Uh--I'm pretty sure the the majority of DUers don't support the draft, but we love the bluff of it.

[trumad]

What, 10 days after Rangel announces that we should have a draft, Some DUers are still allowing the brilliant meme to go right over their heads.

Amazing isn't?

[Bonobo]

1. Sssshhhh!!! n/t

[Beam Me Up]

2. Why insult us?

It hasn't gone over my head at all. I think it is a very dangerous proposition even if the point is to have discussion. We need discussion but the draft issue is not the discussion we need to have.

[trumad]

4. Really--- Did you watch Lawrence O/Donnel the other night

going after the chickenhawks?

It may not be something great for faint-hearted Dems, but I aint faint hearted....

[Beam Me Up]

9. Yeah, you're gonna more than faint if there is another false-flag

operation against this country. It could happen in a heart beat and the very bill Rangel is putting forward could be amended to give rich kids an loop hole and passed in one day. The only thing that slowed the neocon imperialists down is that they didn't have a standing army to occupy Afghanistan, Iraq and to invade Iran. That is what they want and if they have to kill 3,000 citizens of 3,000 soldiers to get it they'll do it and not look back. The problem you and so many Democrats have is that you still refuse to see the reality of the situation we're in. This is not politics as usual and hasn't been for six god damned years.

[trumad]

6. And BTW:

whay is that insulting you? You do know its a bluff---and if you do know...then it didn't go over your head.... hence, I'm not talking about you.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

3. Some of us don't think it's brilliant in any way, strategy, bluff or otherwise.

[trumad]

5. Really

I see a talking point that we can really nail the chickenhawks with....

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

12. trumad, we just disagree on this, no hard feelings from my end. I think that the current state

of the American general population is way too simple minded for this to work out any way except as an extreme negative for the Democratic party.

I think that now that Democrats will actually have the majority and the ability to make laws and not just provocative proposals with no chance to pass, that they should do so, whether it's on important issues that should be relatively non controversial and popular, like min. wage, Medicare pharm. price negotiation, voting/election reform, eliminating earmarks and other incentives for corruption, campaign finance reform, etc.

I think if the Bush/Republican war policy is to be challenged, the best way is through serious debate and possibly disapproving funding, since the Democrats HAVE been elected with a mandate to change our current situation, all Republican spin nonwithstanding.

I personally feel the Rangel proposal is the opposite of brilliant. I thought so the first time I ever heard of it a long time ago, I feel this way even more so now that the majorities are achieved. We on this board can have honest disagreement without one side being accused of "not getting it", I hope.

[MethuenProgressive]

7. Yup, some DUer though it was to "teach kids disipline"

I support bringing back the draft. To teach our LEADERS disipline.

[tkmorris]

15. Yes, well.........

Some DU'ers love to be outraged. They just can't help themselves. They know the things they say are just silly but if they admit to that then they couldn't be all self-righteously indignant about it.

[MadHound]

8. Trouble is, sometimes the bluff is taken seriously

And that is what appears to be happening with Rangel's bill. He was proposing this a couple of years ago, trying to make a point. Now all the sudden this nonsense is being considered seriously on its own merit. Bad, bad, bad. You enact a draft and you've given Bushco enough warm body to fulfill his PNAC dreams. Not a good idea.

[Beam Me Up]

10. It is insulting to say it went over my head. It didn't. n/t

Edit: This was supposed to be in reply to #6.

[Guaranteed]

11. You're not doing his idea justice. He not only believes it,

he's right.

It's about time everyone had a personal stake in our foreign affairs.

[Generic Other]

13. They have been beating me over the head repeatedly with that meme

and it has really made me leery of this place all of a sudden.

Thanks Trumad.

[H2O Man]

14. No.

They are right.

[MichiganVote]

16. Any rep. who has the time to "bluff" the american public or his colleagues

deserves to leave office. No one sent rep.'s to Congress to waste time bluffing people. We have seen enough bullshit the last six years. And BTW, some undetermined number of people on DU and probably elsewhere really DO support a draft.

[BlackVelvet04]

17. It's immoral to bluff when you are

betting with other people's lives.