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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:35 PM
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Watching Previews of "Bobby" and Memories of a HORRIBLE Summer of 1968.
I've never seen the movie "JFK". My feelings were somewhat like John F Kennedy jr's. For me, it could never be entertainment.

I will see "Bobby". To me, it is no more entertainment than "JFK", but my wife wants to see it, and I can't argue that it appears to be a good movie. Even an idiot like rush limpballs would nave to admit it has a wonderful cast. I will see it because my wife, the lovely and infrequently posting ChicaAzul, wants to see it. My wife is 8+ years younger than I, didn't grow up in a political family and is deservedly proud of her Puerto Rican culture.

And she was a baby when President Kennedy was assassinated. She was in Kindergarten when Bobby was killed. I was 8 & 13. She didn't experience it the way I did. I know that many did not, so I will appreciate your indulgence while I try to explain my experience. Maybe I speak for some others here.

America, and the world, were different back then. In 1968, in my world, Dr. Doom, Lex Luthor & Red Skull were evil. We trusted Presidents, even if we didn't want them to win again. The assassination of JFK was an tragic aberration. Bobby was going to be president and finish his brother's mission. Bobby was going to pick up the torch that had been passed to the new generation. He would get us out of Vietnam, make Civil Rights a reality, help the average American (rich or poor or black or white) reach the New Frontier and be one of the greatest presidents ever.

In my then 13 year old memory, there were 2 major American cities that had no unrest when Martin Luther King was shot. Philadelphia, in the midst of frank rizzo's reign of terror as police commissioner, and Indianapolis, where Bobby Kennedy went to the African American Community and talked with them like they were human beings, fellow Americans and people who had suffered a devastating loss of a beloved leader. He spoke with compassion, love and tenderness (in spite of his reputation for being "ruthless").

A mere 2 months later, on the night of one of his greatest political triumphs, moments after saying "...on to Chicago and lets win there!", after I went to bed, my father came and woke me up. He said "Somebody just shot Bobby". That was in the early AM of June 5, 1968. After 24 ours of hope, desperation and sadness, I woke up on June 6, 1968 and asked my mother how Bobby was. She told me that he'd passed away, and I felt like I was walking through jello for the next week and was never in more than a slightly alert daze. I was at the side of the railway for the train carrying Bobby from New York to Arlington. I waved to Ethel and the kids when the train went by.

Worst of all, in November, richard nixon was elected president.

JFK, MLK & RFK were all dead and tricky dick was in the white house.

Today, I know that Bobby had his shortcomings. I know that his nomination was not a certainty, given that most of the delegates had been preselected for the purpose of re-nominating LBJ and would have probably voted for Hubert Humphrey. But I still hold Bobby very close to my heart. He was the first candidate I worked for. He was the first presidential candidate I shook hands with and spoke to. He was the one who made me believe that I could have an effect on the course of my country.

As I said earlier, I was 8 when President Kennedy died and 13 when Bobby did. I believe that for me, Bobby's loss was the bigger loss. To this day, I can't listen to "Abraham, Martin and John" without a huge lump in my throat.

And so, I will go to see "Bobby" because my wife wants to. I will almost certainly leave the theater in tears. They will be the genuine tears of a horrible loss for myself and my country, not the phony manipulated tears I saw from air-headed yupsters when "Forest Gump" came out.

And I will always mourn for what we might have had, as opposed to what we did have. Thats my perspective, perhaps not as eloquent as others, not even as eloquent as I can be. I'm writing on emotion. Thanks for reading and any comments.

Unless, of course you're a lurking freeper, in which case you can bite my ass. My insurance covers penicillin.

PEACE!





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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:41 PM
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1. If they bite you hell you will need an IV
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:57 PM
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7. True, I would have said...
...to kiss my ass, but from a freeper? YUCK!
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:43 PM
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2. MLK & RFK both died in the spring of 1968...The neocons always kill
Edited on Sun Nov-26-06 05:46 PM by GreenTea
off the peoples liberal leaders, and progressive thinkers... JFK, MLK, RFK, Paul Wellstone, John Lennon, even potential liberal leaders like John Jr...This has happened all through out history...kill off the people's liberal progressive leaders to silence them.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:49 PM
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4. They tried, but failed, to get FDR.
I still think it's the same bunch throughout.

I can't get over all the sickeness of this country.

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:07 PM
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14. The Right is very adept at finding "useful idiots".
Unfortunately for them, this time they picked a useless idiot.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:58 PM
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8. If I were a Democratic leader,...
...I'd stay AWAY from small planes!
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:48 PM
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3. I adored Jack and I hated Bobby! I was an adult in 1968 and will
never forget it,but I won't go see the movie.

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:00 PM
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10. I Know Many Hated Bobby. Almost 40 years later,...
...I'm not interested in the whys.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:51 PM
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5. I wish I could have seen the train, at least. I envy you that.
Our generation never got over those assassinations. It broke us.

I don't know if I will have the will to see it. I barely was able to watch RFK on pbs.

Give a report, will ya?

Thanks!
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:02 PM
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11. I Was With My Uncle & Cousins.
I'll report on the movie when we see it.
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VaTF1 Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 05:53 PM
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6. Like the day of the Moon Landing, that fateful day in Memphis,
And that day in November 63, I also remember that June day at the Ambassador Hotel. Bobby had his faults as the Attorney General in his brother's administration. But, he also had more of a fight in him to continue the fight for civil rights in this country, than his brother (JFK) did. I cannot go see the movie, it is still very fresh in my mind of seeing the assassin firing his gun, and Rosey Grier doing a job of protecting others when the S.S.Detail failed.

Whatever one thinks of the "Kennedy" name, one thing they cannot be faulted for; their dedication to continuing to serve as tragedy followed their family.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:04 PM
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12. Rosey Greer & Rafer Johnson.
2 Heroes in a tragedy.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:09 PM
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22. We in Massachusetts remember the moon landing week-end as
the Chappaquiddick weekend.

What a couple of days they were!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 10:45 AM
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25. Hi VaTF1!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:00 PM
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9. RFK...
Edited on Sun Nov-26-06 06:00 PM by Red Zelda
would have been swept into the presidency in 1968, ended the Vietnam War, saved thousands of soldiers' lives, been re-elected in 1972. Nixon never would've been president. Reagan then would have won in 1976, bringing a far different result for his "legacy." And who knows what that would have meant for the 80s??
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:05 PM
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13. He'dHave Won...
...IF he'd been nominated.

Nixon was reportedly SICK at the thought of losing to another Kennedy.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:19 PM
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15. Even more important, he was determined to end poverty.
We wouldn't have seen the huge numbers of homeless people we now have, and this would be a very different, more equitable, nation.

Which is why he wasn't allowed to live.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:25 PM
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16. I was also a child old enough to remember that summer
including the columns of smoke rising from the city (DC) during the rioting after the assassination of Dr. King.

And old enough to remember the somber silence in which the crowd stood as Bobby passed us in a slow train, flowers on the track.

Having prayed so hard for him to come through, it came as a devastating realization that sometimes God didn't listen, even when it was *really* important.

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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:28 PM
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17. The Day JFK was shot was the end of American "Invincibility",...
...when MLK & RFK were killed, THAT was the true end of American "Innocence".

At least in my opinion.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:11 PM
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23. Yes, I agree.
It was an odd sensation to feel my own and the rest of the country's innocence die that day.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 07:21 PM
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26. A Horrible Time...
...that I hope my son never has to experience in his life.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 06:46 PM
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18. And JFK had defeated Nixon in 1960 to win the presidency.
Astounding how much tragedy, cover-up, conspiracy theories and general skulduggery revolve around Nixon and his cronies. It's time to shine a lot more light on the Nixon Nexus of Evil.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 07:21 PM
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19. One Intolerable RW Lie...
...is that JFK stole the election.

Usually they cite Illinois. they forget that anything that Daley did in Chicago was matched by the gop in the southern part of the state. ALSO, taking the electoral vote from JFK and giving it to nixon would still have resulted in a Kennedy win.

republicans hate study of History almost as much as they hate the study of REAL Science.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 07:53 PM
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20. Just got home from Bobby
cried like a baby. The music, the characters. It was so nostalgic. Great movie.

Bobby was killed the day I graduated High School. We were warming to him but were McCarthy people because we were so against the war.

Go, and then lets have a thread for people who have seen it or don't plan to. I went "cold" and don't want to give it away. (Yeah, I knew he died.)

While we're on the subject, don't miss The Queen. It's about so much more than you think.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 08:58 PM
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21. Thanks for he feedback and the review!
As for "The Queen", I LOVE Helen Mirren!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-26-06 09:25 PM
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24. A lot of eyes were opened and myths shattered in '68.
Tet exploded the myth of "winning" in Vietnam. The Democratic convention did the same for the myth of "democracy". And, the assassinations of RFK/MLK sunk the notion of a civilized society in 'murka.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 07:23 PM
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27. Truly,...
...I started to hope again when Bill clinton won.

In spite of the 8 year temper tantrum of the right, he was a teriffic president.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 07:42 PM
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28. It's an excellent film. I saw it in Palm Springs this weekend.
There was a lot of sobbing going on. I think it is a beautiful film that honors RFK. I hope you can see it.
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-27-06 08:13 PM
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29. No riots in NYC after King was murdered.....
Liberal Republican (later Dem) John Lindsay was mayor and went immediately to Harlem and out into other predominantly African American communities in NYC. Don't know what else did it or if was mostly that, but he was credited with keeping the city calm.

Mom & Dad were on the train with RFK's body. (long story) Their descriptions were incredible, particularly Mom's. Dad was pretty quiet about the whole thing -- I think it really hit him hard. Mom was just dumbstruck as the train moved along and she witnessed the thousands of people standing along the tracks waving, crying, saluting, praying, etc. I was used to Mom being pretty tough and jaded by then in our lives. Not so when she described that trip.

We all lost a lot of innocence after the murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK.
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