I keep seeing right wing sites post about "negroids"

[Erika]

To whom are they referring? I've never heard of a whiteoid or a hispanicoid or an asianoid.

Do these people know how stupid and racist they sound?

[BlooInBloo]

1. Welcome to another episode of Simple Answers To Simple Questions!

(copyright, Atrios)

Yes.

[liberaldemocrat7]

53. Repeat after me. RE PUBLI KLAN Party

RE PUBLI KLAN Party

[ret5hd]

2. Those who write "negroids" are probably "necroids"...

get it?

[TahitiNut]

3. That word came into use in 1865-70.

First as an adjective, it became a noun as well. (It's a living language, even if the brains behind it are dead.)

[BlooInBloo]

17. In case people would like one of several possible fishing poles....

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=negroid&searchmode=none

[Skittles]

4. well Erika, they are stupid and racist

that's why they are right-wingers

[WindRavenX]

5. i lurve you

:D

[Skittles]

9. HOWDY THAR WINDDRAVEN!

NEGROIDS? I CAN'T TAKE IT I TELL YOU. :o

[BikeWriter]

44. Are you going to kick their ass?

:hi:

[nofurylike]

49. eloquent. eom

[NEOBuckeye]

6. A substitute for a certain offensive n-word

Which they somehow think is better, even when they mean the same thing. Go figure.

[Erika]

10. How sick and out of touch they are

We are one country of many colors and ethnicities. Yet they, in their racism, stuck an "oid" on to the Blacks.

I hope they will be seen and known as the hate mongers they are.

[orleans]

39. i don't think it's a matter of them being "out of touch" as you said.

i think it's a matter of them being sarcastic fucking asshole racists.

[tritsofme]

7. Its an archaic scientific term

that refers to the peoples of sub-Saharan Africa.

The other main groups being Mongoloid and Caucasoid.

As I said most of those terms are outdated and archaic, and used mostly by racists as a way to denigrate.

[Gormy Cuss]

8. Caucasoid is a term. Feel free to use it.

Course, then you ought to explain to the Caucasoid in question that some of them Muslims from Africa are Caucasoids too.

Mongoloid is the now retired term for Asian and no, the people using the word "negroid" have no idea how stupid they sound but they probably don't give two hoots about sounding racist.

[Catherine Vincent]

15. If a white person called me a "negroid", I'd get back at them by

calling them a "cockasoid". :P

[Gormy Cuss]

22. Hooked on phonics works for me!

:rofl:

[Erika]

32. LMAO

We have to learn to fight using their terms.

[trof]

75. Circa 1950 we were taught about the 3 major racial groups

in my all white Birmingham grammar school.
Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negroid.
I never figured out why we were "ians", and they were "oids".
:shrug:

[Solo_in_MD]

76. Actually it was Caucasoid

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. Not just right-wing sites.

There was an item up over at HuffPo today, about the two guys involved in the Michael Richards thing. One of the commentators used that word many times. There were many other racist posts.

The comments section at HuffPo is becoming a real toilet.

[Erika]

14. Did they talk about Hispanicnoids or Asianoids?

Truly interesting to me.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

16. No.

It was all about black people, with varying degrees of offensiveness.

This administration and the repukes have done a very fine job of stealthily marketing racism and ethnicism as respectable. It has given the vermin permission to slither out from under their wet rocks and buy computers.

[hsher]

12. They're really obsessed with us

Why do racists hate us so much? I've never done anything to a white person in my life; why are we singled out for such specific, relentless racism? Is it our hair? Our noses, our lips? Our color? Are we not "behaving ourselves" to a certain standard? What IS that standard? I mean, racists hate everybody - especially themselves. But blacks are singled out for what I would consider a rather sensational, fiery, avid, obsessive hatred.

Damn, what did I do?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

13. It's the melanin.

Quick visual cues like that are important for those whose only functioning brain area is the medulla oblongata.

[EFerrari]

18. Is that what is known as the brain stem?

Because I'd be surprised if freepoids were even that developed.

"These collections of nerve cells at the anterior (front) end of the earthworm and in the head of the insect represent the "brain" of these animals."

[hsher]

20. Well said

It's sad, too, isn't it? Just a skin tone chemical. Jeez, really sad. :)

[Erika]

19. I don't know. I've asked myself that a thousand times

Blacks, in slavery, built this country. The Black leaders range from Booker T Washington to MLK. People of infinite knowledge, wisdom, and honor.

Maybe it's a guilt thing.

[hsher]

21. It makes me sad

Edited to add:

Plus, being Jewish on top of it... life has been no picnic :(
Ah well. Onward and upward for all of us.

[AspenRose]

79. That which does not kill me makes me stronger.

Repeat often. :hug:

[hsher]

80. You're back!

Hey girl, when are we gonna meet? Stephen's looking for you!

[Trajan]

23. Notions of superiority ...

Were enforced through social regimes based on economic strata over the centuries ... Rich or wannabe rich white Europeans rationalized their 'theft' of human beings by demonizing them, making them appear subhuman, and therefore, available for economic exploitation ... and that stigma still lives in the hearts of some whites, expecially those who are weak and stuck in their own helplessness .... It gives them a scapegoat to blame ....

The difference in color between negro and white is stark, and this made their job of demonization easier .. but that didnt stop them from also demonizing and dengrating other groups: The Irish, the Italians, the Polish are examples of white exploitation, which, while the exploitation wasnt as deep and complete as that of blacks, they were considered pariahs and undesireable among the 'gentry' which formed the 'citzenry' of Europe and America over the last 400 years ....

As a white man, I was as a child taught to think negatively of blacks by my father, who was a Tennessee ignoramus ... I was fortunate to have a progressive thinking mother who was born in Brooklyn, and who had black friends, and she completely REJECTED my dad's way, and insisted I and my siblings NEVER consider blacks as inferior, and explained why ....

I get so upset when I see something like Richard's tirade ... NOT because it exposed some whites as still harboring racism, since I think that sunlight is necessary for everyone to see the reality ... but because I believe that racism against blacks WILL die, and I sometimes pretend that it is dead already .... Having rejected my father's stupid pronouncements so long ago, I have believed that things have improved SO much that we are so very close in that regard ...

Hun ? .... I cannot explain why some people still harbor these ugly feelings ... It doesnt make sense to me .... and if I could apologize in a way that meant something to you, I would ... But I dont control the world .... There are lots of stupid people who do lots of stupid things in this world, and I cannot fix them, other than to shine the light on them, if I can ....

Know this: the bulk of white americans abhor racism, and are glad to share their lives with their fellow human beings of ANY color or ethnicity ... There are a few bad apples, like in any group, but I think it is obvious by the response to Richards (Whom I have ALWAYS adored as Kramer) that white citizens, on the whole, reject that thinking ....

Richards is done for .... His career is over ....

You didnt do anything but be a decent human being ... and I love you for that ....

[Erika]

31. Agreed...The bulk of Americans hate racism with all their being

and find it profoundly sad.

[NMMNG]

24. They've gotten away with the blatant, virulent homophobia

Now they want to usher in the return of blatant, virulent racism.

[BlooInBloo]

25. Oh. My. God. As **IF** it ever left. Another form of DU racism-denial.

EDIT: Yah, that mighta been a little bit melodramatic. I stand by the content of the remark, but I apologize ever so slightly for the drama.

[Trajan]

26. Geez Louise ....

Cmon down like a ton of bricks on us ? ....

[BlooInBloo]

28. Well I *did* apologize for specifically that, it should be noted.

[Trajan]

29. Duly Noted .. and Thanks ....

Thank the stars for one-hour edit periods ....

[BlooInBloo]

30. Indeed. Though I don't prefer to delete substantive content, even if mistaken.

It just seems dishonest to me somehow.

Syntax and related corrections may of course be made.

EDIT: The point is: the above explains why I didn't delete my hissy-fit.

[NMMNG]

33. I'm not claiming that racism went away

I'm just saying there are those that would like to take it back to its pre-Civil Rights days, making desegregation a thing of the past and eradicating any and all protections blacks have against discrimination and hate crimes.



edit for word error

[Erika]

34. Many right wing sites show a hatred of anyone Black

And the Blacks as everything wrong in this country. It needs to come out and be dealt with.

I read the right wing sites about their absolute loathing of anyone Black.

[NMMNG]

51. RWers seem to hate anyone who is not a White Christian

And preferably a male White Christian.

[BlooInBloo]

35. The claim is contained by implication in what you said. Unless you've edited it away.

[NMMNG]

50. Oh jesus

Whatever. :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

52. Jesus don't got nuthin to do with your false presupposition.

[NMMNG]

54. You're the one reading stuff into what I said

I never claimed what you seem to think I did and I don't know where you got the idea from. You can't seem to distinguish gradiations is what it appears.

[BlooInBloo]

58. Hint: Your false claims would have more 'oomph' if you used actual words.

[NMMNG]

60. Hint: I didn't make any false claims

You falsely claimed I did.

[BlooInBloo]

62. Daayuum. Not only can you not reliably tell the difference between a word and a non-word....

... You can't even make up your own snark.

Gotta love genius DUers.

[NMMNG]

63. .....

Do you aspire to be a colossal pain in everyones' backside, or do you reserve that pleasure for specific people?

Feel free to go hump a piece of splintered balsa wood any time.

[BlooInBloo]

64. Nah - just those who, like you, support the sodomizing of black folks with wood....

http://time-proxy.yaga.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,991141,00.html

[NMMNG]

66. You play the victim well

I merely gave you the option, I never advocated forcing the activity on anyone. Unfortunately some see racism in every little statement and under every rock.

[BlooInBloo]

67. i KNOW, right? Damn oversensitive negroes. Finally something we agree on!

[NMMNG]

68. You said it, not me

But when you take my post denouncing the racism of the Right Wing and turn it into my being a racist there's certainly a problem. :scared:

[BlooInBloo]

69. Ironic, isn't it?

EDIT: Especially in light of the fact that... well... nah - we'll let you discover it on your own. I should start a pool on whether you'll discover the FACT first, or which non-word you falsely believe to be a word first. Or neither, of course.

Smart money's on neither. I'm not completely sold, however.

[NMMNG]

70. Semantics

Eschew obfuscation.

[Poll_Blind]

27. Negroid, Caucasoid, Australoid & Mongoloid are all forensic anthropology...

...terms. I have always come across them in relation to the differences between the skulls of (essentially) blacks, whites and asians. The terminology itself (Negroid, Caucasoid, etc.) is a bit dated though and like many anthropological terms it's ripe for abuse by those with less-than-scientific intentions.

  In fact, I'm sure there are a number of interesting books which solely cover the ways which forensic anthropology has been misused for political/racist propaganda purposes.

This Wiki seems to cover some of the history of the terms: Their use, misuse and waning popularity.

OnEdit: Topic seemed too familiar and I checked in my little stack of "to read" books. Found "The Mismeasure of Man" by Stephen Jay Gould, which goes into this topic quite a bit.

PB

[Boo Boo]

38. Yes, but "Negroid" is clearly not consistent with the naming convention. /nt

[tritsofme]

55. Consistent, but archaic.

From a time when the proper term for Africans was still "Negro"

Some modern anthropologists have adopted the term "Africoid"

[Hekate]

65. Those were the terms used when I took Anthro 101 abour 40 years ago. Language changes with time.

Ye gods, I can't believe it's been that long.

When I was growing up in California and Hawaii, far from the Southern US in other words, the everyday terms for "white" and "black" people were Caucasian and Negro. (I myself am pinkish with freckles, rather than strictly white, while my next door neighbor was more a mahogany brown rather than black, but you get the idea.) The "-oid" words were academic/scholarly.

Times change, language changes, and now all those terms sound dated. :shrug:

Hekate

[Xithras]

36. Even among anthropologists, Negroid has been abandoned.

As anthropology moved from physical into genetic divisions, it was discovered that there are three, not two, major divisions among the black race. It's been known for a very long time that the aboriginal blacks in Asia and Australia are only very distantly related to African blacks, which is why the two were originally designated into two groups...Negroid and Australoid. It turns out that even in Africa there is a major division among the population. Black Africans in central and eastern Africa are now classified as Congoid, while southern Africans are classified as Capoid. There are also several smaller population groups which may be remnants of additional racial groups (or simply small divergent branches of existing groups which may have developed further if they had been left alone). The problem is that the original classifications were based on the color of their skins, and early white anthropologists believed that a black was a black, and that everything else was irrelevant. Scientists understand today that there is more genetic diversity in the black African population than in all of the other human populations combined.

[Erika]

37. Fascinating...Congoid and Capoid

I just thought we were all people.

[Tunkamerica]

40. yeah...but

Science shouldn't be concerned with the politics of all this stuff. We are "all just people", but science exists to explain. It explores race not because it wishes to separate, but because it hopes to explain. The scientific names for distinctions in race don't need to be called racist or avoided as long as they are used in the right context. Are the scientists studying these distinctions racist themselves? Do we make that leap automatically? I don't think we should.

[BlooInBloo]

45. Nope. Terminology commonly has presuppositions....

If you don't wish to subscribe to the presuppositions, then you more-or-less have to eschew the terminology.

Google "Dummett Boche" for a fuller version of the story I'm waving my hands at here, if interested.

[Tunkamerica]

56. you'll have to summarize that for me

I tried three links and they were all journals that were subscription based.

But I don't believe that to be true. What are the suppositions of Capoid? That you come from a certain place? That you share certain characteristics with others from the same area. I don't think the words have any suppositions except for the ones you bring to them. For me, Capoid and Congoid are new words. Someone who sees labels as divisive is adding extra meaning to the words they don't have.

To tell the whole truth: I'm 27. I learned the words Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid in college. Do the math. I had no idea the terms were hopelessly out of date. I also had no reason to believe they were in any way racist (except in the obvious way that they deal with race). I went to a very liberal college and a liberal 45 year old Canadian was my teacher and used the words. The words themselves aren't racist. If they are used to bolster racist claims then look at the claims, not the words that were co-opted.

[BlooInBloo]

59. This suffices. I wouldn't have said a lot of the things the author said the WAY...

... the author said them, but the gist is nevertheless clear enough.

http://www.otago.ac.nz/philosophy/Staff/JoshParsons/papers/composition.pdf

[Erika]

47. When right wingers lump Blacks into a Negroid label

What's that all about? Are they scientists?

[Xithras]

41. We're all one species, yes.

Humans are animals, and as such are subject to the same evolutionary pressures as any other animal. Isolate two groups of the same species from each other, and eventually genetic drift will cause them to acquire traits that are different from each other. Isolate them long enough, and they'll eventually split to different species.

Geographic isolation caused modern homo sapiens to separate into different genetic groups, but our isolation wasn't long enough to divide us into different species (though according to some definitions, our modern period may be best described as a merging of human subspecies).

In a way, we're like the finches that Darwin studied on the Galapagos. Different colors, different beak adaptations, and even different mating calls and rituals. We look at Rock Finches and Cactus Finches as different species, but in reality they are all the same species of bird. Acknowledgling their differences for the sake of research and classification doesn't undermine the basic fact that they're all one big bird family. Acknowledging our own genetic differences for the sake of research is no different.

[BlooInBloo]

46. Neat trick, seeing as how biology doesn't acknowledge races.

[Spider Jerusalem]

43. Yes...

but most of the genetic diversity within the African population is in non-coding genes, and is the result of genetic drift; there's less diversity among non-African populations because they're descended from a relatively small number of early humans who left the African continent for Europe and Asia c. 35-40K years ago, whereas the African population was larger and more genetically diverse already than these small groups (the small size of the Asian and European founder populations led to greatly reduced genetic diversity, thanks to the amount of inbreeding).

[Igel]

77. Didn't know the term Capoid.

Obviously from 'Cape'. As in "of Good Hope."

But I haven't merged the Khoe-San with the surrounding Bantu (and related strains of humanity to the N. and E.) since the '80s. Too distinct in terms of hair, skin, teeth, Y-chromosome markings....

[and-justice-for-all]

42. ReichWingnoids are idiots...

I thought that was common knowledge.

[Erika]

48. that's right-wingidiotoids

Thanks for all the science education in this thread. I've learned a lot.

[Raine]

57. Blatant disrespect

for their fellow human beings and they get away with it, they make me sick. :mad:

[originalpckelly]

61. You know, maybe we should show that crap to the black Republicans...

then they might just see that the elephants are using them.

[seize the time]

71. I keep seeing right wing sites post about "negroids"

Could you post the links to these "hate" sites? Maybe we could we post 'en masse' on these sites and protest their racism?

[newyawker99]

78. Hi seize the time!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Mendocino]

72. Sounds like a term George Allen would use,or might he say maccaroid?

[izzie]

73. Sound like the three groups some one made up a few hundred years ago.

Some college guy classes every one and we can not stop doing it.

[Vinca]

74. Last night I heard the term used on a BBC show, "Cash In the Attic."

The appraiser described some of the black dolls a woman had as "negroid." I always thought the word was a bit archaic, but not a slur. Maybe the Republicans are trying to demonize it the way they've demonized "Democrat" as an adjective.