like this'll never get resolved...

So, lets make the *RULES* as clear as possible...
if a man, who is not of the an priori group (or, clan, if you will) -where *affectionate use of derogatory terms* is accepted- suddenly spurts out that *word*, for any reason -- he is thus branded some variant on Racist?
And then, is every person in a Chris Rock audience, part of such a group / commonality?
Again, why is this okay, and not for non-black people?

Let me say, as to the question of my ethnicity & gender:
for my first 10 years of schooling, 95% of my friends were either black, latino, or in some way, Other than normal white folks.
Why should I need to say more? I have nearly all my life been in the "put down" category. It has nothing to do with skin color. It definitely does for some people, but often this is claim is unfounded.

[silverojo]

27. You're judging before seeing the video?

How Fundie Christian of you...you sound like those who want to ban books they've never read.

Richards didn't just use the n-word. He made several statements about white men being superior to blacks. Richard Pryor used the n-word and made it funny...Richards was just spewing racist hate, period.

[Fonde Ombre]

30. If I sound like I want to Ban something, you must be new to reading?

I get the difference between what's commonly considered "edgy humor" and "pure Hate-speech".
A video is not a book. As if there were any valid comparison there.

[pinto]

14. Special note with regard to the word "bitch":

"Special note with regard to the word "bitch": The word "bitch" has been the source of a great deal of controversy on this website, because some of our members consider it to be a bigoted slur against all women, while others do not consider it bigoted. For a while we actively deleted posts which included this word, in an effort to keep the peace. This effort helped to keep discussions on track, but it resulted in many deleted posts that were otherwise perfectly fine as well as many confused people. Futhermore, the moderators themselves were ambivalent about removing the word. For this reason, we no longer automatically remove the word "bitch." However, we strongly urge members to voluntarily avoid using the word if they wish to keep their own discussions from going off-topic, and we reserve the right to take disciplinary action if we think someone is deliberately using the word in an effort to disrupt or cause trouble."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Thanks.

(edited title line to quote DU rule verbatim.)

[hsher]

16. I wish I could change it to "Jon Stewart pimpslaps" Michael Richards

Because, then:

1. Offended procurers of flesh could then highlight their ire and sensitivity, and

2. It's funnier than "b*tchslap" is

[Fonde Ombre]

23. Thanks, pinto! Only Bitches Should say the word Bitch, right?

Seriously, this is one perfectly reasonable & bitchin' post.
I shall adhere to it TO THE LETTER.
If only life, were no longer a bitch.

[Raine]

3. LOL

:thumbsup:

[FuzzySlippers]

6. OMFG!!

You said the b-word!! :wow:

[hsher]

7. Yeah! I'm a woman and own a female dog!

I qualify!!!!!

[mykpart]

17. Regarding the PC:

I once told my husband that calling someone a pussy was offensive to women as it implied that females are weak. He answered that a female vagina is soft and warm, and referring to someone as a pussy just meant that they are soft and warm and squishy. I don't like his answer, but I can't come up with a good counter for it.

[flying_monkeys]

18. So ask your hubby

if a guy refers to another guy as a "pussy", then that is supposed to be a "good" thing?


It can't mean "nice and warm and squishy" as a positive thing but then be used as a slur in another way :)


Try that line of approach ....

[mykpart]

29. Good point.

Thanks. I also would like to thank the DUer who gave me the expression that someone has ovaries instead of someone has balls!

[StraightDope]

42. I had a girlfriend once...

Who would get angry whnever I called something "pussy". Her solution was to say "inferior genitalia". As in, "Quit crying! You're acting like inferior genitalia."

[hsher]

19. Hey hey!

Y'all are gonna get my cartoon thread locked! Throw an asterisk (*) in them there words somewhere!

[lapfog_1]

9. Hey hsher! That's good work

love the "meet me at camera three" with the special looking through the pointy hood camera mask!

Nice of you to spend your day creating this for us netizens... have you approached TDS or Comedy Central about doing this at some official capacity?

[hsher]

10. Not advisable ;)

Jon Stewart's manager hates me. :D

[flying_monkeys]

20. I don't take think "bitchslap" is the same as bitch or bitches.....

"Bitchslap" evokes an image for me.


"Bitch" evokes a slur.


"Bitchslap" describes an action.


"Bitch" describes an individual person.


I don't take offense at hearing the word "Bitchslap"/


I do take offense at being called a "Bitch".



The differences are enough for me to differentiate between the two :)


But what do I know....

[hsher]

21. Same here, but... to avoid treading on any toes...

I've asked one of the mods to go into the editing function of my OP and switch "b*tchslap" to "pimpslap" for me.

Ah, the Stalinism of the victimized. I feel like lining up for bread and singing "Zug A Volga". Honestly: the idea I have to change my words to keep from offending a faceless other casts a palpable chill over me I may have to drink some wine to shake off tonight. "B*tchslap" doesn't bother me, either. My mother and I were beat the heck out of by an abusive husband of hers, too, and the word that comically describes his mindstate and what he felt he was doing *still* doesn't offend me. Nevertheless, as someone who was b*tchslapped, by a man who called me that word while doing it, I have to zipper my mouth to keep from offending somebody who has gone through neither of those experiences...? *amazing*

When I was a kid and a teen being viciously beaten by this man who called me "p--- lips" and "b*tch", the word "b*tchslap" did NOT occur to me. What did was, "this man is beating me and I have to get away from him." "I need to call the police." Today the words still do not offend me. The violence he committed did and does. And the word didn't lead him to do it. His alcoholism and basically violent nature did. Blaming words is dangerous and leads to closed libraries and books in bonfires. That's my opinion. So wordblame, as a writer, offends me. Where is the protection for *me* from that offense? That's a seriously meant question.

Could it be some of us have been through stuff but still have our sense of humor? Wow...

On the other hand, at least all the controversy on the board recently about this issue means we are at least beginning to have a debate about it. That's what America's all about.

Interestingly, still no mod has come forward to switch the word for me. I actually wouldn't mind it, yet none has. Still asking. Will continue to wait.

[flying_monkeys]

24. No! Leave it lay!

Gosh darn, I hate edited posts....


Pimpslap doesn't evoke the same image (since they, umm, don't slap each other and if they slap a whore, it is a different action in my mind).


What about the word "bitchy"? Is that still on the semi-approved list?




(Honestly, the bitch words don't even register that much to me - - I take more offense at the ones that target a female's specific genitalia like C***, G***, S*** etc.... Being referenced to a female dawg is something I just YAWN at since I know I am not a dawg.... But the others? I can't yawn when I hear my vagina called specific slurs.....)

[Fonde Ombre]

26. Political Correctness is a disease, like Racism

"Nevertheless, as someone who was b*tchslapped, by a man who called me that word while doing it, I have to zipper my mouth to keep from offending somebody who has gone through neither of those experiences...? *amazing*"

This is the case with almost all PC-frenzied fools. It's like those who claim to 'support the troops', meanwhile doing everything they can to forget the 'troops's troubles.

For most people, whether they are "conservative" or "progressive" makes no difference at bottom. Either you believe if free speech or you're an totalitarian to some extent.
Actions speak softer than words these days, but they are still what *really* matters.

[HardRocker05]

33. so nigger, macaca, rag-head, etc are all OK? after all, no PC right? question -

what do you do when the "PC" position is the RIGHT position? do you let the PC win or the prejudice win? don't think too long...

[Fonde Ombre]

38. Calm down, breath. You're not making sense.

How anyone could infer that, that to be anti-PC is to be pro-prejudice, is a mystery.
But of course, you didn't infer -- you reacted, without reason.
Now go back and read what I actually wrote, if you want to pick it up from there.
The problem with PC people, is they NEVER think long about anything, why something offends them --they simply react. A waste is a terrible thing to mind, right?

[hsher]

28. Bottom line - was the comic strip funny?

I'm thinking about taking a swing at Richards again and want to know if you guys thought this first one was even funny or not.

[Fonde Ombre]

31. It was put together well, but...

too much provocation for the sake of being provocative.
I thought it was "the last word"!?
Anyway, it provoked me, and I didn't in turn provoke any thought out of the Posters tonight...
so I'd give it a C-.
I'm not going to talk about this stuff any more, I'm going to sleep.
Damn, I wish I could be more like Harry Belafonte was on David Bender tonight : Diplomatic.
I can't help it , I hate PC people like poison!

[qanda]

36. I didn't find it funny

I thought it was more serious in tone than ironic, which is how Jon gets his point across a lot of times.

[Name removed]

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[hsher]

34. Nah, "poo-poo slaps"

"Wee wee slaps" are in these days, too :D

[GymGeekAus]

39. Hmmm.

Perhaps the mods should reconsider their position?

Oh wait--the doctrine of infallibility makes that course of action impossible.

My bad.