If You had to Choose One: Constitutional Democracy OR Corporate Fascism?

[omega minimo]

We The People are The Deciders.

[hsher]

1. Don't we currently live under the second one?

[omega minimo]

3. I we accept that, what does that make us?

The time to decide is Now

[hsher]

18. I haven't accepted and won't accept it

Just watch me and wait. Something's planned. It's positive, and it's going to help us, but the establishment won't like it at all.

[Benhurst]

2. I've grown tired of BushAmerica's Corporate Fascism. I'd like

the Republic to be restored.

[porphyrian]

4. Apparently we do have to choose...

...because if we leave it to other people, we get the latter.

[omega minimo]

5. Congress Dems need us to back em up to do the right thing

Hi P. In the mix of false premises, false choices and poor prognosticating, there isn't much mention of what Dems on The Hill may be afraid of. This dance of words and "off the table" business seems about more than strategery...................... ?

[porphyrian]

7. Yeah, I don't know. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt...

...but I've been burned and sold out enough by politicians that they're going to have to earn my trust with some solid representative action. I'm more optimistic of our near future than I've been in years, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Then, if they don't impress me pretty quickly with some trust-building, I'm putting some fire to their asses. Our ancestors didn't die so that we could live in a fascist state.

[omega minimo]

9. 2 wrds

Magna. Carta.

[porphyrian]

14. I'm a fan of the U.S. Constitution. I wish more people were. - n/t

[elocs]

6. We live in a representative democracy.

The people may be the deciders in the long run, but in the short run it is the elected representatives who are the deciders. And a good percentage of "the people" have opted out of the system. Isn't what they call a "push poll" designed to get the result you desire? Really, you should be more clever.

[omega minimo]

8. These are the real choices, not the false choices currently in vogue here

false choices based on false premises.

And it challenges another false assumption:

"And a good percentage of "the people" have opted out of the system."

That's a vote for the second choice.


Really, you should be less snide. :hi:

[elocs]

13. Well, when 40% or so of the eligible voters do not vote in a presidential election,

I view that as opting out. They are not part of the people who are the deciders and they are a big chunk. Isn't the poll kind of like asking "when did you stop beating your wife"? I thought I was being snide in the proper measure. :)

[omega minimo]

28. Snide is as snide does

:evilgrin:

Has that percentage been updated since Nov. 7, 2006?



Anyway, ya got me. What I meant was that the false assumption is owned of those (whatever percentage) who don't vote and are actually voting for the second choice.

All those who think they can sit back and watch this trainwreck from the sidelines are mistaken.

[Crunchy Frog]

10. Is this a trick question?

Or are you trying to lure some unsuspecting FReepers?

Maybe I should start my own poll:

Which would you prefer?
a.A Vacation in Tahiti
b.Major Bowel Surgery
:evilgrin:

[porphyrian]

12. How do we know major bowel surgery isn't part of the first option?

Maybe you're trying to trick us, too...

[Crunchy Frog]

16. Well, I guess if I HAD to have major bowel surgery

it would be nicer if I got a Tahitian vacation thrown into the bargain. :shrug:

[omega minimo]

24. LOL. What we know for sure is NOT being able to afford it when you need it

and/or being thrown into bankruptcy-- er, em, well since that's not an option-- into THE STREETS, is a real possibility for a majority of Americans now, under the first one..................

[leftofthedial]

11. to get a constitutional democracy

will require a revolution

and a near-complete shackling of the capitalists.

[omega minimo]

25. we is screwn

that would require an informed and engaged public

[magellan]

15. The Republic is dead

And like Rome under Caesar Augustus onward, we won't see its return -- until we do something to reign in the power of corporations within our government.

[omega minimo]

26. "Don't give them any more of your money than you have to" -----Jello Biafra

:think:

[Anarcho-Socialist]

17. I would refer to the current system as corporate oligarchy

or corporate plutocracy if one was to be more exact.

[omega minimo]

30. thank you. that's what I had in mind when I op'd. and anyone

paying attention notices these people already look damaged by inbreeding (why do Repug leaders always have eyes that point in two directions?) :scared:

[dorkulon]

19. If you had to choose one: Chocolate Pudding OR Being Kicked in the Face?

What is the point of this poll?

[davidinalameda]

20. how hard am I being kicked

and how crappy is the pudding?

[earth mom]

21. Only 90%?!

:wtf:

Why anyone would choose to give up what this country was founded upon-By and For The People-and let some selfish greedy bastards control everyone for the sake of the almighty dollar-their dollars mind you-is beyond me. Without the Constitution this country is nothing. Who in their right mind wants to become peons, serfs, slaves?!

The Constitution is Freedom!

[omega minimo]

27. All right smarty pants

:yoiks: :hi: !!!!!!!!!!! just joshin ya, TheGoldenRule (with porphyrian here, two of my favorite all time DU handles) I appreciate and relate to your outrage and you sound, well, educated.............

I think we are seeing the outcome of the (intentional) breakdown in education and civic (such an uncool word :sarcasm:) awareness; On Top Of the voluntary disempowerment of SOME post-Boomers who "rebel" by not giving a shit......


The problem here is we are all in this fishbowl. The Boomers learned that responsibility came with the rights. It's time to reinstill that notion. If Boomers have to get a spanking for tuning out and Gen XYZ needs to get their ennui washed out with soap SO BE IT!!!!!!!!111

:yourock:

[earth mom]

34. Not trying to be a smarty pants actually....

just my Irish temper getting the best of me! :hide:

BTW-loved your post-you have a way with words! :yourock:

[EdwardM]

22. A Constitutional democracy, but without a military draft please!

[omega minimo]

23. IMHO

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2799905&mesg_id=2801542

[H2O Man]

29. Nominated.

Thanks.

[omega minimo]

31. Happy Holidays H2O Man. Mebbe I said this before:

we need a forum or research thread for informative posts about impeachment, such as were provided in recents weeks, collected and available for those interested in facts rather than "spin."

:hi:


(see, there's at least two votes for "need more info on this Constitutional thingy!)

[U4ikLefty]

32. I dunno...WalMart has low prices. Hmmm, what if I drive an SUV???

See if I can buy my kid's diapers cheap then I can keep on smoking & buying my cut-rate electronic crap. Who cares if one more worker is "exploited", feh!!!

BTW, :sarcasm:

[omega minimo]

33. you got it. and folks are starting to figger out that that "exploited worker"

is us :eyes: