"Just level Iraq, kill everyone there who is Iraqi"

[flying_monkeys]

"We have the technology - - We can get our troops safe and then just kill them all because we can't let the 4000 troops who have already died die in vain! We don't want another Vietnam - - Just kill them all and take the country as ours!"



This was said tonight over dinner. I was too stunned to offer up much of a counter thrust - - but I did bring up how killing everyone in Iraq wouldn't solve the issue of the next plane hijackers coming from Saudi Arabia... And how killing millions wouldn't make the deaths of our 4000 fallen any more "less in vain"....


So, what should I email him? What points should I cover?


This is a close relative who has changed in tha past few years; his background is pro-military (though he never served) and his comments on the video showing soldiers teasing Iraqi kids with a bottle of water were "I don't blame our troops for doing anything they have to over there, since kids try to kill them and they are in an active war that *YOU* don't fully understand!"....


Thoughts? Help?

[Kiouni]

1. By us saying it is ok we are

inviting all of our enemies and future enemies to respond in kind. If we waterboard others then they in turn can waterboard our soldier too, right? And i personally don't want our soldiers being tortured.

What makes us better then any other nation or people?

Tell him nationalism is what led to the holocaust and patriotism is short sighted we should want global peace.

[UndertheOcean]

2. he's a hopeless case...

What he said is worthy of a Nazi.

[LynnTheDem]

33. Indeed.

And exactly.

[antiimperialist]

3. Ask him how many Iraqi terrorists have attacked the US homeland

and he will feel stupid.

[buddysmellgood]

4. Tell him to enlist. Ask him to be sure to send pictures of the first baby his kills.

[Maraya1969]

5. Tell them that is a very racist comment and it derives from fear.

Case in point the Oklahoma city bombing. Why doesn't this person think we should kill all white male Christians. We hate that which we fear and when we realize that we are all the same then the fear leaves along with the racism.

[Union Thug]

6. I would tell him that most people with such a blood lust end up

spending their days with Charlie Manson.

Oh yeah, I would add that he is a pathetic, whining little pussy to so brazenly endorse mass murder while being too chickenshit to participate. Sign the hell up, tough guy.

[BeFree]

7. Sadly, there are many...

who are still deathly afraid of the common Middle Eastern resident.

I ask them why and they tell me that it is because they want to kill us first. Well, that's just plain wrong. But that is how they feel and what they believe, so back to square one we must go. I go back to square one with the commonly held belief in Christianity and it becomes readily apparent whether that person is a Christian, or not.

Frankly, as far as I know, I don't know many true Christians.

[flying_monkeys]

8. LOLOLOLOL

I, the decades avowed Atheist, suggested he needed to go to Church to remind himself just what was so odious about wanting millions of people to die to make 4000 soldier's deaths somehow "worth it" and "not in vain".....

I am betting he will sleep in on Sunday.

[BeFree]

11. There you go

It is the main meme in this country - the idea that we are a Christian nation. Frankly, I don't imagine Christ would be upset by anyone using his name as a way to make peace, no matter what anyone believes.

Too, believing and following Christ's words never harmed a soul. Good luck.

[flying_monkeys]

12. I often ponder when I go to sleep....

How come so many of the atheists and agnostics *I* know walk the walk that Jesus preached without believing he was divine, while so many who purport to BELIEVE seem to have missed the "Be Good To Others 101 Course" somehow through life?


It is kinda sad when the atheists and agnostics I know out-Christian the Christians around me, eh?

[Solomon]

9. I had this same conversation about 2 months ago with a person I was

friends with for more than 20 years. We are no longer friends because of it. Only in my case, she having admitted that it was wrong to invade Iraq, stated that Afghanistan should have been wiped from the face of the earth. Lock, stock and barrel. Said that it was in the culture and that the only way to route out the culture was to just kill them all. Said Americans didn't have the guts to do what is necessary.

[Union Thug]

34. And her statement explains why most of the world can't stand americans...

Narcissistic, self-centered, loud-mouthed, obnoxious and gleefully ignorant.

Yet another person that should be forced to the front lines...

[yurbud]

10. he changed TO this? Did he get hit in the head? My dad is like this...

Racist to the bone. It's not about evidence or arguments. It's like the bully who goes to the playground or bar looking for someone to beat on. Some people have a free floating ball of hate that just needs an excuse to stick to someone.

When I talk to my dad about illegal immigration, I point out that it was less of a problem when we were tougher on employers and maybe that would help, and it's like he doesn't even hear me and goes right back to "goddamn beaners, come up here and use all our welfare and won't learn English..." and that's about as far as his thought process goes (because he lives too far from the border to join that lynch mob).

[superconnected]

13. typical freeper

You tell ME what we can do with the repukes. I haven't found a cure for them yet.

[flying_monkeys]

15. Unfortunately, this is one of our own.

He is registered Indy but tends to vote Dem (say, the last 15 years have been all Dem votes).


He is within our own group.

[Solomon]

20. My ex-friend is a democrat too,

[Porcupine]

14. Start with "What part of Thou Shall NOT Kill do you not understand"

They will come back with some whiny BS about how it means "no murder" which is modernist revisionism. It was understood that this commandment applied to all killing for the greatest part of Christian history. Of course ignorant, know-nothing, boobs, like him can't be bothered with scholarship of even the most basic form.

Ask him how many children Jesus said it was ok to kill.

This will do NOTHING to change the minds of monsters like this. The best you can do is make them shut up.

[flying_monkeys]

17. He isn't religious.

He is hung up on "America Saving Face" and "Making the dead kids lives MEAN something"....


He doesn't seem to GET that losing another 4000 soldiers' lives won't make it more Honorable...


And he is one of our own, a voter who goes Dem most elections. He is just stuck on this "backing down" machismo BS.....


I really want to wap him hard back into reality.... Help?

[w13rd0]

24. Killing 10 or 10,000 for every dead soldier...

...still wouldn't bring them back, and it still wouldn't "mean anything". This "backing down" machismo is something one can do only from a distance, like half the world away. If Hitler had gotten the bomb, would he have been justified, according to this fools reasoning, in nuking all of Europe and most of the US, to make those dead German soldiers lives "mean something". Sorry, more death NEVER makes death that has already occurred "mean" anything. What exactly would it "mean" to him anyway? That due to our overwhelming military and nuclear superiority, we can just take our ball, go home and nuke the other guy into oblivion? Applying childhood playground logic to global conflicts. I don't care if your friend votes Democratic, I for one don't want someone that thinks like that in my tent.

[WinkyDink]

28. "Mean something" to WHOM? Them? Don't THINK so. Him?

Well, what makes HIM so special that he needs to have another's death "mean something" to him?

[livvy]

16. I think I'd just send one of those email greeting cards.

Find one that says something like this:

My deepest felt condolences on your loss.

In the memo part add:

of your mind and human spirit. May you find a way to inner peace, a sense of tolerance, and an IQ sufficient enough to figure out how to get your head out of your ass.

Just a thought. :shrug: Might be a lot easier than trying to talk some sense into someone this far gone.

[lumberjack_jeff]

18. A guy was walking past an outhouse door. He happened to glance inside...

... just as a freeper was dropping a $20 down the hole. The man did a double-take, stopped and asked; "Uh, what the heck are you doing?"

The freeper responds; "I just dropped a quarter down there and you don't think I'd go down there for 25 cents, do you?"

I am reminded of this joke every time I hear someone speak of "making their sacrifice matter".

[driver8]

19. I wouldn't even bother responding -- he isn't worth it.

I tried to fight the good fight on my veterans' board and no matter what I said, the narrow minded and ignorant comments continued.

I finally decided that I had better things to do with my time than to try and educate people who did not wish to be educated.

Let them live happily in their tiny little world with their ignorance.

[Duke Newcombe]

21. Talking to him is a non-starter...

whatever one's view of the war, the whole "kill 'em all-let God sort 'em out" type statement put it all out there re: his reasonableness. When people tell you about themselves, believe them.

Duke

[NuttyFluffers]

22. so he advocates a "final solution" does he...

hmm, except, since iraq is a country of around 25 million people, he wants to create a genocide around 2-3 times larger than the Nazi's "final solution" holocaust. well, it'd be very tempting to label that individual a brownshirt, jackbooted, chickenhawk, nazi thug, but does name calling really get us anywhere? well, sometimes yes, but still, would it shock him out of his hateful spiral of delusion? would it now? would it? i mean, for him to feel shame it'd require some humanity left inside. and if you call him that what he may truly seem to be, there really would need to be something human left inside that would be offended...

[JohnnyRingo]

23. As if the rest of the world would be powerless to halt the extermination

of an entire nation
As if the UN would have to stand by as the US launches Nuke attacks in an effort to eliminate an entire people through holocaust.

As if the world at large would say "Aaaiiiahhh...we can't stop them! It's America, land of the free!!"

As if.

The world would respond in much the same way as it did in 1940 when the last madman tried that, and your relative would be on the losing side.

[EdwardM]

25. Theres nothing you can do here.

This guy is obviously a nutcase. He wants to completely Nuke a country that never attacked us. Obviously this guy doesn't care if Millions of women and children die he is completely sick. And if we did something stupid like that, there is no doubt World War 3 would start, as every country would immediately turn against us.

[democrank]

26. Give him the local recruiter`s phone number

then ask him what he`d do if another government invaded his country. Would he fight back? Would he then be a terrorist?

[WinkyDink]

27. I'd stay away as far as possible, personally, including e-mail.

I thought we were there to "liberate"---well, after we found the WMD's, haha---Iraqis from Saddam, not from this mortal coil.

Gee, so much for all that good news we're not getting, about our re-building schools and all. Right.

[NNN0LHI]

29. My only suggestion is to never leave your children alone with this wacko

Not even for short periods of time.

He is sick.

Don

[DemonFighterLives]

30. The knucklehead in chief has dumbed many people down

My sister in law who is a very liberal person stated after watching the Christian nut in The Davinci Code flog himself: That is what the Muslims do, whack themselves into the wall or slap their heads= they are nuts. I left it go, but a day later when another sister in law went goofy on gays, I finally said that hating gays and Muslims is not the answer.
My hunting buddy who served as a Marine, though not in wartime as far as I know, stated that torture was OK. "Cut their nuts off". I was flabberghasted that he would say that. He had to have read about the Geneva Conventions as I did in the Army.

The point is the general dark ages that dubco has brought on us is affecting many. Let's hope when the Democrats take over and we get a thinker in the White House, the country can heal. It will take longer than the 6 destructive years to bring some around, but education is the key.

I forgot to ask my friend how many pairs of nuts he cut off while he was a gung ho Marine.
:dem:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

31. "Say, weren't you the one who said a year ago we were doing this FOR the Iraqis,

for their freedom, so they could vote with purple fingers and all that, so that their women could be liberated and all?

Or was all that a bald faced lie, and this was what you were really all about? Being worse than Hitler, killing tens of millions of people so America could 'win'?"

[txindy]

35. That's a great answer, right there. n/t

[LynnTheDem]

32. I hope the day never comes when your relative (and all of us)

is on the receiving end of some other nation's citizenry sitting around comfortable and warm and well-fed, casually saying "just kill them all, kill every American", as we kill & die in fighting off our invaders & occupiers.

Hitler's Germans thought "just kill them all, kill every Jew/gay/liberal" was the "final solution", too.

Your relative has the same mind-set as Hitler.

My thoughts? Pity him. And carry on with your own life.

[mondo joe]

36. The NeoCons remind me of 3 year olds. They try to do something beyond their

ability, then get mad and want to throw the pieces around the room.

[shance]

37. What's frightening is that is what they are doing. They are killing everyone in Iraq.

n/t

[rman]

38. I suppose those people didn't buy "we're liberating the Iraqi people"

as one of the reasons mentioned for this war.

There's one thing i appreciate about that particular brand of neocon: they're honest about their intentions. I wonder if they realize how many people oppose this "kill everyone and take the land as our own" policy.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

39. Yeah but half the people who say this (nuke 'em all) shit are the SAME ones who were all cheering &

teary-eyed over the purple finger election and all. They will march to whatever propaganda Rush and Hannity put in front of them.

If they are told "it's for the good of the Iraqi people! Freedom!" they'll run with that.

If, 30 minutes later, they are told "nuke 'em all! Kill every male in Iraq! Turn the place into a glass parking lot!" they'll go with that.

So most of them are NOT very honest, or consistent, at all.

I think they are only being honest when they are advocating the "nuke 'em all" option, judging from my read of the ones I know.