Women Asked to Leave Seminar

[Don_1967]

RIYADH, 22 November 2006 — A presenter from King Saud University at an international medical seminar at the King Faisal Specialist Hospital and Research Center caused a stir yesterday when he insisted that all women — including medical and media professionals — leave the room before he would enter the room to give his presentation. Initially some women expressed consternation at the request, but later relented and left the room so the doctor and orthodox man could give his presentation about Islam and the ethics of organ donation and end-of-life issues.

Prior to the presentation by Dr. Yousef Al-Ahmed, the audience was informed that the doctor would not be in the same room with women when he spoke about medical ethics
FULL STORY:http://arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=89107&d=22&m=11&y=2006

[FormerDittoHead]

1. Maybe they've never heard the riddle about: I can't operate on this patient, he's my son! n/t

[Botany]

2. funny I have never had the need to ask women to "get out" of .....

.... a room where I was ..... for some reason they wanted to get out.

Go figure? :rofl:

I wonder if Dr. Yousef Al-Ahmed was dying and needed a kidney and the only
one that matched was from a women if he would be so high and mighty?

[emald]

3. an archaic and stupid man. fuck islam. fuck all religion

[blue sky at night]

10. and you differ from him.......

how? In my book intolerance is intolerance, are you sure you belong here?

[Ecumenist]

23. Nice...

How is what you've expressed in the manner that you've expressed it any different from the extremist idiots like the subject of the article? Take a gander in the mirror friend... you might be surprised at who you actually see...

[Orsino]

4. With so many doctors around...

...you'd think this clown's cootiephobia could be treated.

[blogslut]

5. lol

cootiephobia. heehee

[havocmom]

7. If we touched him with a used tampon and he saw he still survived

perhaps it would help him overcome the irrational fear?

[Nobody]

12. Oh heaven's no! (big evil grin)

Even otherwise enlightened men still cringe when they see scenes of birth, whether vaginal or caesarean, on screen.

I went to see Way of the Gun with a male friend. He loves action adventure flicks, and so do I. He was OK with the scenes with the heroes getting shot at, leaping into shards of broken glass and having to pull a particularly long one out of his arm, but when the 9-month pregnant woman started giving birth, my friend couldn't watch.

Even though: In every movie with a pregnant woman, she gives birth. (exception: Fargo)

Even though: In every action movie with a pregnant woman, she not only gives birth, she does it during a shoot-em-up scene. Even Star Trek Next Generation had a ship to ship battle and a hostage crisis while Keiko O'Brien was giving birth to Molly.

My friend should have been ready for the birth. It would have been suprising if the character hadn't gone into labor.

On the other hand, this doctor should not go into Ob-Gyn, and he should be reminded that he has a mother who gave birth to him.

[donsu]

19. love you

nt

[havocmom]

22. Thanks, I could use all I can get

:hug:

havocmom,
member in good standing of UTERUS* ;)


*United To End Ridiculous Ultra-conservative Superstitions

[Botany]

13. cootiephobia

Coffee Spew!

:spray:

[PADemD]

6. Everyone should have walked out and let him talk to an empty room.

[maine_raptor]

8. This may get me flamed, but I gotta say it.

This man, in my eyes, has committed a "Criminal Act". Not the legal kind, but one that harms mankind nonetheless.

One of the things I've always felt about Islam is that, as a social movement, it is about 700 years behind Christianity.

Look at what Christians in the Western World were doing back then (sectarian violence), different standards for men & women ("professions" open for men, women need not apply), and religion was the foundation of laws and regulations (Divine Rights and all that).

Now while we in the Christian West have moved substantially away from that (and still a lot more to go, IMHO), over in the East Islamic World everything we Christians went through back then is as big a deal there as it was back then here.

Yes, we in the West still have some idiots here and now that want to return to those "good old days", but by in large, we have come to embrace the secular way of living and lifestyle.

My hope is that somehow humans will overcome and outgrow this desire to make life conform to spiritual path and instead learn and take to heart something that seems to be common with in all religions and known by most as: "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Then Do Unto You."

Because then we would not have situations where half the human brains in the world are excluded from from this man's thoughts and ideas. Thoughts and ideas that may have stimulated the same in those brains and thus brought about a future betterment of the Human Condition.

That is the real crime here.

Edit for typo

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. Kindly realize that this man is a fundamentalist

and that like fundamentalists of any faith, has notions that don't sit well with the majority of the general public.

Actually, during the Western Dark Ages, when women were little more than chattel, Islamic women were given the right to own property, have a profession, be given rights to child support in case of divorce, and to basically be a full partner in marriage. In progressive Muslim sects, this is still the case, and more. In Islamic Sufi orders, leaders are women-check out the Helveti-Jarrahi Order in NYC, for example. In universal Sufi orders like mine, our prayers are gender neutral, and again women hold senior leadership positions. (see http://www.churchofall.us/prayers.html ).

I think one of the reasons we only hear of fundamentalist shenanigans like this is that the western media has an agenda to paint ALL of Islam as "other". I know that there have been many times when there have been interfaith conferences in this country and they weren't covered by the media--they don't consider it "news" to report when Muslims are trying to get along with others.

The other goal of the media is to make people think that all of Islam is like the fundamentalists, which is preposterous. Islam is one of the world's largest religions, and, like Christianity and Judaism, has different sects. I think it sad that most Muslims I meet from other countries are aware of the range of Christian belief, while the typical American thinks all Muslims are alike, and that we Americans have some magical power to change the fundamentalists but that we just choose not to use it. Like a Christian from Unity or the Episcopalian Church has no say on what the Pope or the Southern Baptists do, we Sufis don't have any say on what the Wahhabists do. In Saudi Arabia, it is forbidden to openly practice our faith; in Iran, thousands of Sufis have been arrested, and some tortured, because of liberal views. Of course, this is not reported in the MSM for the reasons cited above.

[maine_raptor]

17. Thank you for the enlightenment.

I did know that women were allowed to have the status you state in some Islamic communities, but from my eyes, and here I do admit to seeing the data through media colored glasses (though I have to say that read a LOT more overseas reports than the average American Citizen), it appears that Islam (as a social movement) is moving backward. Look at the growing movements for strict Islamic based law in Egypt, Africa, and others.

And this is a much stronger movement back toward a fundamentalist bent then the one existing here in the West. This fact is what makes me wonder if the difference in time (length of existence) is the cause.

To me, religion has always been a hobble to mankind; something that has inhibited intellectual growth because of it's very nature (faith vs science).

And yes, I did realize that this man was a Fundamentalist, but sometimes the exception proves the rule, eh?

[donsu]

20. I point finger at the so called men in the audience that did not leave

with the women

[Ecumenist]

24. Amen, Ayeshahaqqiqa!!

I'm Christian and I just don't understand why why people don't understand that what these peole espouse has nothing to do with Islam; rather their intepretation of it..Fundamentalist ANYTHING is a problem because often those practising their forms of fundamentalism is ALWAYS going to believe that their way is the ONLY way be they Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, etc. Almost invariably, their practises involve "eliminating" those they define as heretical,through social, political and eventually, physically.

Fundamentalist sects are often the very picture of cults and often evolve from local CULTURAL TRADITION, not the founding tenets of whatever faith they follow.

[hlthe2b]

16. Have you all never heard of "Promise Keepers"

This "Xian" men's group holds conventions throughout the US (maybe elsewhere by now) and when they move into a big hotel/convention center it is just appalling. I know because I overlapped a business trip in Atlanta, was checking out a bit late and had to have the hotel desk staff help me get the hell out of there. These "Xian" men are so into themselves they literally bump women out of the way, refuse to even acknowedge that you are there, because women are to be "subservient to them" so they feel no need to even be a "f..king" human being around women.

The hotel staff apologized all over themselves and said they don't even have their own female staff work when PK are in town because of the rudeness...

So, many fundie "Christians" are certainly no more enlightened than this Muslim jerk.

[maine_raptor]

18. Yes I know the PK

Bunch of them here in small town Maine, believe it or not.

But it's not only the PK, but tons of other groups here in the "enlightened" West.

Please note the line in my orignal reply post:

"some idiots here and now that want to return to those "good old days" ".

I just lumped them all together, that's all.

[Nobody]

9. That's when the fake beard comes out

With the right makeup, any woman can disguise herself. I wonder what it is that this doctor doesn't want us females hearing.

[NC_Nurse]

11. The words "orthodox" or "fundamantalist" as I think of them

seem to be inconsistent with the word "doctor" to me. How can you believe in the literal version of any religious dogma
and be a good physician or scientist? This man is not a doctor IMO. :eyes:

[dubykc]

14. He is obviously an ethicist, since ethics and end-of-life issues...

was his topic. It's entirely possible he isn't a MEDICAL Doctor at all. He possibly merely holds a PhD.

[OzarkDem]

21. Backwards, ignorant people

I suppose they still think the world is flat and the universe revolves around the earth.

This has nothing to do with religion or faith, its just idiotic.