Any freeper troll who is against contraceptives, please read:

[MiniMandaRuth]

If you're a man, I'll give you my uterus. And your wife a penis.

If you're a woman, I'll give you a list of all the feminist movements and all that they did for your damn tiny mind.

If you're a kid like me, I'll give you a long talking to about how much your life would screw up if you had a kid, or if your girlfriend had a kid.

Shape up.

Sincerely, A very pissed off fifteen-year-old.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. They're pretty much ALL against contraceptives. That's the dirty little secret

of the so-called "pro-life" movement. It's really about wanting to ban contraception and, by extension, non-procreative screwing. That's the fundy fantasy.

[MiniMandaRuth]

2. Pretty much.

And then we got the fundy's and their 'Promise Rings'

I had a nice little thought where instead of the 'Promise Rings' on a girls finger, it's a 'Promise Protection' that a guy has on his privates to keep him from any impure actions.

[Warren DeMontague]

3. It's another strange intersection of the kink world and the fundy Xtian one.

Chastity belts for all!

[Stargazer99]

4. Just look at the appointment Bush put in charge

of family health. The man who is against contraceptives...how stupid can people get? This 15 year old has more smarts than the fundies.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. Of course. They want to criminalize the birth control pill. They claim with absolute black and white

certainty that the second a sperm meets an egg, it magically transmogrifies into "a baby" with rights under the 14th amendment- and the major so-called "pro-life" organizations in this country, for the most part, make no moral distinction between the pill and surgical abortion.

Yet they soft-pedal that part of the agenda, and many (at least when they're not having private strategy meetings) will bleat about how they're against abortion but not contraception, even though, if you dig, you will find that most of the websites for the big "pro-life" organizations have links to anti-contraception groups and rants against the "murderous" pill.

They know from a purely PR perspective that for the general voting public, they need to keep that stuff toned down ...but for people who like to claim black and white moral certainty, isn't that an awful lot of moral relativism?

Here's the real deal- if a fertilized egg is a human being with rights, and (as the pro-lifers claim) the pill can interfere with implantation and as such will "kill" fertilized eggs, then the HLA as written in the GOP platform would necessitate criminalizing the pill. Very simple. So "pro-lifers" who support the HLA (pretty much all of em) are against contraception, at least the pill- which is certainly one of the biggest, most widely used contraceptive options in this country today.

And, of course, "pro-life" groups are at the forefront of the movement to protect the "rights" of state-licensed pharmacists to lecture women or dispense lectures about Jesus and sin instead of filling their pill prescriptions, even to the extent of holding women's prescriptions hostage so other pharmacy outlets can't fill them, either. :eyes:



Noooo, we're just hallucinating this war on Contraception.... right, Freeps?

What I'd really like is some full-blown intellectual honesty from the black and white "stem cells and fertilized eggs are human beings" crowd. They're so eager to screech that abortion is murder, yet they kind of bring it down to a dull whisper (again, for PR reasons) when they say the same thing about the widely popular birth control pill. Bullshit. You all believe that abortion should be outlawed -that's what "pro-life" means- and that doctors should be prosecuted... (Senator Coburn has stated Doctors who perform abortions should get the death penalty) but this black and white moral absolutism drops off precipitously, strangely enough, when they are asked not about the doctors, but the women who have abortions...

The official party line, of course, is that those women should not be prosecuted- they are the "victims" of, you know, the choice they have been allowed to make. But how can that be? If abortion is murder, then to claim that the doctors are culpable but the women are "victims" is ludicrous... and despite this obvious pandering to the sensibilities of the electorate, once far right fundies get enough power, that'll go out the window, too.

Obviously, to black and white moral absolutists like the pro-life fundy far right, if abortion is murder, a woman who has an abortion is a murderer or at the very least an accomplice to murder- and if the pill really "kills" fertilized eggs, then use of the pill is murder, too. So if they're to maintain ideological consistency, women who take the pill will be prosecuted for murder, and since the right loves the death penalty so much, sooner or later they'll inevitably claim that those women deserve the death penalty.

All of which, I'd wager, is what they secretly want, anyway- at the very least penalties so severe that they can fantasize about putting a stop to all this non-procreative fucking in society that has them in such a thigh-grinding, red faced, moralizing tizzy... (probably because the fornicating sinners are doing it with each other--- and not them.)

But just for once, I would like one of these pro-lifers to ADMIT that's the agenda, and then try to win an election on it!

[sweetpotato]

19. Women are vicitms of abortion, if you assume that women are not people,

Easy-peasy.

Women can't make the decision to commit murder, because women aren't really people.

Women need to be told what to do, therefore, they aren't really making a choice, they were told to do it.

And you know motherhood is every woman's deepest desire. The Bible says so. So contraception is hurtful, because it denies women their deepest desire. A desire so deep, that they may not even know they have it. But the Bible says it, so it must be true.

How do you make the 'sarcasm' thingy?

[Warren DeMontague]

20. colon, then the word sarcasm, then another colon.

Or use the smilies lookup table.

:patriot:

You're right, too- it's completely about disempowering women and treating them like they "don't know enough" to make their own damn decisions. I've noticed that that's a current which runs through all these debates where people want to tell consenting adults how to run their lives; when the other arguments run out, "you're not competent to make the choice you claim the right to make" is dragged out.

[Jamastiene]

5. That's "screwn" up. They won't understand you.

You should misspell lots of words and say "screwn" if you want them to understand. :evilgrin:

[MaraJade]

6. What I dream of

are political spots from the Dems that point to the conservatives'
hatred of birth control. Especially effective would be spots that feature something like
this:

http://home.att.net/~nathan.wilson/brthcntl.htm

http://www.mercyseat.net/BROCHURES/protestantprotest.htm

http://www.alternet.org/rights/21696/

http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2006/03/war-against-birth-control.html

and some Really Stupid Reasons http://www.armyofgod.com/Birthcontrol.html

If your cannot afford to feed, maintain and educacate the child properly and according
to the child's abilites and talents, then the parents have clearly failed the child. Nuff
said.

[Duke Newcombe]

7. Um...

would it be inappropriate to mention that not all folks against contraception are "Freepers"...?

Duke

[Pushed To The Left]

8. I think she's referring to the ones who want to legislate against it

rather than those who are personally opposed to using contraception in their own lives.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. No. Please, elaborate.

Like, some of the "reasonable" non-freepish arguments against legal contraception would be an excellent place to start! C'mon. Tell us why it should be against the law to fuck for non-procreative purposes.


All ears.

[Duke Newcombe]

10. That was a rhetorical question, riiiiiight?

I was just oberving that the pissed off fifteen year old was engaging in generalizations about who is against contraception. No where in the screed did it read about people who want to make non-procreative sex illegal. I'd be interested in where you gleaned that.

Duke

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Okay. Define "against contraception".

And it's not a rhetorical question. I'd like you to elaborate, in specific detail, exactly what you're talking about-- and what the justifications are.

[SeattleGirl]

13. Hey, impeach, my post was not directed at you.

Just noticed I linked my post to yours, askign the other person to elaborate. I meant it to be a response to that person, not you. Sorry. :hi:

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Gotcha.

I think we're on the exact same page. ;-) :hi:

[SeattleGirl]

16. Cool!

Thanks much! :hi:

[SeattleGirl]

12. Actually, she did specify that she was talking about

freeper trolls, people who frequent Free Republic, and who think that all contraception should be banned. I know this young lady, and I know she would not have any judgment on people who chose, for whatever reason, to not use birth control. But that is THEIR choice. What the freeper trolls, the rightie fundies, etc., want is to be able to tell OTHER people what they can and cannot do where that issue is concerned. They have the attitude that they, and ONLY they, are right, that only THEIR views are correct, and that EVERYONE else is wrong, wrong, wrong.

And it is not really about contraception; it's about controlling a woman's body, about controlling and suppressing women. I made the choice years ago to not have any more children, but this issue is still extremely important to me, because I don't want other people deciding whether contraception (and, by extension, abortion) is okay.

And BTW, I hope you are not a troll, because I can promise, you will regret posting here. If you are just expressing your opinion, then welcome to DU.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. Still waitin' on that answer, Duke.

Wouldn't want us to think you were engaging in a little bit of the old "post-n-run", now, would you?

[Kiouni]

14. did you see the exhibit

about clothing and dresses made up of condoms? pretty cool didn't want to google the website I'm at work. But any way they made whole ballroom gowns out of black and translucent condoms.

[Redstone]

21. And, may I add, a very well-informed and intelligent fifteen-year-old.

Redstone